Post-Game Talk: From Riches to Rags. Nucks lose 5-3

[Szechwan]

I’ve repeated it a 1000 times, but this feels like 06/07 into 07/08 all over again.

People back then were yapping about no blue chip prospects, no assets to acquire big names like Brad Richards, 27 year old Swedes who couldn’t carry a teams first line, a Jack Adam’s coach who can’t coach offense, and how we were letting down the guy playing at a Hart level all year long after we’d been so barren at the position for 10+ years.

Playoffs or no playoffs (which is really 5 extra games based on the current forward group and injuries), management has the opportunity to shape this teams’ future this offseason much like Gillis did back then. I still have faith - here’s to hoping.

Edit: Our old leader back then even went to go play for the NYR the year after too

Time is a flat circle

 

[TruGr1t]

I’ve repeated it a 1000 times, but this feels like 06/07 into 07/08 all over again.

People back then were yapping about no blue chip prospects, no assets to acquire big names like Brad Richards, 27 year old Swedes who couldn’t carry a teams first line, a Jack Adam’s coach who can’t coach offense, and how we were letting down the guy playing at a Hart level all year long after we’d been so barren at the position for 10+ years.

Playoffs or no playoffs (which is really 5 extra games based on the current forward group and injuries), management has the opportunity to shape this teams’ future this offseason much like Gillis did back then. I still have faith - here’s to hoping.

Edit: Our old leader back then even went to go play for the NYR the year after too

Seriously? That team had primetime, good for 60+ game, Roberto Luongo in net. I mean stop the comparison right there, they don't even make goalies like that anymore. But outside of that, the amount of shit that had to fall right in that situation (ie. rocketship development of numerous players mostly) is not replicable. Gillis also did not really add any top-shelf assets like a 1C or impact forwards. It was all work around the edges and the core did the rest itself. I don't see any comparison here.

 

[lawrence]

Devastating loss. Huge blow to the Canucks hopes for playoffs. This is bad. Sad to see. I wanted to see if petey play good enough to help secure a team a playoff spot.

 

[Grifter3511]

Beca

I’ve repeated it a 1000 times, but this feels like 06/07 into 07/08 all over again.

People back then were yapping about no blue chip prospects, no assets to acquire big names like Brad Richards, 27 year old Swedes who couldn’t carry a teams first line, a Jack Adam’s coach who can’t coach offense, and how we were letting down the guy playing at a Hart level all year long after we’d been so barren at the position for 10+ years.

Playoffs or no playoffs (which is really 5 extra games based on the current forward group and injuries), management has the opportunity to shape this teams’ future this offseason much like Gillis did back then. I still have faith - here’s to hoping.

Edit: Our old leader back then even went to go play for the NYR the year after too

Because Pettersson.....Boeser and Hoglander(?) = Henrik, Daniel and Burrows?
Chytil= Kesler?
Lankinen = Luongo?

Pettersson at his absolute peak I would argue could be better than Henrik. We have no other forward capable of hitting Daniel and Kesler heights. Our defense is our strongest point. Hughes is obviously better than any Dman we had back then and if all the current pieces hit it could be a similar 'whole is better than the individual parts' scenario + Hughes. Then there's Luongo vs Lankinen/quickly Schniedering Demko.

These situations aren't similar at all other than maybe on defense.

 

[Hughes Clues]

Beca
Because Pettersson.....Boeser and Hoglander(?) = Henrik, Daniel and Burrows?
Chytil= Kesler?
Lankinen = Luongo?

Pettersson at his absolute peak I would argue could be better than Henrik. We have no other forward capable of hitting Daniel and Kesler heights. Our defense is our strongest point. Hughes is obviously better than any Dman we had back then and if all the current pieces hit it could be a similar 'whole is better than the individual parts' scenario + Hughes. Then there's Luongo vs Lankinen/quickly Schniedering Demko.

These situations aren't similar at all other than maybe on defense.

I'm not the world's biggest AV fan but coaching was better then.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Beca
Because Pettersson.....Boeser and Hoglander(?) = Henrik, Daniel and Burrows?
Chytil= Kesler?
Lankinen = Luongo?

Pettersson at his absolute peak I would argue could be better than Henrik. We have no other forward capable of hitting Daniel and Kesler heights. Our defense is our strongest point. Hughes is obviously better than any Dman we had back then and if all the current pieces hit it could be a similar 'whole is better than the individual parts' scenario + Hughes. Then there's Luongo vs Lankinen/quickly Schniedering Demko.

These situations aren't similar at all other than maybe on defense.

Agree.

I was probably the biggest Canucks fan in the late 2000s. I followed our prospects including the Manitoba Moose at the time. You absolutely knew several players could take a massive leap forward.

You can draw loose comparisons but you have to be delusional to think we have legitimate impact forwards in our system. The answers will not come from within. JR and Allvin have to hope some other GM loses their mind and gives us a star player for peanuts or we somehow draft an NHL ready forward.

 

[VanJack]

Flames and Blues are pulling away.....I think there's a good chance they even get reeled in by Utah. The Canucks could end the season in the 10-12 range in the first round of the draft.

About the only silver lining left in a mostly miserable season.

 

[beachcomber]

I just dont understand why Vancouver is not a popular destination for UFA players, when is the last time a big name UFA wants to sign in Vancouver? We definitely signed the wrong jake, thats for sure.

- The ownership sucks.
- The travel sucks.
- Taxes suck.
- The media sucks, the place is a fishbowl for the players.
- It rains all the time.
- No dedicated practice facility.
- The traffic sucks.
- The real estate is ridiculously expensive.
- Drug addicts everywhere.
There is more of course but generally Vancouver can't compete with many of the US teams for the lifestyle and cost of living. I was born and raised in Vancouver and it was a nice city years ago, but I can certainly see why free agents would rather be somewhere else.

 

[Vector]

This loss kicked my ass.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

1st GA was a screened deflection.
2nd GA a point blank chance post and in.
3rd GA a tough defelction off Quinn's skate.
4th GA was another point blank slot shot.

Its hard to argue any of those should have been saves. Lankinen has made some miraculous saves this year so he was certainly capable of stopping one, but its not easy standing around with low shots against and then facing high danger chances.

Thank you.

So stupid to just look at the shot clock and say the loss was on goaltending.

 

[Kryten]

It’s tough… don’t really fault him on any of the goals but you would like him to stop 1. After hearing he was sick, I would not have started him.



The bulk of our fans just believe what the media says too easily. The media hated Gillis… and that was that.

The bulk of ______ just believe what the media says too easily. The media hated ______ and that was that.

 

[potatowejj]

Man this season just f*cking sucks.

 

[the big nobody]

Too good to get a decent first-round pick. Too bad to make the playoffs. This is our story.

 

[VanJack]

- The ownership sucks.
- The travel sucks.
- Taxes suck.
- The media sucks, the place is a fishbowl for the players.
- It rains all the time.
- No dedicated practice facility.
- The traffic sucks.
- The real estate is ridiculously expensive.
- Drug addicts everywhere.
There is more of course but generally Vancouver can't compete with many of the US teams for the lifestyle and cost of living. I was born and raised in Vancouver and it was a nice city years ago, but I can certainly see why free agents would rather be somewhere else.

LOL! If you think things are bad in Vancouver, you haven't been in L.A. Detroit, Washington, St. Louis or even Dallas recently-- where just south of town they'll soon be setting up migrant internment camps. Heck you don't even have go very far.....just down to Seattle where people are living under overpasses and needles are everywhere.

You take the problems in Vancouver-homelessness, drug addiction, traffic gridlock, gang violence and ridiculously priced housing and multiply them all by at least 10 in other NHL cities. In LA. County alone an estimated one million people are living on the streets. I can guarantee you they don't attend Ducks or Kings games.

If you ask the players, some guys love playing in Sunbelt States where the top earners pay next to nothing in taxes, and nobody knows their name five blocks away from the rink. And they can all live in a gated, millionaires community, miles from the downtown rink and all the inner-city problems.

But a lot more players love playing in a passionate hockey market like Vancouver--where people really care about their players and their team. Last off-season nine UFA's decided to sign in Vancouver, so it can't be that bad.

 

[Coffee]

Man this season just f*cking sucks.

Maybe

 

[PuckMunchkin]

It’s tough… don’t really fault him on any of the goals but you would like him to stop 1. After hearing he was sick, I would not have started him.

Why not?

You think we had a better option available than a tired and sick Lankinen, who let in 1 goal that he shouldnt have.

 

[racerjoe]

Why not?

You think we had a better option available than a tired and sick Lankinen, who let in 1 goal that he shouldnt have.

I think a healthy Lankinen has a puck hit him… or make a save on the fourth goal. You run with Silovs and maybe that happens.

Goaltending is so mental, and when you are sick it can kill your concentration.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I think a healthy Lankinen has a puck hit him… or make a save on the fourth goal. You run with Silovs and maybe that happens.

I dont think we get better goaltending from healthy Silovs than we did from Lankinen.

Goaltending is so mental, and when you are sick it can kill your concentration.

And I think this reaction to the goaltending performance is extremely emotional and not reflective of what actually took place on the ice.

 

[racerjoe]

I dont think we get better goaltending from healthy Silovs than we did from Lankinen.

And I think this reaction to the goaltending performance is extremely emotional and not reflective of what actually took place on the ice.

He was sick… he should not have played… I thought differently until I heard he was sick. It’s not emotional, it logical.goaltending isn’t like a player you can hide. Knowing he was sick I would not have played him.

 

[kanucks25]

1st GA was a screened deflection.
2nd GA a point blank chance post and in.
3rd GA a tough defelction off Quinn's skate.
4th GA was another point blank slot shot.

Its hard to argue any of those should have been saves. Lankinen has made some miraculous saves this year so he was certainly capable of stopping one, but its not easy standing around with low shots against and then facing high danger chances.

Thank you.

So stupid to just look at the shot clock and say the loss was on goaltending.

I'm a fan of what Lankinen has done this season but there is no doubt he needed to find a way to stop 1 of the 4.

Yes they were all great chances but you expect any legit starting goalie to make at least 1 grade A save per game. We didn't get that this game.

That said, considering he was questionable to play this game and already being overworked I'm not surprised we got a less than ideal performance from him here.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I'm a fan of what Lankinen has done this season but there is no doubt he needed to find a way to stop 1 of the 4.

Yes they were all great chances but you expect any legit starting goalie to make at least 1 grade A save per game. We didn't get that this game.

That said, considering he was questionable to play this game and already being overworked I'm not surprised we got a less than ideal performance from him here.

To me this makes no sense.

1st goal:

4 men screen + deflection.


2nd goal

Just horrific coverage by our team. There is no way you save this with the system Lankinen employs in this situation. In the post and in. From post integration to covering the shooter isnt going to happen. This is on defence.

3rd goal not even going to involve a picture. Puck bounces from Hughes' skate and in.

Then there is goal 4 that is a fantastic scoring chance from the slot but Lankinen could have saved.

 

[kanucks25]

To me this makes no sense.

1st goal:

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4 men screen + deflection.


2nd goal

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Just horrific coverage by our team. There is no way you save this with the system Lankinen employs in this situation. In the post and in. From post integration to covering the shooter isnt going to happen. This is on defence.

3rd goal not even going to involve a picture. Puck bounces from Hughes' skate and in.

Then there is goal 4 that is a fantastic scoring chance from the slot but Lankinen could have saved.

Every scoring chances against is the fault of the defence.

It's still the goalie's job to make difficult saves sometimes. We didn't even need many this game, just 1.

 

[AzNightmare]

And have to wonder if Demko is ever going to be able to play a full season again. Guy's good for maybe 20-30 games.

With all the injuries and showing up for 5 games before disappearing again,
NGL, I almost forgot he's still on this team.

 

[thecupismine]

Beca
Because Pettersson.....Boeser and Hoglander(?) = Henrik, Daniel and Burrows?
Chytil= Kesler?
Lankinen = Luongo?

Pettersson at his absolute peak I would argue could be better than Henrik. We have no other forward capable of hitting Daniel and Kesler heights. Our defense is our strongest point. Hughes is obviously better than any Dman we had back then and if all the current pieces hit it could be a similar 'whole is better than the individual parts' scenario + Hughes. Then there's Luongo vs Lankinen/quickly Schniedering Demko.

These situations aren't similar at all other than maybe on defense.

It's not the direct player comparisons I'm talking about, it was the narratives around the team. Both teams came off exceptional seasons, and were talking about contention before the year started, and now might not make the playoffs.

If you want to get technical, I was referring to Hughes/Luongo carrying the team and being mentioned as borderline Hart candidates in the first half of the season, the Swedes on the team being attacked in the media for not bringing enough offense (Petey/Hogs and the Sedins) and wondering if they'll ever be good enough to lead a contending team, injuries galore for top of the lineup guys, and Tocchet/Vigneault getting blamed for no offense & people calling for them getting fired after winning the Adams the year before.

People back then also said we had nothing in the system that could pop off, and that there was no hope after that season. A lot of veteran leadership team was purged after that year too (Naslund/Linden/Morisson), which has already started with Miller this year. This is where things are similar.

The following years proved that hypothesis wrong thanks to some exceptional development work. I'm not saying the following Canucks years will follow that trajectory - that would be silly without seeing what happens next, and involved some exceptional luck with Kesler/Burrows/Sedins continuing to evolve at a much later age than most.

I've just had this movie play out before, and am not going to be all doom & gloom about it when I've seen how it can turn around when things go right. If anyone wants to find reasons to be upset/hopeless, that's cool, there's 1000s of posts on this board alone that can feed that.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Every scoring chances against is the fault of the defence.

It's still the goalie's job to make difficult saves sometimes. We didn't even need many this game, just 1.

This is not a logical argument you are making.

So I wont try to debate it.