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Post-Game Talk: FULL VIDEO - Jacobs, Neely and Sweeney - 4/23/25

Hearing a few mixed things on STHs, but I suspect you're pretty much right. The fanbase and ticket sales can easily sustain one bad season. I'd be shocked if it were otherwise, especially with hockey being an indoor sport with a limited crowd capacity. But two bad years, three - I wonder where the threshold is for when sales and attendances would take a significant dive?

It's always been interesting to me that the Jacobs have said they don't believe the Boston market could cope with a full rebuild. I can see arguments for and against that. Reality is one day that theory will be tested. It does mean even the owners have a certain skepticism about their own customers. But for now, it's one down year, it happens. We just have to hope they get the bounce back right.
One year fine. More than that, and I expect the fan base to revolt. They know what's going on. They don't like it. And they're not going to pay through the nose for it. The patience level is not about icing a Stanley Cup contending club. It's about being yanked around by guys who don't know what the f*ck they're doing. Or ownership that doesn't give a f*ck what they're doing.

They can say what they want. They don't care about the fans. They care about revenue and that's it.

F*ck 'em. I've had enough.

In the newspaper business, the old bromide is that for every reader who writes a letter to the editor, 10 more feel the same way but don't bother. It would not surprise in the least if that is the ratio in this case.
 
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I suppose that's the biggest gaff this management team has made, impacting the team more than anything else. Losing your #1 and #2 centres at the same time, and not having suitable heirs. How much foresight do you need to see that coming? And then they're so desperate to get a #1 centre, they have to overpay in the UFA market.

Makes me wonder how other teams got their #1C. It'd be interesting to see a list of every team's #1C and how they attained them – draft and develop / UFA / trade.
I can almost guarantee that the majority of clubs have home grown centers. Number one number two number three whatever.

Especially number one. Centers do not grow on trees and as we have seen, it is not easy to pick them off the free agent tree. You have to develop them yourself. They have not done that.

It's so strange. The level of incompetence alongside a certain kind of competence is really weird to me. And again, it gets back to this very insular, very conservative, very touchy, I guess is the word management team. How long has Scott Bradley been there? How long has Dennis Bonvie been there?

It's a joke.

The condescension emanating from the executive suites on causeway Street is astonishing. Donny knows best. Cam knows best. Charlie says they know best. I have full faith in both of them. Again, a complete joke. I can't stand anyone in that stupid front office.

Speech to text. I'm sure you can tell. I'm too lazy and pissed off right now to bother composing a proper post. This alongside a kind of apathy and acquiescence to the fact that these clowns are going to be in charge for the foreseeable future.

Sick of it all.
 
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I don't know if it's meddling or ineptitude but Charlie is such an extremely poor speaker it's hard to know.

After a cringeworthy show of apologizing to the fans for missing the playoffs this year he then went on to talk about how we were going to be right back in. Even when someone asked about if missing another year would be acceptable, he said "we can be patient" but then immediately said "but Cam and Don said we'd be back in next year".

They talked a lot about "narratives". That means they KNOW that one of the narratives is that Papa Jacobs wants a Cup but ultimately cares more about consistent playoff revenue year over year than anything else. Is that true??? Who knows for sure.

But perfect opportunity to put it to rest if it's not.

"We are disappointed in the results this season. But in the end, we knew this team was unlikely to be a real Cup contender so we made some difficult decisions at the TDL. Decisions that are aimed at bolstering our picks and prospects -- something we mortgaged in recent years in an attempt to go for it all. Our goal is, was, and will continue to be winning a Cup. Playoff hockey is important to fans and players for a host of reasons but it is not the end game. The Cup is the end game. So to answer your question -- if we miss the playoffs again next year but that comes as part of a careful and proactive plan to put this team into position to compete for the Cup again then so be it. Make no mistake though, our expectations are high. We expect progress in our players, coaching staff, and management. If we believe substantial steps aren't being taken to get us to our ultimate goal, then there will be repercussions."

Doesn't even matter if it's true or not. You have to say that Charlie. If not, it appears that you are meddling, you simpleton.

God if he's not thick, he sure as hell comes across as dense as a slab of ipe wood.
Again, how is he meddling? What exactly is he doing to meddle in the hockey operations of the team beyond what any owner is justified in doing?
 
Makes me wonder how other teams got their #1C. It'd be interesting to see a list of every team's #1C and how they attained them – draft and develop / UFA / trade.
Luckily for you I dont want to get any work done today. Its tricky to rate some players because of career year highs like Strome in WSH vs big down years like Petterson. Also really young players like Cooley and Bedard are definitely going to be high end 1Cs, even if they aren't right now. They way I see it outside of a handful of players, almost every true 1C was drafted in the top 15.

Top 10 All Time Potential
EDM: McDavid - Draft - 1st OVA - All Timer
PIT: Crosby - Draft - 1st OVA - All Timer

Franchise Player Tier
TOR: Matthews - Draft - 1st OVA - Franchise
COL: Mackinnon - Draft - 1st OVA - Franchise
NJD: Hughes - Draft - 1st OVA - Franchise

True 1C Tier
TBL: Point - Draft - 3rd Round
VEG: Eichel - Trade - 2nd OVA
OTT: Stutzle - Draft - 3rd OVA
WPG: Scheifele - Draft - 7th OVA
VAN: Pettersson - Draft - 5th OVA
BUF: Thompson - Trade - 26th OVA
FLA: Barkov - Draft - 2nd OVA
SJS: Celibrini - Draft - 1st OVA
LAK: Kopitar - Draft - 11th OVA
WAS: Dylan Strome - UFA - 3rd OVA
DAL: Hintz - Draft - 2nd Round
STL: Thomas - Draft - 20th OVA
DET: Larkin - Draft - 15th OVA
CAR: Aho - Draft - 2nd Round
CHI: Bedard - Draft - 1st OVA
MTL: Suzuki - Draft - 13th OVA
CAL: Kadri - UFA - 7th OVA

High End 2C
CBJ: Monahan - UFA - 6th OVA - 1/2C
UTA: Cooley - Draft - 3rd OVA - 1/2C

True 2C Tier
ANA: Carlsson - Draft - 2nd OVA - 2C
BOS: Lindholm - UFA - 5th OVA - 2C
SEA: Beniers - Draft - 2nd OVA - 2C
PHI: Couturier - Draft - 8th OVA - 2C
MIN: Eriksson Ek - Draft - 20th OVA - 2C
NYR: Trocheck - UFA - 3rd Round - 2C
NSH: O'Reilly - UFA - 2nd Round - 2C
NYI: Horvat - Trade - 9th OVA - 2C
 
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It’s been posted many times. Getting a true 1C without picking very high in the draft is very rare.
It has? Maybe I missed it. I don't recall ever seeing such a list.

You're probably right, but it would still be interesting to see the data. I mean, we signed Lindholm as a UFA, who is apparently our #1 now. Bergeron, we drafted. If Zacha was our #1 last season, we was a trade. Marc Savard was a UFA.

Brain-flash! I'll ask AI!
Can't vouch for the accuracy.

Here's a list of the first-line centers for all current NHL teams and how each team acquired them:

Anaheim Ducks: Mason McTavish - 2021 NHL Entry Draft (3rd overall)

Arizona Coyotes: Barrett Hayton - 2018 NHL Entry Draft (5th overall)

Boston Bruins: Pavel Zacha - Trade with New Jersey Devils (July 2022)

Buffalo Sabres: Tage Thompson - Trade with St. Louis Blues (July 2018, part of Ryan O'Reilly deal)

Calgary Flames: Nazem Kadri - Free agent signing (August 2022)

Carolina Hurricanes: Sebastian Aho - 2015 NHL Entry Draft (35th overall)

Chicago Blackhawks: Connor Bedard - 2023 NHL Entry Draft (1st overall)

Colorado Avalanche: Nathan MacKinnon - 2013 NHL Entry Draft (1st overall)

Columbus Blue Jackets: Sean Monahan - Free agent signing (July 2024)

Dallas Stars: Roope Hintz - 2015 NHL Entry Draft (49th overall)

Detroit Red Wings: Dylan Larkin - 2014 NHL Entry Draft (15th overall)

Edmonton Oilers: Connor McDavid - 2015 NHL Entry Draft (1st overall)

Florida Panthers: Aleksander Barkov - 2013 NHL Entry Draft (2nd overall)

Los Angeles Kings: Anze Kopitar - 2005 NHL Entry Draft (11th overall)

Minnesota Wild: Joel Eriksson Ek - 2015 NHL Entry Draft (20th overall)

Montreal Canadiens: Nick Suzuki - Trade with Vegas Golden Knights (September 2018, part of Max Pacioretty deal)

Nashville Predators: Ryan O'Reilly - Free agent signing (July 2023)

New Jersey Devils: Jack Hughes - 2019 NHL Entry Draft (1st overall)

New York Islanders: Bo Horvat - Trade with Vancouver Canucks (January 2023)

New York Rangers: Mika Zibanejad - Trade with Ottawa Senators (July 2016)

Ottawa Senators: Tim Stützle - 2020 NHL Entry Draft (3rd overall)

Philadelphia Flyers: Sean Couturier - 2011 NHL Entry Draft (8th overall)

Pittsburgh Penguins: Sidney Crosby - 2005 NHL Entry Draft (1st overall)

San Jose Sharks: Macklin Celebrini - 2024 NHL Entry Draft (1st overall)

Seattle Kraken: Matty Beniers - 2021 NHL Entry Draft (2nd overall)

St. Louis Blues: Robert Thomas - 2017 NHL Entry Draft (20th overall)

Tampa Bay Lightning: Brayden Point - 2014 NHL Entry Draft (79th overall)

Toronto Maple Leafs: Auston Matthews - 2016 NHL Entry Draft (1st overall)

Vancouver Canucks: Elias Pettersson - 2017 NHL Entry Draft (5th overall)

Vegas Golden Knights: Jack Eichel - Trade with Buffalo Sabres (November 2021)

Washington Capitals: Dylan Strome - Free agent signing (July 2022)

Winnipeg Jets: Mark Scheifele - 2011 NHL Entry Draft (7th overall)

Interesting. About 2/3 drafted, 1/3 trade or UFA.
 
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Again, how is he meddling? What exactly is he doing to meddle in the hockey operations of the team beyond what any owner is justified in doing?
He’s not making it clear that the Cup means more than the playoffs. If that’s true, simple solution. Say it. Clearly and unequivocally to management and the fans.

Sweeney and Neely are accountable to him. Make it clear that the Cup is their only objective.

You answer me now. Why does he refuse to do that? He’s the one in total control.
 
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It has? Maybe I missed it. I don't recall ever seeing such a list.

You're probably right, but it would still be interesting to see the data. I mean, we signed Lindholm as a UFA, who is apparently our #1 now. Bergeron, we drafted. If Zacha was our #1 last season, we was a trade. Marc Savard was a UFA.

Brain-flash! I'll ask AI!
Can't vouch for the accuracy.

Here's a list of the first-line centers for all current NHL teams and how each team acquired them:

Anaheim Ducks: Mason McTavish - 2021 NHL Entry Draft (3rd overall)

Arizona Coyotes: Barrett Hayton - 2018 NHL Entry Draft (5th overall)

Boston Bruins: Pavel Zacha - Trade with New Jersey Devils (July 2022)

Buffalo Sabres: Tage Thompson - Trade with St. Louis Blues (July 2018, part of Ryan O'Reilly deal)

Calgary Flames: Nazem Kadri - Free agent signing (August 2022)

Carolina Hurricanes: Sebastian Aho - 2015 NHL Entry Draft (35th overall)

Chicago Blackhawks: Connor Bedard - 2023 NHL Entry Draft (1st overall)

Colorado Avalanche: Nathan MacKinnon - 2013 NHL Entry Draft (1st overall)

Columbus Blue Jackets: Sean Monahan - Free agent signing (July 2024)

Dallas Stars: Roope Hintz - 2015 NHL Entry Draft (49th overall)

Detroit Red Wings: Dylan Larkin - 2014 NHL Entry Draft (15th overall)

Edmonton Oilers: Connor McDavid - 2015 NHL Entry Draft (1st overall)

Florida Panthers: Aleksander Barkov - 2013 NHL Entry Draft (2nd overall)

Los Angeles Kings: Anze Kopitar - 2005 NHL Entry Draft (11th overall)

Minnesota Wild: Joel Eriksson Ek - 2015 NHL Entry Draft (20th overall)

Montreal Canadiens: Nick Suzuki - Trade with Vegas Golden Knights (September 2018, part of Max Pacioretty deal)

Nashville Predators: Ryan O'Reilly - Free agent signing (July 2023)

New Jersey Devils: Jack Hughes - 2019 NHL Entry Draft (1st overall)

New York Islanders: Bo Horvat - Trade with Vancouver Canucks (January 2023)

New York Rangers: Mika Zibanejad - Trade with Ottawa Senators (July 2016)

Ottawa Senators: Tim Stützle - 2020 NHL Entry Draft (3rd overall)

Philadelphia Flyers: Sean Couturier - 2011 NHL Entry Draft (8th overall)

Pittsburgh Penguins: Sidney Crosby - 2005 NHL Entry Draft (1st overall)

San Jose Sharks: Macklin Celebrini - 2024 NHL Entry Draft (1st overall)

Seattle Kraken: Matty Beniers - 2021 NHL Entry Draft (2nd overall)

St. Louis Blues: Robert Thomas - 2017 NHL Entry Draft (20th overall)

Tampa Bay Lightning: Brayden Point - 2014 NHL Entry Draft (79th overall)

Toronto Maple Leafs: Auston Matthews - 2016 NHL Entry Draft (1st overall)

Vancouver Canucks: Elias Pettersson - 2017 NHL Entry Draft (5th overall)

Vegas Golden Knights: Jack Eichel - Trade with Buffalo Sabres (November 2021)

Washington Capitals: Dylan Strome - Free agent signing (July 2022)

Winnipeg Jets: Mark Scheifele - 2011 NHL Entry Draft (7th overall)

Interesting. About 2/3 drafted, 1/3 trade or UFA.
How about vast majority of the real #1 Centers come via draft?

A few extremely good #1 Centers acquired via trade - expensive trades at that.

A small handful (4) of so called “#1 Centers” that are only so because they are on teams with poor center depth.

Strome, Monihan, Kadri, O’Reilly.

Think players of that last four (at this stage of career in O’Reillys case) are guys to build a Cup team around? I don’t.
 
He’s not making it clear that the Cup means more than the playoffs. If that’s true, simple solution. Say it. Clearly and unequivocally to management and the fans.

Sweeney and Neely are accountable to him. Make it clear that the Cup is their only objective.

You answer me now. Why does he refuse to do that? He’s the one in total control.
Meddling means interfering.
 
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How about vast majority of the real #1 Centers come via draft?

A few extremely good #1 Centers acquired via trade - expensive trades at that.

A small handful (4) of so called “#1 Centers” that are only so because they are on teams with poor center depth.

Strome, Monihan, Kadri, O’Reilly.

Think players of that last four (at this stage of career in O’Reillys case) are guys to build a Cup team around? I don’t.
I would agree that most of them come via draft.
Some fairly significant ones that arrived via trade, though. Eichel, Thompson, O'Reilly, Suzuki, Horvat.
 
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He’s not making it clear that the Cup means more than the playoffs. If that’s true, simple solution. Say it. Clearly and unequivocally to management and the fans.

Sweeney and Neely are accountable to him. Make it clear that the Cup is their only objective.

You answer me now. Why does he refuse to do that? He’s the one in total control.

The Cup does mean more than the playoffs. That's a fact, indisputable. Why would he have to say it?
 
Luckily for you I dont want to get any work done today. Its tricky to rate some players because of career year highs like Strome in WSH vs big down years like Petterson. Also really young players like Cooley and Bedard are definitely going to be high end 1Cs, even if they aren't right now. They way I see it outside of a handful of players, almost every true 1C was drafted in the top 15.

Top 10 All Time Potential
EDM: McDavid - Draft - 1st OVA - All Timer
PIT: Crosby - Draft - 1st OVA - All Timer

Franchise Player Tier
TOR: Matthews - Draft - 1st OVA - Franchise
COL: Mackinnon - Draft - 1st OVA - Franchise
NJD: Hughes - Draft - 1st OVA - Franchise

True 1C Tier
TBL: Point - Draft - 3rd Round
VEG: Eichel - Trade - 2nd OVA
OTT: Stutzle - Draft - 3rd OVA
WPG: Scheifele - Draft - 7th OVA
VAN: Pettersson - Draft - 5th OVA
BUF: Thompson - Trade - 26th OVA
FLA: Barkov - Draft - 2nd OVA
SJS: Celibrini - Draft - 1st OVA
LAK: Kopitar - Draft - 11th OVA
WAS: Dylan Strome - UFA - 3rd OVA
DAL: Hintz - Draft - 2nd Round
STL: Thomas - Draft - 20th OVA
DET: Larkin - Draft - 15th OVA
CAR: Aho - Draft - 2nd Round
CHI: Bedard - Draft - 1st OVA
MTL: Suzuki - Draft - 13th OVA
CAL: Kadri - UFA - 7th OVA

High End 2C
CBJ: Monahan - UFA - 6th OVA - 1/2C
UTA: Cooley - Draft - 3rd OVA - 1/2C

True 2C Tier
ANA: Carlsson - Draft - 2nd OVA - 2C
BOS: Lindholm - UFA - 5th OVA - 2C
SEA: Beniers - Draft - 2nd OVA - 2C
PHI: Couturier - Draft - 8th OVA - 2C
MIN: Eriksson Ek - Draft - 20th OVA - 2C
NYR: Trocheck - UFA - 3rd Round - 2C
NSH: O'Reilly - UFA - 2nd Round - 2C
NYI: Horvat - Trade - 9th OVA - 2C

20 of the 32 were drafted in the top 15. 16 of those in the top 5.

Only 3 out of 32 have been acquired by trade. All 3 first rounders.

Only 5 out of 32 drafted after the first round.

17 drafted by their team in the top 10.

5 acquired through free agency, 3 of those in top 6.

So, they come early in the draft and usually don't get moved. Shouldn't be hard to figure out why it's been difficult for the Bruins to come up with a top line center.
 
The Cup does mean more than the playoffs. That's a fact, indisputable. Why would he have to say it?
First off because both he and Neely were defensive about “narratives” out here - specifically about drafting and development. And seemed to want address same.

But they KNOW one of the other narratives out there is that Ownership may or may not accept missing playoff revenue. Have to be 100% tone deaf not too feel that concern from fans.

Yes, they let them sell this year. You’d have to have to be a fool to ignore the need for that. But. Charlie was talking about competing for the Cup next season.

And when he was pushed by a reporter to consider the scenario where we miss again next year he did say he’d be “patient” but in the very same sentence qualified that with “but Cam and Donny” said we wouldn’t.

I want you to completely overhaul the business and it’s critical to be the the best company in the world (I.e, Cup winner) but be damn sure you are profitable while you do it.

Messaging is easy. For Charlie not so much. No idea what the Jacob’s want exactly. Sure hope Neely and Sweeney do.
 
20 of the 32 were drafted in the top 15. 16 of those in the top 5.

Only 3 out of 32 have been acquired by trade. All 3 first rounders.

Only 5 out of 32 drafted after the first round.

17 drafted by their team in the top 10.

5 acquired through free agency, 3 of those in top 6.

So, they come early in the draft and usually don't get moved. Shouldn't be hard to figure out why it's been difficult for the Bruins to come up with a top line center.

The Bruins unearthing two 1Cs in consecutive years in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in 2003 & 04 is one of the great miracles of NHL drafting. They won a Cup out of it, which of course was good, but striking that much gold up the middle really should have netted them more. Not to be. Exceptional and incredibly rare drafting success all the same for a position normally dominated by high 1sts.

Also why I disagree with the 'pick best player available' argument in regards to the Bruins this year. I really really want them to get a center, both because they desperately need one, and they're so hard to get by any other means.
 
One year fine. More than that, and I expect the fan base to revolt. They know what's going on. They don't like it. And they're not going to pay through the nose for it. The patience level is not about icing a Stanley Cup contending club. It's about being yanked around by guys who don't know what the f*ck they're doing. Or ownership that doesn't give a f*ck what they're doing.

They can say what they want. They don't care about the fans. They care about revenue and that's it.

F*ck 'em. I've had enough.

In the newspaper business, the old bromide is that for every reader who writes a letter to the editor, 10 more feel the same way but don't bother. It would not surprise in the least if that is the ratio in this case.

I don't think the general mood amongst the wider fanbase is quite that negative or angry. What I would say is this - the Jacobs have run the franchise essentially the same way for half a century now. Their methods are well known, like them or not. But it's one thing to tolerate their negative aspects while the team is competitive and entertaining, quite another when they are struggling. Stuff that's otherwise just put up with may be much less so in less favorable times.

But I think we're a fair way yet from finding out whether there's any sort of real tipping point. Can only see what next season brings.
 
I don't think the general mood amongst the wider fanbase is quite that negative or angry. What I would say is this - the Jacobs have run the franchise essentially the same way for half a century now. Their methods are well known, like them or not. But it's one thing to tolerate their negative aspects while the team is competitive and entertaining, quite another when they are struggling. Stuff that's otherwise just put up with may be much less so in less favorable times.

But I think we're a fair way yet from finding out whether there's any sort of real tipping point. Can only see what next season brings.
We'll see.
 
The Bruins unearthing two 1Cs in consecutive years in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in 2003 & 04 is one of the great miracles of NHL drafting. They won a Cup out of it, which of course was good, but striking that much gold up the middle really should have netted them more. Not to be. Exceptional and incredibly rare drafting success all the same for a position normally dominated by high 1sts.

Also why I disagree with the 'pick best player available' argument in regards to the Bruins this year. I really really want them to get a center, both because they desperately need one, and they're so hard to get by any other means.
Yup. This team needs a franchise centre asap.
 
I can almost guarantee that the majority of clubs have home grown centers. Number one number two number three whatever. Especially number one. Centers do not grow on trees and as we have seen, it is not easy to pick them off the free agent tree. You have to develop them yourself. They have not done that.
It's so strange. The level of incompetence alongside a certain kind of competence is really weird to me. And again, it gets back to this very insular, very conservative, very touchy, I guess is the word management team. How long has Scott Bradley been there? How long has Dennis Bonvie been there?

It's a joke.

The condescension emanating from the executive suites on causeway Street is astonishing. Donny knows best. Cam knows best. Charlie says they know best. I have full faith in both of them. Again, a complete joke. I can't stand anyone in that stupid front office.

Speech to text. I'm sure you can tell. I'm too lazy and pissed off right now to bother composing a proper post. This alongside a kind of apathy and acquiescence to the fact that these clowns are going to be in charge for the foreseeable future.

Sick of it all.

Now you've crossed the line......
 
The Bruins unearthing two 1Cs in consecutive years in the 2nd and 3rd rounds in 2003 & 04 is one of the great miracles of NHL drafting. They won a Cup out of it, which of course was good, but striking that much gold up the middle really should have netted them more. Not to be. Exceptional and incredibly rare drafting success all the same for a position normally dominated by high 1sts.

Also why I disagree with the 'pick best player available' argument in regards to the Bruins this year. I really really want them to get a center, both because they desperately need one, and they're so hard to get by any other means.

Actually, both Bergeron and Krejci were 2nd round picks.

But it's a good lesson in the crap shoot that is the draft.

In the 2003 draft, the Bruins traded back in the first round (from 17 to 21) and ended up with Mark Stuart. They could have had their choice of Zach Parise, Brent Burns or Ryan Getzlaf (17, 19 and 20). Cory Perry (28) and Ryan Kesler (23) also went after the Bruins in the first round. So, the scouts and the GM screwed up big time.

Same scouts and GM took Bergeron with pick 45. Brilliant!
 

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