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after, since the deadline deals are mostly made for the post-seasonIs this voted before or after playoffs?
If before, Sakic
If after, Lamoriello
You COULD say that.Think Toronto is regretting Lou go now?
What a mistake that was.
Can we get a worst gm in the league thread please?
The Islanders are good.
Lou is not. He shouldn’t win just because he has a successful team. His decision making as a GM has been horrible, except for hiring Trotz. Snow built the core of that team.
Pageau, Palmeri, Zajac, Greene, Varly are all Lou moves...while snow put down the foundation, Lou perfected it. Isles arent where they are today without Pageau, Palmeri, Greene, or Varly. Also very underrated move brining back Matt Martin to put the 4th line back together. Has Lou made questionable moves? sure but he also has put pieces on this team to take them to the next level...far from horrible as you say IMO.
I don’t doubt that those players have contributed in the short-term. But in the long term those are not good moves.
And we’ll see what’s the end result this year and upcoming years. If you make so many win now moves, it only comes out good if you win a cup. Sacrificing the future for middle of the roster players that were part of giving up assets/contracts that hurt the future of the team to get eliminated later on in a few playoffs isn’t a success, in my opinion.
Definitely hear what you're saying, but this is a win now team. These are the types of moves you have to make in order to take that next step and be true contenders for the cup. I think Lou has done a great job of getting guys that fit the isles system. Will the Isles have to reconfigure things in a few years, sure but ownership and the gm think this team can win it all this year. I think all the moves Lou has made backs that up but certainly see where you are coming from.
I understand that viewpoint, but I think the Islanders had some quality core pieces between Barzal, Pulock, Pelech, Toews, Dobson, Sorokin that could’ve been the base for the core of the team. They needed to add some more offense. I think you let that happen through drafting/developing and big trades/signings, not players like Palmieri, Pageau, Zajac. The Islanders were not that far away with a more conservative approach that has more upside. It extends the window longer, and it doesn’t rely so much on style of play winning the games. You already have a great coach that can win the tactical battle. If the Isles could also win the talent battle, they would have more ways to win.
Everyone knows that Lou doesn’t manage like that though. It could end up successful. I just don’t think it’s very high percentage. That doesn’t reflect on the team’s ability to win a cup this year or the next few, but I think it’s bad roster construction from a GM.
The Islanders are good.
Lou is not. He shouldn’t win just because he has a successful team. His decision making as a GM has been horrible, except for hiring Trotz. Snow built the core of that team.
This is the popular opinion among those who haven't payed too much attention to the Islanders.
The Islanders best line currently is here because of Lou (Palmieri/JPG/Zajac), both Goaltenders are here because of Lou. The "identity line" was made possible by Lou bringing back Martin. He changed the entire culture of this franchise from top to bottom.... and yes, Trotz wouldn't likely be here if it weren't for Lou.
They're in the Conference Finals for the second year in a row, and they got here without their Captain and best scorer. Not to mention Wahlstrom, who was drafted by Lou and is becoming a real scoring threat as a 21 year old rookie. That same draft, he snagged 21 year old Dobson who is currently among the leaders in D scoring this post season.
If the Islanders win the cup, Lou's fingerprints will be all over it.
Personally I would have taken Bergevin in Ottawa, and it's not a recent opinion. I'd like to see Ottawa's drafting/development + Bergevin asset management.
I had a post in February where I listed this :
But Bergevin trades were pretty much all good/great (except Drouin trade?) :
- Acquired Petry for a 2nd + 4th
- Acquired Danault + 2nd (Romanov) for Fleischmann + Weise
- Acquired Suzuki + Tatar + 2nd for Pacioretty
- Acquired Weber for Subban (move that was heavily criticized for 2-3 years but not anymore)
- Acquired Domi for Galchenyuk, then eventually Anderson for Domi + 3rd
- Acquired Armia + 4th + 7th for eating Steve Masons's cap dump for just 1 year
- Acquired Byron from waivers
- Acquired Kulak for Taormina (AHL player that ended up being done shortly after)
- Acquired Thompson + 5th for a 4th round pick, then eventually traded him for another 5th
- Acquired 2nd + 3rd for damaged goods Andrew Shaw
- Acquired Scandella for 4th, then flipped him a few weeks later for a 2nd and a 4th
- Acquired Allen for 3rd, then extended him for a reasonable 2 years at 2.875 (0.930+ SV % since last year)
- Acquired Edmundson for a 5th then signed him for a reasonable 4 years at 3.5 (leads NHL with +18)
- Signed Toffoli and Chiarot as a UFA
This is the popular opinion among those who haven't payed too much attention to the Islanders.
The Islanders best line currently is here because of Lou (Palmieri/JPG/Zajac), both Goaltenders are here because of Lou. The "identity line" was made possible by Lou bringing back Martin. He changed the entire culture of this franchise from top to bottom.... and yes, Trotz wouldn't likely be here if it weren't for Lou.
They're in the Conference Finals for the second year in a row, and they got here without their Captain and best scorer. Not to mention Wahlstrom, who was drafted by Lou and is becoming a real scoring threat as a 21 year old rookie. That same draft, he snagged 21 year old Dobson who is currently among the leaders in D scoring this post season.
If the Islanders win the cup, Lou's fingerprints will be all over it.
I agree his fingerprints are all over the team. But it goes both ways. If they don’t win the cup, he saddled them with bad contracts for middle of the league veterans and he stripped them of many futures. You could also argue the contracts caused Toews to be traded.
The point I was making is that Snow built the core. Lou built the secondary aspects of the roster.
As to the goalies and culture, I don’t buy it. Everywhere Trotz goes they have a winning culture and good goaltending.
Lou not far behind: Palmieri, Pageau are monsters in the playoffs so far.