NHL Entry Draft Future Draft Watch
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EK was great, but he didn’t do it alone. Several players were great to get that team as far as they did.
I did say EK light, and Hughes has been good, but then again, the success has been limited, and the first round doesn’t have the toughest competition.
He’s a great player, but he’s no EK in his prime, and I personally wouldn’t want to build my team around him.
No player ever does it alone. That's an impossible bar.
Not wanting to build a team around someone is a fair point. Throwing out a "he'll be easily neutralized in the playoffs" is another thing all together.
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It's very interesting watching the over/under lines moving for guys leading up to the draft.
Lot's of stuff going on in the backgrounds
Lot's of stuff going on in the backgrounds
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I don't know what, if anything, to make of that stuff. Maybe I'm naive, but do the line makers really have any better information than those in the public who follow the draft really closely? I'm imaging some data scientist in Vegas whose job is really just to cruise HFBoards until Bob's list comes out.
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The case to keep our pick in 2025
With 'prodigious talent and boundless potential,' Matthew Schaefer tops McKenzie's NHL Draft Ranking | TSN
If, as expected, Matthew Schaefer is taken No. 1 overall by the Islanders, it will be unprecedented. That is, no No. 1 pick will have ever played so few games in his draft year as Schaefer.
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With 'prodigious talent and boundless potential,' Matthew Schaefer tops McKenzie's NHL Draft Ranking | TSN
If, as expected, Matthew Schaefer is taken No. 1 overall by the Islanders, it will be unprecedented. That is, no No. 1 pick will have ever played so few games in his draft year as Schaefer.
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“The quality of the player you get between 11 and 20 may not be that different than the player you get between 20 and 30 or even 30 to 40,” said a scout. “I really like the top 10 to maybe 15, but after that it’s a whole lot of average.”
Added another: “When you have no idea who gets selected from about 20 to 60, or in what order, and even the 10 to 30 order looks like it’s all over the place, well, that says to me it’s a below-average group. Lots of support players and foot soldiers, who are important to have, but very few difference-makers and generals who move the needle in a big way.”
Shouldn't expect to much with theb guy were grabbing, nice depth piece would be a win
If we don't have an almost sure fire assurance we will be keeping a 1st next year, it's a very strange (but understandable) decision to keep 21st
Nesbitt at 17 hopefully means he's off the board when we pick. Not a fan of his upside. Same goes for Horcoff.
Other than position, not sure what scouts are seeing ranking them far above Nestrasil, who in my estimation has more offensive potential than either guy.
Lakovic may end up being available at 21. He's got flaws but has clear top 6 scoring upside. Not sure how our scouts would view him though. He's soft for his size and his PIM totals are Lady Byng-esque.
Hopefully Spence and Fiddler dropping puts them out of consideration for us. Could be decent depth players but would be a mediocre investment using the 21st pick.
There's a lot of guys projected to be available in the 2nd that are perfect fits for what our scouts look for in a player. Wouldn't shock me if we moved down in the 1st to pick up an extra 2nd to grab a guy like Gard, Czata, Wang, Bedkowski, Genborg, etc...
Other than position, not sure what scouts are seeing ranking them far above Nestrasil, who in my estimation has more offensive potential than either guy.
Lakovic may end up being available at 21. He's got flaws but has clear top 6 scoring upside. Not sure how our scouts would view him though. He's soft for his size and his PIM totals are Lady Byng-esque.
Hopefully Spence and Fiddler dropping puts them out of consideration for us. Could be decent depth players but would be a mediocre investment using the 21st pick.
There's a lot of guys projected to be available in the 2nd that are perfect fits for what our scouts look for in a player. Wouldn't shock me if we moved down in the 1st to pick up an extra 2nd to grab a guy like Gard, Czata, Wang, Bedkowski, Genborg, etc...
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With 'prodigious talent and boundless potential,' Matthew Schaefer tops McKenzie's NHL Draft Ranking | TSN
If, as expected, Matthew Schaefer is taken No. 1 overall by the Islanders, it will be unprecedented. That is, no No. 1 pick will have ever played so few games in his draft year as Schaefer.
“The quality of the player you get between 11 and 20 may not be that different than the player you get between 20 and 30 or even 30 to 40,” said a scout. “I really like the top 10 to maybe 15, but after that it’s a whole lot of average.”
Added another: “When you have no idea who gets selected from about 20 to 60, or in what order, and even the 10 to 30 order looks like it’s all over the place, well, that says to me it’s a below-average group. Lots of support players and foot soldiers, who are important to have, but very few difference-makers and generals who move the needle in a big way.”
Shouldn't expect to much with theb guy were grabbing, nice depth piece would be a win
If we don't have an almost sure fire assurance we will be keeping a 1st next year, it's a very strange (but understandable) decision to keep 21st
I thought this was an interesting note, as well, "Prospects between Nos. 33 and 46 may well be interchangeable with the players ranked in the top 32, most notably those in the 26-32 range."
BondraTime
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Absolutely, I feel like I "usually" have a pretty good head around the drafts, and a lot of the stuff I see is interesting both in "that's completely insane" and "ok, that is making sense"
I usually wade in to find guys who are criminally rated where it hasn't picked up yet. Last year Sennecke's o/u was set at 11.5 two weeks before the draft, which was absolutely free money.
This year, there isn't much. There are guys like Mrtka and Atichson who are ranked in the 11-13 range, who are the types who almost always get over drafted. But there are no real absolute homer lines that you can essentially safely put money down.
In only put money down on 1 bet so far, that was a while ago with Ryker Lee to go in the 1st round at +450. I think those are the bets I will be making this year, guys who are expected by Vegas to go outside the 1st at good odds. Think there are going to be like 6/76 guys taken from 18-31 who are guys ranked lower.
Lee's line literally dropped to +220 from +320 since the McKenzie list came out
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I think Nesbitt and Lakovic will both be gone. I could see one of the smaller C's drop . I think Spence and Fiddler are both decent bets for our scouts
Moving down to pick up a 2nd could be a popular thought for those 20+
There will be lots of movement on this list late 1st to mid 2nd round
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I expect that as well.
With Montreal and Columbus both having multiple picks in the 14-20 range, and both teams being stacked with talent at forward, I suspect they'd be willing to take a chance on a big man like Nesbitt developing a scoring touch or Lakovic improving his intensity.
Nestrasil could be an option for them too. Don't think he'll go nearly as low as 39. Sounds like he's going to Chicago at 25 at the latest.
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Will Horcoff is the sens pick. just ticks all the boxes.
-NHL bloodline
-Big rangy athletic kid (6'5)
-Specializes as a two way C guy, bottom 6 projection.
-Plays in the NTDP and NCAA program
-late bloomer with his size.
-NHL bloodline
-Big rangy athletic kid (6'5)
-Specializes as a two way C guy, bottom 6 projection.
-Plays in the NTDP and NCAA program
-late bloomer with his size.
It's terrifying that all of this checks out and you could be right.
I assumed that teams would be smart enough to not pick Horcoff 1st round based off of the small sample size of half a season in the NCAA after showing nothing offensively with the USNTDP the last two years, but Bob's list says differently.
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This could be the yr they trade down & Nashville with the 26th pick seems like they could be a decent partner to trade down with & acquire one of their two 2nd rd picks.
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If they go that route I'd like to see them get a 2026 2nd rather than one this year. That would give them two 2nds next year and opens the possibility of using those to move up into the 1st round if they wanted.
Hughes is a better puck moving defender that is great on D than Brady Tkachuk is a premier power forward.
Hughes is at worst the 3rd best defenceman in the league, he goes #1 overall in 2018 easily.
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Because you trade down from, for example, 21 to 26 (still 1st round) and get an asset for doing so. Typically in that range it would be a 2nd round pick.
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To me it's pretty close between Hughes and Dahlin. Dahlin sure looks like the closest thing to a Hedman clone that is out there while Hughes has a lot of EK in his makeup (without the value of being a RD).
I might take Hedman's career over EK's.
They kept the pick to give them another year to try to push Bettman to lessen the penalty.
The choice to trade up or down from #21 is completely separate.
If someone wants our first-round pick so we can have an additional couple of second-round picks, I'd be open to that. We need the top 6 forward prospects as soon as possible, but whoever we draft at 21 isn't going to be helping us out anytime soon.
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