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Olympics: Future HHOFs on Team Canada's roster

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Among the players, who won a gold medal today, who do you think will end up in the hall of fame?

Crosby and St-Louis seem like locks. Toews is close to a lock with his two cups and his two gold medals!

Who else?

Weber? Bergeron? Doughty? Getzlaf? Perry?
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Kunitz: No.
Crosby: Yes.
Bergeron: No.
Getzlaf: Maybe.
Perry: Maybe.
Marleau: No.
Benn: No.
Carter: No.
Toews: Probably.
Sharp: No.
St. Louis: Likely.
Tavares: Difficult to say.
Nash: No.
Stamkos: Maybe.
Keith: Maybe.
Weber: No.
Doughty: Not sure.
Pietrangelo: Difficult to say.
Bouwmeester: No.
Hamhuis: No.
Vlasic: No.
Subban: Probably not.
Luongo: No.
Price: Hard to say.
Smith: No.
 
TOML said:
Kunitz: No.
Crosby: Yes.
Bergeron: No.
Getzlaf: Maybe.
Perry: Maybe.
Marleau: No.
Benn: No.
Carter: No.
Toews: Probably.
Sharp: No.
St. Louis: Likely.
Tavares: Difficult to say.
Nash: No.
Stamkos: Maybe.
Keith: Maybe.
Weber: No.
Doughty: Not sure.
Pietrangelo: Difficult to say.
Bouwmeester: No.
Hamhuis: No.
Vlasic: No.
Subban: Probably not.
Luongo: No.
Price: Hard to say.
Smith: No.
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Roberto Luongo may make the HHOF. He will likely be in 13th place all-time for wins by the end of this season, and is currently only 113 wins away from 3rd overall.
 
TOML said:
Kunitz: No.
Crosby: Yes.
Bergeron: No.
Getzlaf: Maybe.
Perry: Maybe.
Marleau: No.
Benn: No.
Carter: No.
Toews: Probably.
Sharp: No.
St. Louis: Likely.
Tavares: Difficult to say.
Nash: No.
Stamkos: Maybe.
Keith: Maybe.
Weber: No.
Doughty: Not sure.
Pietrangelo: Difficult to say.
Bouwmeester: No.
Hamhuis: No.
Vlasic: No.
Subban: Probably not.
Luongo: No.
Price: Hard to say.
Smith: No.
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Really? You don't think some of these guys will make it in the future? I think Weber and Keith have an excellent chance. Some of the younger guys like Stamkos, Pietrangelo, Doughty, and Tavares might be hard to say now but in the "looking really good aspect."
 
TOML said:
Kunitz: No.
Crosby: Yes.
Bergeron: No.
Getzlaf: Maybe.
Perry: Maybe.
Marleau: No.
Benn: No.
Carter: No.
Toews: Probably.
Sharp: No.
St. Louis: Likely.
Tavares: Difficult to say. -- Would change to maybe. Already proven to be one of the best in the world. Still improving
Nash: No.
Stamkos: Maybe.
Keith: Maybe.
Weber: No. -- I would change to maybe. The best overall Canadian defenseman of his era
Doughty: Not sure.
Pietrangelo: Difficult to say.
Bouwmeester: No.
Hamhuis: No.
Vlasic: No.
Subban: Probably not. -- Would change to maybe. Will compete for more Norris's.
Luongo: No. -- I think Luongo gets in. At some point standard for goalies will have to drop.
Price: Hard to say.
Smith: No.
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I would change a couple guys to maybe. But your right that Crosby is the only real lock at this point. St Louis will get in though, because he has definitely had a major impact on the sport in terms of representing beating the odds
 
Hard to say for the majority of the roster. But ill take a guess.

Kunitz: No.
Crosby: Yes.
Bergeron: Yes
Getzlaf: Yes
Perry: Yes
Marleau: No.
Benn: Yes
Carter: No.
Toews: Yes
Sharp: No
St. Louis: Yes
Tavares: Yes
Nash: No.
Keith: Yes
Weber: Yes
Doughty: Yes
Pietrangelo: Yes
Bouwmeester: No.
Hamhuis: No.
Vlasic: No.
Subban: No.
Luongo: Yes
Price: No.
Smith: No

Just a guess, which was difficult to do when most of them are still fairly young.
 
Crosby is the only virtual 100% lock, with Toews and St. Louis close behind. I'd be shocked if those two weren't in. However, there are quite a few other players who will have a very good chance (Stamkos, Doughty, Weber, Keith, Tavares, Luongo, etc.).
 
My predictions are based off of projections that a normal hockey mind should be able to see (for example you'd have thought Joe Sakic is a future HHOFer in 1996 right?)


Price - Long ways to go, on the right path though
Luongo - Yes
Smith - No

Weber - Yes
Keith - Yes
Doughty - Yes (I was laughed at a lot when I suggested this even in 2010 for the future)
Subban - Yes, on the right path
Pietrangelo - Too young to tell
Vlasic - No
Bouwmeester - No
Hamhuis - No

Crosby - Yes
Toews - Yes
Tavares - Yes
Getzlaf - Yes
Perry - Yes
St. Louis - Yes
Carter - Doubt it
Benn - Doubt it, but very young
Bergeron - Maybe, still time but needs some work
Kunitz - No
Sharp - No
Marleau - No
Duchene - Too young, but maybe leaning to no
Nash - No

I have 11 players that I am pretty certain are going to get in there. The 1976 Canada Cup team has 17, and I think 2002 had 12 with the likes of Lindros and Fleury still up in the air. 1 goalie, 4 defensemen, 6 forwards for 2014. Other than Bergeron or a surprisingly elite career from Duchene or Benn then there won't be more forwards. Price and Pietrangelo are the ones that look like potential ones but need more work. And for those wondering why I picked Subban keep in mind he won a Norris when he was 23-24 years old and there are only two Norris trophy winners that are not in the HHOF that are eligible. I think Subban will be fine. Keith, Doughty and Weber. Oh yeah, try and find a way they'll stay out.
 
Crosby - Lock
Toews - Lock
Tavares - Too early to tell
Getzlaf - Yes
Perry - Yes
St. Louis - Lock
Carter - No
Benn - Too early to tell
Bergeron - No
Kunitz - No
Sharp - No
Marleau - No
Duchene - Too early to tell
Nash - No

Weber - Yes
Keith - Yes
Doughty - Yes
Subban - Too early to tell
Pietrangelo - Too early to tell
Vlasic - No
Bouwmeester - No
Hamhuis - No

Price - If he wins a cup, yes
Luongo - If he wins a cup, yes
Smith - No
 
MSL with a cup, a hart, 2 scoring titles, world cup and now olympic gold...and looks like he will make 1000 pts some time early next year at this pace. Hes gonna make it.
 
My issue with using Vezina's to determine HHOF qualifications is that we are seeing more and more goalies have one hot season, an anomaly, before regressing. E.g Bobrovsky last year, Kipper in 2005 / 06, Bishop possibly this year.

For example, IMO the best goalie of the post-lockout generation has been Henrik Lundqvist, and he only has 1 Vezina, and even that year he could have lost to Quick, but age and experience probably played a factor with the voters.

Point is Luongo is a guy who has been one of the elite goalies in the NHL for years. Longevity definitely matters and he has it.
 
FlyersFanz said:
Bergeron, Perry, Toews, Bouwmeester, Doughy, Tavares and Getzlaf. Crosby and StLouis are a lock
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How are players like Bouwmeester, Doughty and Tavares a lock?.....They have A LOT of hockey left to be played and many things can change. For all we know, they could significantly drop in their level of play. Bouwmeester and Tavares are definitely not locks at all.
 
AimForTopCheddar said:
How are players like Bouwmeester, Doughty and Tavares a lock?.....They have A LOT of hockey left to be played and many things can change. For all we know, they could significantly drop in their level of play. Bouwmeester and Tavares are definitely not locks at all.
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There's a period between Getzlaf and Crosby.

Pretty sure he's saying that Crosby and St. Louis are the locks, the rest are likely.
 
Locks:
Crosby
St. Louis


Most likely:
Luongo
Toews

No Chance:
Carter
Sharp
Bouwmeester
Hamhuis
Bergeron
Kunitz
Nash
Smith
Vlasic


Everyone else is to hard to predict
 
Bergeron will really need to pick up the pace in order to be a hall of famer. He is almost 29 and has only had one 30 goal season and his high point total I believe has been 73. Also due to his injuries I don 't see him still playing in his late 30's. He only has 471 points in his career. He will have to improve his offensive stats just to reach 800. Marleau has a much better chance, he will most likely end up with over 500 goals and 1000 points.
 
I think many of you are underrating the impact that the media, particularly in Canada, has on the HHOF. Crosby and St. Louis are obviously locks. Toews being a part of two cups and gold medals plus a Selke and Conn Smythe, all while being probably the second most prominent Canadian player in terms of Canadian media, is a lock as long as he remains healthy. Getzlaf and Perry have a Stanley Cup and each has played a big role in gold medals. Perry even has a Hart (weak) while Getzlaf is widely regarded as the better player. Both have a shot depending on how they age. Tavares is very young, but he's off to a great start. The media also loves him. I think a dark horse is Bergeron. He will end up regarded as the best defensive forward of his generation, right or wrong, and is a proven performer in the Olympics and Stanley Cup. The others will be hard pressed, though Duchene could someday improve to that level.

Weber is nearly a lock. He will retire as Nashville's most prominent player by far (it's probably worth something) and has two first team all star selcetions. He has been a big part of both Canadian golds, and has the novelty of his great shot. Doughty is going to end up revered for his international performances, has been the number one defenceman on a Stanley Cup team, and has decent odds at winning a Norris someday. Keith has won a Norris, will probably win a second, and had two Conn Smyhe worthy playoffs. He's nearly a lock. Subban and Pietrangelo haven't played enough to really project, but Subban already has a Norris and benefits from playing in Montreal. Pietrangelo looks like he could develop into one of the best defencemen in hockey and has a chance. Vlasic, Hamhuis and Bouwmeester have little shot.

Luongo will end up in the HHOF in my opinion. He will have gaudy career numbers, and some of his best seasons were definitely Vezina worthy. He will be an interesting debate. Price will need to win some hardware, but being the goaltender in Montreal affords him an opportunity to get more media attention than almost anyone else.
 
I've been saying for a long time that Perry is a lock

He has won virtually everything there is to win in hockey.
 
Surprised everyone has said a hard "no" to Marleau. He could still end up top-40 all-time in both goals and points depending on how long he plays - he certainly isn't slowing down yet and he's had great luck with his health. I'm not saying that makes him a lock or even close to it, but considering 3 or 4 guys get in every year I'd have to think he could get lucky depending on the year. Of course, the media perception of SJ as perennial chokers doesn't help either.
 
JeremyTB said:
Bergeron will really need to pick up the pace in order to be a hall of famer. He is almost 29 and has only had one 30 goal season and his high point total I believe has been 73. Also due to his injuries I don 't see him still playing in his late 30's. He only has 471 points in his career. He will have to improve his offensive stats just to reach 800. Marleau has a much better chance, he will most likely end up with over 500 goals and 1000 points.
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And how are they compared in playoffs? Stanley Cups? Major awards?

Bergeron will finish his career and have the respect of the writers and voters in his pocket to support his admission. He'll have a lot of hardware (WJC, Stanley Cup, Olympic Gold x2,) and possibly more.
 
vBurmi said:
Surprised everyone has said a hard "no" to Marleau. He could still end up top-40 all-time in both goals and points depending on how long he plays - he certainly isn't slowing down yet and he's had great luck with his health. I'm not saying that makes him a lock or even close to it, but considering 3 or 4 guys get in every year I'd have to think he could get lucky depending on the year. Of course, the media perception of SJ as perennial chokers doesn't help either.
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He has peaked at 4th and 6th in goals. Was never in the top 10 in points. Is sort of like that all purpose player that you'd like on your team. However for some reason he's gotten off the hook for the Sharks playoff failures while Thornton hasn't.

Always a very good player. Never a great player. Maybe Vincent Damphousse-type of career is a good comparison. You'd like to see him with more than 0.74 PPG in his career as well. Considering he's 34 years old he isn't going to add things to his career that will make up for the rest of his career in order to get into the HHOF.

Coach Parker said:
And how are they compared in playoffs? Stanley Cups? Major awards?

Bergeron will finish his career and have the respect of the writers and voters in his pocket to support his admission. He'll have a lot of hardware (WJC, Stanley Cup, Olympic Gold x2,) and possibly more.
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Bergeron is Jonathan Toews-lite. He does everything well. He was born to win. He has two excellent playoff runs both times reaching the final with one Cup win. His strength will be his Selke trophy wins. He has one in 2012 and will be a perennial contender for a long time. Like Toews he is a guy whose stats do not reflect how good he really is. A really elite season will help his cause but the honest truth is there aren't a lot of players in the NHL that I'd trade Bergeron away just to get.
 
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