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This sounds like the type of player profile the Sens scouts like:
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PlayOn said:
Staios said on TSN 1200 he doesn’t see a scenario where we trade up but could see us trading down to get an extra pick.
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That's my ideal outcome

One of those drafts where I really don't think there is a difference between a guy I'd be fine taking at 21 and a guy I'd be fine taking at 50.

Cole McKinney? Would be a reach, but I don't see much difference between him and Malcom Spence or William Horcoff or Cullen Porter

Same can be said for guys like Rybakan, West, Schmidt, Lee, etc.
 
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BondraTime said:
That's my ideal outcome

One of those drafts where I really don't think there is a difference between a guy I'd be fine taking at 21 and a guy I'd be fine taking at 50.

Cole McKinney? Would be a reach, but I don't see much difference between him and Malcom Spence or William Horcoff or Cullen Porter

Same can be said for guys like Rybakan, West, Schmidt, Lee, etc.
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Options looking at the draft order would seem to be:

Chicago - 25th and 62nd
Nashville - 26th and 55th
San Jose - 30th and 53rd (get our own pick back). They also have pick 33 but that seems too high.
Philadelphia - 31st and 40th or 48th
Calgary - 32nd and 54th
 
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Lots of teams will be looking to trade down .. the return will be hard to negotiate .. especially a 21 for something in the 20s and something else... like I said yesterday unless a team loves a player at 21 and initiates the deal

Also I have seen this from Lebrun as well.. teams looking for help now... the more teams wanting to move picks for players reduces the value of the picks.

Sens may have few options to move the pick for something attractive... maybe they have to look at a 2nd and a 3rd for 21
Maybe something like Chicago at 34 and 66 might be as good as we can get
 
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So many historically bad drafts looked good before they happened, and vice versa. Like how much stock should we all be putting in these pre-draft projections.
 
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Lots of teams will be looking to trade down .. the return will be hard to negotiate .. especially a 21 for something in the 20s and something else... like I said yesterday unless a team loves a player at 21 and initiates the deal

Also I have seen this from Lebrun as well.. teams looking for help now... the more teams wanting to move picks for players reduces the value of the picks.

Sens may have few options to move the pick for something attractive... maybe they have to look at a 2nd and a 3rd for 21
Maybe something like Chicago at 34 and 66 might be as good as we can get
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There are quite a few teams behind us who do have a lot of picks. I thought this was an interesting take from LA’s director of scouting:

Mark Yannetti, the Kings Director of Amateur Scouting, made clear what his preferences are for this season. He’d like to move down in the draft and isn’t shy about disclosing that.

“I would like to move down,” Yannetti said. “If you look at movement scenarios, like moving from 24 to 25, you’re very limited in your movement scenarios at 24 it just there’s multiple things that don’t make sense. Ones that make sense might be San Jose and Philadelphia especially would make sense. You can have too many draft picks, people are starting to realize that I think. It used to be that more is better but you’re starting to see log jams, you’re starting to see it. The good news is, if you pick successfully and you pick the right players, well now they can’t all play and now you lose guys. It happened to us and we didn’t even have – you’re seeing teams with four first-round picks, three first-round picks, multiple years in a row. It doesn’t work in that you’re going to lose a lot of high-level players and you’re going to make wrong decisions on who to keep because of sample size. I think teams are starting to see that.”
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BondraTime said:
That's my ideal outcome

One of those drafts where I really don't think there is a difference between a guy I'd be fine taking at 21 and a guy I'd be fine taking at 50.

Cole McKinney? Would be a reach, but I don't see much difference between him and Malcom Spence or William Horcoff or Cullen Porter

Same can be said for guys like Rybakan, West, Schmidt, Lee, etc.
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If I had more faith in this scouting staff I'd say stick at 21 and take the best guy who's fallen to them, because somebody relatively high on their list will likely make it to 21.

Unfortunately, I think a product of the "unique" lists they come up with, which seem to be completely detached from consensus, is that it'll rarely seem like a good idea to trade down. If some guy who they have ranked 7th on their list is there at 21, of course they're going to want to stick and pick. Notwithstanding the fact that that player might be 35th on Bob's list and there's a decent chance they'd still be around if they traded down a few spots.
 


If it falls like Button suggests in his Mock draft it would not be so bad to have that as your list to pick from. I do think there are some good players below 32 here as well

Hensler 20
Carbonneau 21
Nesbitt 22
Gastrin 23
Fiddler 24
Zonnon 25
 
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Sens of Anarchy said:


If it falls like Button suggests in his Mock draft it would not be so bad to have that as your list to pick from. I do think there are some good players below 32 here as well

Hensler 20
Carbonneau 21
Nesbitt 22
Gastrin 23
Fiddler 24
Zonnon 25
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I’d be thrilled with Carbonneau. He’s a guy I have closer to 10 than 20 in this class
 
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They have the Habs at 16,17 taking Nestrasil and Ryker Lee ... both ranked in the 2nd round in Bob's list. Both should be on the Sens list at 21 imo.

They have Aitcheson (13OA on Bob's list) falling to 21 and we take him .. imo he's gone there

They have Vansaghi going 22 .. mid 2nd on Bob's list but.. I definitely would not mind him being our pick.. not the swing for skill but if they want someone to play sooner than later he could be the guy.

One comment I agree with is once this gets past 15 its wide open from there.
 
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Sens of Anarchy said:
He would definitely be a Sens pick if he was not Russian playing in Russia.. They may surprise us
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This draft has a lot of guys in that late first, early second range who fit the big, physical and raw profile that the Sens tend to like. I'd be pretty surprised if they went for the Russian when there's alternatives like Vansaghi, Horcoff and Nestrasil who played in North America.

Vansaghi, in particular, strikes me as someone they'd love. He's like a Tyler Boucher mulligan.
 
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This draft has a lot of guys in that late first, early second range who fit the big, physical and raw profile that the Sens tend to like. I'd be pretty surprised if they went for the Russian when there's alternatives like Vansaghi, Horcoff and Nestrasil who played in North America.

Vansaghi, in particular, strikes me as someone they'd love. He's like a Tyler Boucher mulligan.
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I can’t see them making another pick like that.

They obviously have a very clear bias, but even they can see that they have objectively not drafted a legit skilled forward since 2020
 
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BondraTime said:
I can’t see them making another pick like that.

They obviously have a very clear bias, but even they can see that they have objectively not drafted a legit skilled forward since 2020
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Boyd talks a lot about "checking the boxes". They'll say they want guys who check the box for skill, for IQ, and on down the list. I worry that what this process ends up doing is eliminating most of the prospects we think of as skilled players because of the boxes they can't check (e.g. Reschny and Kindel don't check the size box, Ryker Lee doesn't check the skating box). Unless you're picking at the very top of the draft, it leads to taking guys who "have some skill" (i.e. there's enough there to check that box), but are more solid across the board types.

With a guy like Vansaghi, I can picture Boyd after the draft saying he "has some skill" (which I think is true), but also he's big, physical, he competes and he can "get around the rink okay". Basically, he'll sufficiently check the boxes.

There are exceptions, like in the case of Eliasson where I don't think he checks all the boxes but he has a particularly high-end trait (violence). But I can't remember the last time they made that kind of exception when the high-end trait was skill or offensive upside.
 
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