GDT: FSC Presents: Canes at Leafs

[tarheelhockey]

With the emphasis on short shifts, Bowman should have known a change was coming up. They were at the upper-end of their shift.

Ok, but your complaint is that he didn't put a body on Lupul. He DID put a body on Lupul. Lupul then circled back and skated down the lane that Nash had vacated in order to change. Then Bowman, trailing the play, also went for a change.

I really don't see how Bowman is at fault for anything more than standing up a little and making a limp-wristed chop before he went to the bench. It's not like he had a prayer of stopping that rush without any kind of puck support from his center -- and as you said, the center was bound to be gone for his change at that point.

It seems to me you're blaming one guy for a completely circumstantial set of events on the back end of the scoring play, none of which had to do with the puck ending up in the net.

Yes, there were multiple culprits. You let a guy skate end-to-end like that at that stage, there sure are. Agreed on Corvo but Peters played a role too, as did the forwards.

Lupul doesn't skate end-to-end if Corvo skates backward at the level one would expect from an NHL defenseman. It's that simple. He got caught flat-footed and made a terrible transition (I was going to call it a pivot, but it doesn't even qualify as that) that absolutely any defenseman should be able to make.

I can't see any reasonable way you can portray it as a "team failure" when this:

turns into this:

 

[Ole Gil]

Skating backwards into the zone is a nice way for Skinner to appreciate that he's all by himself on almost all his rushes.

The problem with Skinner, in my opinion, is that he has no business being on the shutdown line. It doesn't make any sense. He's prone to turnovers and he's not good in his own zone. Why is he playing against the other teams best, often starting in the defensive zone.

What did people think would happen with this situation? Oh right, I remember. Jordan Staal's super amazing defense would be so good, that Jeff Skinner being the worst defensive player on the team wouldn't matter.

If they have offensive zone pressure, Skinner-Staal-Ruutu make a lot of sense. Everywhere else on the ice, it doesn't. And they spend most of their time everywhere else on the ice.

I think he should be moved to the 3rd line. Not as a demotion, just as a more effective place to play him.

 

[StormCast]

Ok, but your complaint is that he didn't put a body on Lupul. He DID put a body on Lupul. Lupul then circled back and skated down the lane that Nash had vacated in order to change. Then Bowman, trailing the play, also went for a change.

I really don't see how Bowman is at fault for anything more than standing up a little and making a limp-wristed chop before he went to the bench. It's not like he had a prayer of stopping that rush without any kind of puck support from his center -- and as you said, the center was bound to be gone for his change at that point.

It seems to me you're blaming one guy for a completely circumstantial set of events on the back end of the scoring play, none of which had to do with the puck ending up in the net.



Lupul doesn't skate end-to-end if Corvo skates backward at the level one would expect from an NHL defenseman. It's that simple. He got caught flat-footed and made a terrible transition (I was going to call it a pivot, but it doesn't even qualify as that) that absolutely any defenseman should be able to make.

I can't see any reasonable way you can portray it as a "team failure" when this:

turns into this:

He barely put a body on him along the boards and should have tried to do so again once he realized the middle of the ice was wide open and Lupul was gaining a head of steam. Once again, I'm not saying it's all his fault. But he read the play improperly, period. It might not have saved a goal but multiple mistakes were made on the play. The only one who is blameless on that sequence is Pitkanen.

 

[geehaad]

And to think all of this consternation over the line change (etc) could have been avoided (probably) had Peters just ever so slightly extended that paddle of his.

 

[tarheelhockey]

And to think all of this consternation over the line change (etc) could have been avoided (probably) had Peters just ever so slightly extended that paddle of his.

I bet he would have, if it hadn't developed so quickly out of thin air the way it did. But I don't really know if Peters uses the poke check much.

 

[StormCast]

And to think all of this consternation over the line change (etc) could have been avoided (probably) had Peters just ever so slightly extended that paddle of his.

Agreed he was too deep and too passive.

 

[bleedgreen]

You guys are going way too far on the analysis here. Lupul found a hole and took it, he was past corvo before he even got to him. I think most pro goalies try to poke lupul coming at such a hard angle but he didn't. It's over. It was a pretty brilliant play. I would focus on the other failures over this one. We thought the puck was deep enough to change. Bad call. Moving on.

 

[dammit100]

Agreed he was too deep and too passive.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I bet he would have, if it hadn't developed so quickly out of thin air the way it did. But I don't really know if Peters uses the poke check much.

That frame shows me what I assumed. Peters was so deep the puck was actually in his crease (probably the next frame). It's not to rag on Peters because he is what he is. I can tell you right now, if Cam Ward or probably even Ellis let a guy drag the puck across the entire blue paint I'd be really pissed off. There aren't a whole lot of guys in the AHL that can make that play happen with that kind of speed and control. I'd venture to guess most guys in the A wind up scoring their body more often than the puck when attempting a play like that at top speed.

 

[tarheelhockey]

That frame shows me what I assumed. Peters was so deep the puck was actually in his crease (probably the next frame). It's not to rag on Peters because he is what he is. I can tell you right now, if Cam Ward or probably even Ellis let a guy drag the puck across the entire blue paint I'd be really pissed off. There aren't a whole lot of guys in the AHL that can make that play happen with that kind of speed and control. I'd venture to guess most guys in the A wind up scoring their body more often than the puck when attempting a play like that at top speed.

Watching the overhead replay in motion again, you can actually see Peters start to stretch his paddle out as if he was going to try and poke the puck off of Lupul as he rounded the corner. And then had an "oh ****, this guy is coming right at me" moment and brought his stick back to protect against a direct shot on goal. Looks like he was expecting Lupul to try and slide it under him instead of going all the way around.

 

[Jerkob Slavin]

http://espn.go.com/nhl/team/stats/_/name/car/carolina-hurricanes

Exactly why are people still complaining about Eric Staal? Is tied for 7th in points not good enough for you people? Really would like to know how his much complained about "poor leadership" makes Skinner skate backwards into the zone every other possession, causes Corvo to go into pylon mode, puts a lid over the net whenever the 4th line is out, disables Brent and Joni's ability to keep the puck in the zone on the PP, stops Gleason from being noticed for anything other than a dumb look on his face on the bench, and tells McBain shooting into his own net is a good idea.

Can anyone help me figure that out?

I love him as a player. I just wish he wasn't captain. For a guy who self proclaims himself as a "leader by example," there are far too many instances where he looks disinterested and down-right lazy.

Even if he dogs it for only a couple of games per season (even one is unacceptable), keep in mind he is making about $98,000 per game.

 

[Lazyking]

I love him as a player. I just wish he wasn't captain. For a guy who self proclaims himself as a "leader by example," there are far too many instances where he looks disinterested and down-right lazy.

Even if he dogs it for only a couple of games per season (even one is unacceptable), keep in mind he is making about $98,000 per game.

For me it has nothing to do with being lazy. Yeah, it may be true but taking bad penalties, freaking out after a missed call is more damning and harmful to the team.

 

[NorthStar4Canes]

You guys are going way too far on the analysis here. Lupul found a hole and took it, he was past corvo before he even got to him. I think most pro goalies try to poke lupul coming at such a hard angle but he didn't. It's over. It was a pretty brilliant play. I would focus on the other failures over this one. We thought the puck was deep enough to change. Bad call. Moving on.

I was a brilliant play, and it should be noted that Lupul didn't score on Peters with his shot, he hit the post. He scored with brilliant stickwork on the rebound behind Peter's back and did it at speed. He had eyes, feet, and hands all working in an extra gear on that one.

 

[NorthStar4Canes]

I wonder what Semin was saying to Skinner as they were skating off after Semin's PP goal. Semin had drifted in holding the puck, picked his spot and using Tlusty ripped it past a set goalie in a great display of poise. 15 seconds earlier, Skinner had been in almost the very same spot on those hash marks and had a rebound off Staal's shot from the opposite side served right up to him but he tried to one-time it at the half-open net and missed the net entirely, shooting completely behind it. If anyone else's name had been on his back, for choking so badly there would have been a page of posts about how "That should never happen in the NHL!"

Anyway, it was a nice "How to do it vs. How not to do it" sequence all in one PP, with one extreme of badness to the other of goodness. Perhaps Semin was mentoring the young lad.

 

[donkshow]

Semin is a true leader!

 

[bleedgreen]

Semin was yelling at the ref not skinner. It was about the drop on the face off on the last play they set up in TO's end. Caught everyone off guard which lead to it getting cleared, I think. Anyway I saw a tweet about that's what he was pissed about. Nothing directed at skinner.

 

[NorthStar4Canes]

Semin was yelling at the ref not skinner. It was about the drop on the face off on the last play they set up in TO's end. Caught everyone off guard which lead to it getting cleared, I think. Anyway I saw a tweet about that's what he was pissed about. Nothing directed at skinner.

Don't know if this was in answer to my post, but I was referring to Semin talking (not yelling) to Skinner as they skated off after Semin's PP goal in the 2nd period. He looked like he was explaining something to him.

 

[Jerkob Slavin]

This loss falls squarely on my shoulders. During the second intermission I went to the kitchen for peanut butter toast. I got lazy and didn't feel like dragging out the toaster, so I took the easy route and had peanut butter ritz crackers instead.

Sorry guys.

 

[tarheelhockey]

This loss falls squarely on my shoulders. During the second intermission I went to the kitchen for peanut butter toast. I got lazy and didn't feel like dragging out the toaster, so I took the easy route and had peanut butter ritz crackers instead.

Sorry guys.

We just didn't get the spread we needed.

 

[bleedgreen]

Don't know if this was in answer to my post, but I was referring to Semin talking (not yelling) to Skinner as they skated off after Semin's PP goal in the 2nd period. He looked like he was explaining something to him.

My bad, I'm referring to the end of the game.

 

[Identity404]

My bad, I'm referring to the end of the game.

I don't know if your avatar is a reference to the teams play earlier in the season, but if so it's bothering me and you should probably change it to something like this:

 

[bleedgreen]

I just like the picture, screw the canes. It's not a reference to early play. I love pooches. No sale on the frog, brown lipstick is too goth for me.

 

[rocky7]

Don't know if this was in answer to my post, but I was referring to Semin talking (not yelling) to Skinner as they skated off after Semin's PP goal in the 2nd period. He looked like he was explaining something to him.

I get what you are referring to. The part about Alex yelling at Skinner was cleared up. When watching the highlights I noticed Alex talking to Skinner as well, and pointing after his PP goal when they were congratulating eachother. Your thoughts on it are probably right.

 

[Identity404]

I just like the picture, screw the canes. It's not a reference to early play. I love pooches. No sale on the frog, brown lipstick is too goth for me.

That's cool, I like the pic too. I just remember people posting that pic after wins earlier in the year and it makes me sad like goth frog.

 

[AD Skinner]

The goth frog is actually a character from a very funny comic called Boys Club. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17477
Very silly humor but good for a laugh