Kings Vision: FS West Feature - Prospect Profile: Zykov

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Fox Sports West profiles Kings' prospect Valentin Zykov who was drafted in the 2nd round in 2013.

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[donkozak]

Zykov Has To Play Another Junior Year!

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Fox Sports West profiles Kings' prospect Valentin Zykov who was drafted in the 2nd round in 2013.

Because Valentin Zykov was drafted out the CHL he has to play until he's 20 years old I believe. The female commentator mentioned that he's ticketed for Manchester for the 2-14-15 season.

 

[Reclamation Project]

A future franchise player.

 

[KingKopitar11*]

I want to know more about Prokhorkin.

That was a nice little segment.

 

[johnjm22]

I want to know more about Prokhorkin.

Concur. He's putting up impressive numbers in the KHL right now.

 

[goosh]

Because Valentin Zykov was drafted out the CHL he has to play until he's 20 years old I believe. The female commentator mentioned that he's ticketed for Manchester for the 2-14-15 season.

This is my understanding as well. I don't think he can play in Manchester next year.

 

[Scottkmlps]

Because Valentin Zykov was drafted out the CHL he has to play until he's 20 years old I believe. The female commentator mentioned that he's ticketed for Manchester for the 2-14-15 season.

Yup, either with the Kings or in juniors.

 

[donkozak]

Hope Zykov Doesn't Grow Disenchanted With CHL!

Yup, either with the Kings or in juniors.

Young players typically want to make to the "Show" right now!Hope that Valentin Zykov is like our gem of a D-man Slava Voynov and sticks it out. Personally I think Zykov has out grown junior hockey. Wish there was a league he could play in to further develop his talents other than junior, maybe the SEL. Would hate like hell to lose him to the KHL. Can see Zykov playing LW with Kopitar(C) and Gaborik playing his more natural position of RW.

 

[etherialone]

Kids a bum who is way overhyped.


Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Personally I think Zykov has out grown junior hockey. Wish there was a league he could play in to further develop his talents other than junior, maybe the SEL.

Zykov still has a lot to prove, he should dominate that league. He didnt have a single point against his own peers at the WJC, barely got any ice time for obvious reasons, and you say he has out grown junior hockey ?

But of course, he went back to his team with the instruction to work on his defence and to become more aware in every zone and has done exactly that.

That's why he barely got any ice time during that tourney, because he's so good in every zone !

sorry, I couldnt resist either.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Zykov still has a lot to prove, he should dominate that league. He didnt have a single point against his own peers at the WJC, barely got any ice time for obvious reasons, and you say he has out grown junior hockey ?

But of course, he went back to his team with the instruction to work on his defence and to become more aware in every zone and has done exactly that.

That's why he barely got any ice time during that tourney, because he's so good in every zone !

sorry, I couldnt resist either.

Please stop passing opinion off as fact. There are plenty that believe that was the wrong decision.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Please stop passing opinion off as fact. There are plenty that believe that was the wrong decision.

Yes we armchair GM's know more than real life hockey coaches, like Mikhail Varnakov.

 

[etherialone]

Yes we armchair GM's know more than real life hockey coaches, like Mikhail Varnakov.

Show me where Varnakov said that Zykov received less ice time due to his performance and not due to anything else. Also if Zykov was such a poor performer why was he chosen to be on the WJC team in the first place?

Here is what Varnakov actually said about Zykov's performance during the final game of the tournament "in the situation when they didn’t have time to play for it helped to find common language. Barbashev, Gorbunov and Zykov looked worthy". Here is a link, it is in english because I don't know if you speak or read russian. If you do let me know and I will provide you a link to the article in Varnakov's native tongue.

Here is what the asst coach Vyacheslev Ryanov had to say about Zykov at the tournament "his line (Zykov) player well. They were given to a defensive game and their job was good". Again it has been translated into english and it may not translate perfectly but it absolutely looks like both of his coaches think he did a good job while playing in a defencive roll.

Here is an article that is a preview of the WJC's where a reporter seems to disagree with your position as well "The CHL will be represented by Valentin Zykov (LAK) and 2014-eligible Ivan Barbashev. After a very successful 2012-13 campaign in the QMJHL, Zykov is again doing very well, so he’ll be required to provide some secondary scoring for Russia at this WJC. Barbashev will have pretty much the same role as Zykov and, just like Zykov, is having a good second QMJHL season with the Moncton Wildcats".

Here are some articles talking about Zykov's crummy season this year.

Feb 3, 2014 Zykov named the TELUS three stars of the week
Valentin Zykov were named today the TELUS three stars of the week.

Baie-Comeau Drakkar forward, Valentin Zykov is the second star of the week. In two games, Zykov collected 7 points, all assists and maintained a +/- of +5. First star of the game Thursday against the Sherbrooke Phoenix, Valentin had four assists in a 6-1 victory. The Los Angeles Kings’ pick now has 49 points in 36 games this season.


Here Zykov makes the Telus 3stars the second time in Feb 2014.
BOUCHERVILLE, Monday February 17th, 2014 - Olivier Archambault, Nikolaj Ehlers and Valentin Zykov were named today the TELUS three stars of the week for February 10 to February 16, 2014

The Baie-Comeau Drakkar forward, Valentin Zykov is the third star. In two games, Zykov got 6 points. Sunday against the Rouyn-Noranda Huskies, Zykov scored his 19th goal of the season and collected three assists in a 7-3 victory. Zykov now has 55 points in 42 games this season.


Poke around and you will find several more positive articles about VZ's play this season in the U.S. .CA and in Russian. His coach Éric Veilleux only has positive things to say about Zykov's development and how his overall game has taken a big step forward but then it seems like it doesn't matter what each of his coaches and the media have to say about Zykov, in your opinion he is nothing more than an average prospect who has been overhyped.

Oh and you do realize the thread that you are currently posting your opinions in is actually a thread that is started to showcase yet another positive article about Zykov's play, right?

It seems to me that you are alone in your opinion.

 

[Vino]

It seems to me that you are alone in your opinion.

Not alone. Zykov's performance at the WJC-tournament was not strong at all, just bearable. I was really dispointed. Next year in Canada he will be one of team's oldest players and I hope he shows why he is so highly rated here.

Playoffseries Baieu-Comeau vs. Shawinigan: Zykov 4 GP, 0+2=2, -1, 2 PIM. Is Zykov injured, because those numbers are well below his normal stats?

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Show me where Varnakov said that Zykov received less ice time due to his performance and not due to anything else. Also if Zykov was such a poor performer why was he chosen to be on the WJC team in the first place?

Here is what Varnakov actually said about Zykov's performance during the final game of the tournament "in the situation when they didn’t have time to play for it helped to find common language. Barbashev, Gorbunov and Zykov looked worthy". Here is a link, it is in english because I don't know if you speak or read russian. If you do let me know and I will provide you a link to the article in Varnakov's native tongue.

Here is what the asst coach Vyacheslev Ryanov had to say about Zykov at the tournament "his line (Zykov) player well. They were given to a defensive game and their job was good". Again it has been translated into english and it may not translate perfectly but it absolutely looks like both of his coaches think he did a good job while playing in a defencive roll.

Here is an article that is a preview of the WJC's where a reporter seems to disagree with your position as well "The CHL will be represented by Valentin Zykov (LAK) and 2014-eligible Ivan Barbashev. After a very successful 2012-13 campaign in the QMJHL, Zykov is again doing very well, so he’ll be required to provide some secondary scoring for Russia at this WJC. Barbashev will have pretty much the same role as Zykov and, just like Zykov, is having a good second QMJHL season with the Moncton Wildcats".

Here are some articles talking about Zykov's crummy season this year.

Feb 3, 2014 Zykov named the TELUS three stars of the week
Valentin Zykov were named today the TELUS three stars of the week.

Baie-Comeau Drakkar forward, Valentin Zykov is the second star of the week. In two games, Zykov collected 7 points, all assists and maintained a +/- of +5. First star of the game Thursday against the Sherbrooke Phoenix, Valentin had four assists in a 6-1 victory. The Los Angeles Kings’ pick now has 49 points in 36 games this season.


Here Zykov makes the Telus 3stars the second time in Feb 2014.
BOUCHERVILLE, Monday February 17th, 2014 - Olivier Archambault, Nikolaj Ehlers and Valentin Zykov were named today the TELUS three stars of the week for February 10 to February 16, 2014

The Baie-Comeau Drakkar forward, Valentin Zykov is the third star. In two games, Zykov got 6 points. Sunday against the Rouyn-Noranda Huskies, Zykov scored his 19th goal of the season and collected three assists in a 7-3 victory. Zykov now has 55 points in 42 games this season.


Poke around and you will find several more positive articles about VZ's play this season in the U.S. .CA and in Russian. His coach Éric Veilleux only has positive things to say about Zykov's development and how his overall game has taken a big step forward but then it seems like it doesn't matter what each of his coaches and the media have to say about Zykov, in your opinion he is nothing more than an average prospect who has been overhyped.

Oh and you do realize the thread that you are currently posting your opinions in is actually a thread that is started to showcase yet another positive article about Zykov's play, right?

It seems to me that you are alone in your opinion.

Laughable that you try to make a point by saying I'm alone in my opinion just because you disagree.

I keep saying, this player does not deserve the hype he is getting.

Seems to me its not allowed to share my view because its not a popular one. Right now, this is not a player people should be raving about but thats exactly what is happening.

Now I even read a comment that he has nothing to learn in juniors anymore. Now that's exactly something what I mean.

 

[King'sPawn]

Laughable that you try to make a point by saying I'm alone in my opinion just because you disagree.

I keep saying, this player does not deserve the hype he is getting.

Seems to me its not allowed to share my view because its not a popular one. Right now, this is not a player people should be raving about but thats exactly what is happening.

Now I even read a comment that he has nothing to learn in juniors anymore. Now that's exactly something what I mean.

I really didn't want to join in on this silly pissing match, which is a shame it spilled into a KingsVision thread. Do you (general you, not Frolov in particular) want to get a KingsVision thread locked?

First of all, there are few prospects, particularly top prospects in an organization who DON'T have someone saying there is nothing left to learn in juniors. That is one person's opinion, as is yours that he is overhyped.

Holden and I had a healthy disagreement about what Bartosak had to prove in juniors. It's a fun discussion when everyone plays nice.

I like reading the dissention and having opportunities to put in my two cents, since I have induced my newlywed wife into a drooling stare of late when I talk about prospects. Further, Brad Doty was emphatic in the earlier thread about wanting to allow everyone to voice opinions, so it's a bit extreme to say you can't have one. But you do have to be prepared to meet resistance if it's an unpopular one.

Truth be told, I agree with you that the enthusiasm has gone overboard. But I do think he is a solid prospect with good potential.

TG may have gone too far in saying you're alone, but the point is Zykov is getting recognized despite the dip in numbers. Nobody can argue that.

Now do we really have to perpetuate this and have the mods get the hoses on us? Or can we please just talk prospects, Zykov in this thread in particular?

 

[Frolov 6'3]

I still love you KP. That will never change. ;-)

 

[damacles1156]

I don't put too much stock in JR numbers, Lucic was a terrible JR hockey player.

As were other NHL players.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I really didn't want to join in on this silly pissing match, which is a shame it spilled into a KingsVision thread. Do you (general you, not Frolov in particular) want to get a KingsVision thread locked?

First of all, there are few prospects, particularly top prospects in an organization who DON'T have someone saying there is nothing left to learn in juniors. That is one person's opinion, as is yours that he is overhyped.

Holden and I had a healthy disagreement about what Bartosak had to prove in juniors. It's a fun discussion when everyone plays nice.

I like reading the dissention and having opportunities to put in my two cents, since I have induced my newlywed wife into a drooling stare of late when I talk about prospects. Further, Brad Doty was emphatic in the earlier thread about wanting to allow everyone to voice opinions, so it's a bit extreme to say you can't have one. But you do have to be prepared to meet resistance if it's an unpopular one.

Truth be told, I agree with you that the enthusiasm has gone overboard. But I do think he is a solid prospect with good potential.

TG may have gone too far in saying you're alone, but the point is Zykov is getting recognized despite the dip in numbers. Nobody can argue that.

Now do we really have to perpetuate this and have the mods get the hoses on us? Or can we please just talk prospects, Zykov in this thread in particular?

Mod hose would be great

Look, I'm all for disagreements, even vociferous ones, and even as I pointed out in the other thread, Frolov brings an important element to the discussion. There's nothing wrong with that. But there's a right and a wrong way to do it. Passing opinion off as fact, taking personal shots, those are the wrong way to do it. Disagreeing on playing evaluations, interpretations of stats and play, etc. that's all fine.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Laughable that you try to make a point by saying I'm alone in my opinion just because you disagree.

I keep saying, this player does not deserve the hype he is getting.

Seems to me its not allowed to share my view because its not a popular one. Right now, this is not a player people should be raving about but thats exactly what is happening.

Now I even read a comment that he has nothing to learn in juniors anymore. Now that's exactly something what I mean.

Give me a break. Stop being a martyr. Nothing you have said in regards to Zykov is being deleted. I have told you exactly why I have taken a line against some of your posts. End of discussion.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Give me a break. Stop being a martyr. Nothing you have said in regards to Zykov is being deleted. I have told you exactly why I have taken a line against some of your posts. End of discussion.

Where did I say anything have been deleted ?

Stop putting words in mouth, or just dont quote me. Everybody here as an opinion but for some reason you constantly quote me about the most ridiculous things.

Mod hose would be great

Look, I'm all for disagreements, even vociferous ones, and even as I pointed out in the other thread, Frolov brings an important element to the discussion. There's nothing wrong with that. But there's a right and a wrong way to do it. Passing opinion off as fact, taking personal shots, those are the wrong way to do it. Disagreeing on playing evaluations, interpretations of stats and play, etc. that's all fine.

Than I wonder why you did nothing when you read post #9. Calling me a martyr is not something to be proud of either.

I actually dont mind that, Brad, but at least be straight.

 

[Vino]

I don't put too much stock in JR numbers, Lucic was a terrible JR hockey player.

Really?

Milan Lucic Season 2006-2007: WHL Champion, Team's leading scorer (70 GP, 30+38=68), CHL Memorial Cup All-Star Team, CHL Memorial Cup Most Valuable Player "Stafford Smythe Trophy".

If that means, that guy is a terrible junior player, what is your definition of "an average junior hockey player" or "a good junior hockey player"?

 

[Frolov 6'3]

^^^indeed.

Lucic was also a big power forward with skill. His numbers were pretty bad when he was drafted, so he was picked in the 2nd round for a reason.

Exception to the rule.

 

[etherialone]

Yes we armchair GM's know more than real life hockey coaches, like Mikhail Varnakov.

You said "armchair GM's know more than real life hockey coaches like Mikhail Varnakov".

I posted where you are incorrect in your implication. That is what I meant in saying you are alone in your opinion. Additionally I stand by the way I am on these boards when people disagree with my position on prospects until they become personal attacks which is what you seem to feel the need to do whenever you respond to something I have posted. If I seemed to be doing the same to you in this discussion then let me say that I am sorry if that is what it seemed like because that isn't what I mean't/felt in my response.

You keep alleging that Zykov is over hyped and to quote you "an average prospect at best" and then claim that I over hype every one of our prospects. I have given you factual information that refutes your position. That is all I have done. If you think Zykov is a kitchen table it doesn't matter to me, I will disagree and move on. When you say that his coaches don't think he is anything special then you should be able to back that position up.

What I am saying is if it is simply you and I disagreeing to where a prospect is then that is great and as I have stated and shown many many times on these boards I not only respect it when people share differing opinions I encourage them to do so as I feel it is a critical part of why I chose to waste my time here as opposed to somewhere else.

If you read my post again I gave you several articles and a couple of interviews from Zykov's coaches where they have positive things to say about his progress and his development. I didn't cherry pick them, I searched for anything I could find on the kid and posted them. Your response had nothing to do with Zykov.

So my position in closing is not that we disagree about how a prospect is or isn't developing it is the manner in which you come at me personally as opposed to simply sharing your position on the kid.


For the rest of it I am done. My position on Zykov is that if he continues his developmental arch in the manner that he has shown to date and isn't derailed by injury or any other catastrophic event he has all of the tools to become a talented second line LW for the Kings in a few year. If that is overhyping him then I stand by it. Time will tell yet again how things turn out.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

You keep alleging that Zykov is over hyped and to quote you "an average prospect at best" and then claim that I over hype every one of our prospects. I have given you factual information that refutes your position. That is all I have done. If you think Zykov is a kitchen table it doesn't matter to me, I will disagree and move on. When you say that his coaches don't think he is anything special then you should be able to back that position up.

Coaches always say positive things about prospects. Like Al Bundy said: That absolutely means NOTHING, nothing. Nice and well, but they wont reveal what they are truly thinking with players that age.

I dont have to back-up anything. I watch, observe and then the statssheet is doing the rest.

As for personal attacks. I think everything was pretty civil. No idea where that came from. It seems we are getting pretty low standards around here.