Post-Game Talk: From Riches to Rags. Nucks lose 5-3

[TruGr1t]

@TruGr1t
I mean if the backup is playing a starter load, it’s either the starter sucks or the starter is injured and in our case, it’s obvious that it’s because our starter is injured.
It makes no sense to blame management for essentially not having a backup for a backup.

Given the contract he is about to make, he's a 1B, really. But anyway, that doesn't change the fact that one of the main reasons they probably missed the playoffs was that they didn't have a single other goalie who was capable of playing an NHL game. Lankinen has consistently turned into Cloutier when overplayed. He has 80% of the team's wins and simply ran out of gas.

They decided not to fix this throughout the season despite Demko clearly being a massive bandaid. This is among the decisions that make me question how serious they actually were about playoffs at the deadline. Seems more of a shot in the dark, that is looking to work out fairly predictably.

 

[Canuckle1970]

And have to wonder if Demko is ever going to be able to play a full season again. Guy's good for maybe 20-30 games.

Yeah, feels like it will be a miracle to get the Demko we once had. Feel bad for him, as I understand he continues to work so hard to get back to playing again.

 

[Diogenes92]

4 goals on 11 shots. He has to save one of those, especially the last one.

1st GA was a screened deflection.
2nd GA a point blank chance post and in.
3rd GA a tough defelction off Quinn's skate.
4th GA was another point blank slot shot.

Its hard to argue any of those should have been saves. Lankinen has made some miraculous saves this year so he was certainly capable of stopping one, but its not easy standing around with low shots against and then facing high danger chances.

 

[kcunac]

And of course blues, flames, and the UHC all win. Not looking good.

At least my opponent in fantasy playoffs started lankinen tonight.

 

[thecupismine]

I’ve repeated it a 1000 times, but this feels like 06/07 into 07/08 all over again.

People back then were yapping about no blue chip prospects, no assets to acquire big names like Brad Richards, 27 year old Swedes who couldn’t carry a teams first line, a Jack Adam’s coach who can’t coach offense, and how we were letting down the guy playing at a Hart level all year long after we’d been so barren at the position for 10+ years.

Playoffs or no playoffs (which is really 5 extra games based on the current forward group and injuries), management has the opportunity to shape this teams’ future this offseason much like Gillis did back then. I still have faith - here’s to hoping.

Edit: Our old leader back then even went to go play for the NYR the year after too

 

[Svencouver]

Well, we had one good year bros

 

[arttk]

Given the contract he is about to make, he's a 1B, really. But anyway, that doesn't change the fact that one of the main reasons they probably missed the playoffs was that they didn't have a single other goalie who was capable of playing an NHL game. Lankinen has consistently turned into Cloutier when overplayed. He has 80% of the team's wins and simply ran out of gas.

They decided not to fix this throughout the season despite Demko clearly being a massive bandaid. This is among the decisions that make me question how serious they actually were about playoffs at the deadline. Seems more of a shot in the dark, that is looking to work out fairly predictably.

Demko was not a massive bandaid… Demko being THIS injured was not expected that all. Nobody projected Demko to miss basically the whole season at the beginning of the season.

What Lank makes next season has nothing to do with what he was signed for this season. He was signed to be a backup plan in case Demko doesn’t return in time for the start of the season and in case Silovs bombs. You are essentially complaining why we don’t have a backup plan for our backup plan which basically tells you how messed up our situation has been this season.

 

[Scumbag Frank]

Kiefer Sherwood is the biggest offender on this team (excluding the obvious Chytil and Hoglander) for being absolute piss at D zone coverage. Today's game being a blatant one with a -3 but it happens almost every game and no one talks about it.
How many times does he let his check go straight to the net unimpeded. Bad turnovers at the line failing to get the puck out. Clears rebounds right to the other team.
Misses easy ups from the D in the neutral zone causing an icing, where he then blows the icing faceoff coverage leading to a goal against. Fine at his salary as a 4th liner but super overrated in this market.

With Pettersson and Hoglander out, could see the team getting as high as the 12th pick when it's all done.

 

[Hodgy]

They were missing the playoffs even if Pettersson and Hoglander were healthy. I will have very little patience for that type of rhetoric out of management unless it pertains to Demko or Hughes.

I found the “young team” rhetoric at the deadline quite interesting. Some real Orwellian spin to suggest we’ve gone through a rebuild or something and need to be patient.

 

[Breakers]

All time “deserve to win” meter

11 shots surrendered LOLOLOL

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

I didn't watch it live but that one is on goaltending. There was 2 goals not at all Lankinen's fault... but good lord you must save that 4th goal. Inexcusable after really doing sweet f all during the game to not make that one save. Canucks getting problems with guys signing expensive contracts then turning into a lot of meh.

 

[lawrence]

Move on to the next one boys. Seems like each game we have a different guy fail us.

 

[ExarKun80]

This man has been vindicated. He is the last canuck GM to make the playoffs for consecutive seasons in the last 20 years. I don't think we'll see 5 consecutive seasons of making the playoffs for another 10 years. Dude got insane amount of hate from clueless idiots in the media and fandom.

 

[Diogenes92]

This man has been vindicated. He is the last canuck GM to make the playoffs for consecutive seasons in the last 20 years. I don't think we'll see 5 consectuive seasons of making the playoffs for another 10 years. Dude got insane ammount of hate from clueless idiots in the media and fandom.
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Pretty insane how quickly "fans" chanted: "Fire Gillis" compared to "Fire Benning".

Gillis basically had zero room for error while Benning had a free ride to suck for years.

 

[ExarKun80]

Pretty insane how quickly "fans" chanted: "Fire Gillis" compared to "Fire Benning".

Gillis basically had zero room for error while Benning had a free ride to suck for years.

The Aqua shills from the media were instigating the fans all year and shifted the blame on Gillis for everything. It started with the Luongo to Toronto nixed trade by Burkie and Aqua's refusal to rebuild in 2013. As much as i like Burkie for what he did in the early 2000's he was always envious on Gillis and tried to sabotge the canucks at every step at that time. While Mike was taking the canucks to the playoffs Burkie was doing nothing in Toronto.

 

[VanJack]

Pretty insane how quickly "fans" chanted: "Fire Gillis" compared to "Fire Benning".

Gillis basically had zero room for error while Benning had a free ride to suck for years.

Well Gillis inherited a stacked roster from the Burke-Nonis years. The Sedins, Edler, Luongo, Kesler, Bieksa, Schneider, and Burrows were already drafted, playing, traded for or were in the system.

Everybody knew Benning was inheriting an aging roster with almost nothing the pipeline. Hence Gillis was always going to be on a lot shorter rope.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Given the contract he is about to make, he's a 1B, really. But anyway, that doesn't change the fact that one of the main reasons they probably missed the playoffs was that they didn't have a single other goalie who was capable of playing an NHL game. Lankinen has consistently turned into Cloutier when overplayed. He has 80% of the team's wins and simply ran out of gas.

They decided not to fix this throughout the season despite Demko clearly being a massive bandaid. This is among the decisions that make me question how serious they actually were about playoffs at the deadline. Seems more of a shot in the dark, that is looking to work out fairly predictably.

They were serious enough to keep Boeser, Suter and Forbort for their run.

In fairness, I'm not sure management could have done much more? They even re-signed Lankinen as a hedge against Demko, which I thought was excessive.

Demko just turned out to be a massive liability this year.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I’ve repeated it a 1000 times, but this feels like 06/07 into 07/08 all over again.

People back then were yapping about no blue chip prospects, no assets to acquire big names like Brad Richards, 27 year old Swedes who couldn’t carry a teams first line, a Jack Adam’s coach who can’t coach offense, and how we were letting down the guy playing at a Hart level all year long after we’d been so barren at the position for 10+ years.

Playoffs or no playoffs (which is really 5 extra games based on the current forward group and injuries), management has the opportunity to shape this teams’ future this offseason much like Gillis did back then. I still have faith - here’s to hoping.

Edit: Our old leader back then even went to go play for the NYR the year after too

Keep the faith, friend. Glad to hear it.

 

[orcatown]

Finally got to watch the replay.

First was one of the best periods of hockey this season for the team. Indeed, Canucks, in spite of being short-handed, played well through out. NYR got some incredible bounces and Canucks didn't. Really the team gave what they could and that's all you can ask. I think we all know that it's just not there. Too many injuries, too much drama and not enough push back. Every thing had to go right and way too much has gone wrong.

Good

Boeser - Third was one of his best periods of the season. Checking, controling the puck and getting in on the forecheck. Problem is that Boeser seems to lack the endurance to sustain this type of play over any lenght of time. Just hits those dead zone which can extend over way too long a stretch. What they are going to do with Boeser in the off season is vry debateable.

Hughes - obviously the player of the game. Annoucers, per usual, out to lunch. Gave a tremendous effort and carried so much of the play. Glad he did this in New York since media can't ignore what they saw.

Mancini - most encouraging aspect of the game was the way he left his impression on the game. Showed some good speed and, most important, showed a willingness to drive some offense. Wasn't hanging back trying to get through the game but was instead looking for chances to jump into the play to create chances.

Not Good

Sherwood - getting behind the play and getting beat in his own end. Also might have been looking too much for hits which sometimes this took him out of the play. Since the injury hasn't been the same player we saw earlier in the season.

DeBrusk - has to get more done. When he isn't scoring he becomes mostly baggage. Forecheck was very weak and often just got tied up with the opponent and was left out of the play.

Ohters

Lekkermaki - Looking like he can do something. Staying in the play which is a positive for a young player but needs to learn more how to use his offensive ability. MOst of that is getting more separation. Think you have to be pretty happy with his progression to this point.

Forbort - got guessing around his net and was not used much after mis plays in his end. Outplayed by Mancini.

Aman - quietly got 2 assists. Started game well but faded in the later going. You'd like to see more cosistency shift to shift.

Lankanin - thought he was unfortunate on many of the goals. Pucks are going in off Canucks too much. I guess that is mostly matter of luck but right now that is killing the team.

Loss of Pettersson and Hoglander could, of course, be fatal for any playoff chances. With a couple more losses the team should be shutting down players who are trying to play through injuries and giving prospects more of a look.

 

[thecupismine]

Well Gillis inherited a stacked roster from the Burke-Nonis years. The Sedins, Edler, Luongo, Kesler, Bieksa, Schneider, and Burrows were already drafted, playing, traded for or were in the system.

Everybody knew Benning was inheriting an aging roster with almost nothing the pipeline. Hence Gillis was always going to be on a lot shorter rope.

This is insane revisionist history. No one thought that roster was stacked when he inherited it - it was constantly written off in every publication even after the Demitra and Bernier additions as the worst team in the Northwest and highly unlikely to make the playoffs. I think the highest anyone had them ranked was 8th in the west, with no one in the system who projected as first liners or #1 dmen.

Kesler and Burrows were 24 and 27 year old third liners (not an age where you expect breakouts into first line studs), Edler was a promising rookie, and Bieksa had one good year and one terrible half season before he cut his Achilles. Schneider was 4 years out from his draft and hadn’t shown anything at the NHL level, and was splitting games with Drew MacIntyre at the AHL level (46 to 36 in favor of Drew) not something you like to see out of a 1st round pick that many years post draft.

Gillis even said in his opening presser he wasn’t sure the Sedins could be franchise cornerstones/1st liners on a contender, then changed his mind after 1 year when he re-signed them.

In retrospect, with great development, those pieces were amazing. But it took a complete change in approach to development from the top down to get everyone to that level. He took a massive bet on a roster everyone said should rebuild and turned it into a contender. Gillis was a victim of his own success, and the fact he was given fewer years here than Benning is absurd.

 

[racerjoe]

1st GA was a screened deflection.
2nd GA a point blank chance post and in.
3rd GA a tough defelction off Quinn's skate.
4th GA was another point blank slot shot.

Its hard to argue any of those should have been saves. Lankinen has made some miraculous saves this year so he was certainly capable of stopping one, but its not easy standing around with low shots against and then facing high danger chances.

It’s tough… don’t really fault him on any of the goals but you would like him to stop 1. After hearing he was sick, I would not have started him.

Pretty insane how quickly "fans" chanted: "Fire Gillis" compared to "Fire Benning".

Gillis basically had zero room for error while Benning had a free ride to suck for years.

The bulk of our fans just believe what the media says too easily. The media hated Gillis… and that was that.

 

[Ace of Hades]

This is insane revisionist history. No one thought that roster was stacked when he inherited it - it was constantly written off in every publication even after the Demitra and Bernier additions as the worst team in the Northwest and highly unlikely to make the playoffs. I think the highest anyone had them ranked was 8th in the west, with no one in the system who projected as first liners or #1 dmen.

Kesler and Burrows were 24 and 27 year old third liners (not an age where you expect breakouts into first line studs), Edler was a promising rookie, and Bieksa had one good year and one terrible half season before he cut his Achilles. Schneider was 4 years out from his draft and hadn’t shown anything at the NHL level, and was splitting games with Drew MacIntyre at the AHL level (46 to 36 in favor of Drew) not something you like to see out of a 1st round pick that many years post draft.

Gillis even said in his opening presser he wasn’t sure the Sedins could be franchise cornerstones/1st liners on a contender, then changed his mind after 1 year when he re-signed them.

In retrospect, with great development, those pieces were amazing. But it took a complete change in approach to development from the top down to get everyone to that level. He took a massive bet on a roster everyone said should rebuild and turned it into a contender. Gillis was a victim of his own success, and the fact he was given fewer years here than Benning is absurd.

Also major credit to Gillis for bringing in Sundin who played a key role in Kesler's individual development/improvement as a player offensively.

 

[TruGr1t]

Demko was not a massive bandaid… Demko being THIS injured was not expected that all. Nobody projected Demko to miss basically the whole season at the beginning of the season.

What Lank makes next season has nothing to do with what he was signed for this season. He was signed to be a backup plan in case Demko doesn’t return in time for the start of the season and in case Silovs bombs. You are essentially complaining why we don’t have a backup plan for our backup plan which basically tells you how messed up our situation has been this season.

Demko has something systemically wrong with him that has persisted since late last season if not his entire career. Again, I'm not paid seven figures so maybe I don't have a reference point, but between not foreseeing Demko's injury being chronic, and entirely walking into the Miller thing like a drunk into a low ceiling, I have absolutely zero sympathies for management. I've no idea what is even going on with Pettersson.

After things went sideways, they also proceeded to massively overplay certain players on this team to the point they have no gas in the tank at all at this point in the season. They then recouped basically zero assets at the deadline, and now basically everyone of note on the roster is injured.

 

[arttk]

Demko has something systemically wrong with him that has persisted since late last season if not his entire career. Again, I'm not paid seven figures so maybe I don't have a reference point, but between not foreseeing Demko's injury being chronic, and entirely walking into the Miller thing like a drunk into a low ceiling, I have absolutely zero sympathies for management.

After things went sideways, they also proceeded to massively overplay certain players on this team to the point they have no gas in the tank at all at this point in the season. They then recouped basically zero assets at the deadline, and now basically everyone of note on the roster is injured.

I mean you can’t say his injury is chronic when he literally has an injury that has not ever happened within the sport…

I don’t agree with the sentiment that Lank is overpaid.

 

[Oliewud]

1st GA was a screened deflection.
2nd GA a point blank chance post and in.
3rd GA a tough defelction off Quinn's skate.
4th GA was another point blank slot shot.

Its hard to argue any of those should have been saves. Lankinen has made some miraculous saves this year so he was certainly capable of stopping one, but its not easy standing around with low shots against and then facing high danger chances.

i hate this logic.

go watch some of the saves shesterskin made. goalies make saves when they are in proper position.

lankinens positioning was not good tonight. he also didnt even use his f***ing stick to block the pass just no f***ing IQ