Proposal: Friedman's proposal: Boeser for Mantha

[Boondock]

You could easily flip Mantha next season for an asset

Mantha could easily get injured, what type of asset is he bringing a 2nd in 2024 with retained salary, so again no usable asset until 2027 and $2.5 in cap savings for the end of next season (not the beginning of the year so no d improvement). If the idea is to clear cap and you’re willing to take the L on the deal, why wait 2-3 seasons. Trade Boeser now for the best cap reduction deal, don’t shuffle the deck chairs and act like it’s progress. Mantha for Boeser seems like a Benning move.

 

[Bgav]

Mantha could easily get injured, what type of asset is he bringing a 2nd in 2024 with retained salary, so again no usable asset until 2027 and $2.5 in cap savings for the end of next season (not the beginning of the year so no d improvement). If the idea is to clear cap and you’re willing to take the L on the deal, why wait 2-3 seasons. Trade Boeser now for the best cap reduction deal, don’t shuffle the deck chairs and act like it’s progress. Mantha for Boeser seems like a Benning move.

A lot of what ifs here. Mantha as a rental is bringing you back more than what boeser is valued at. Benning is way to stupid to do that. If he made the trade he’d re-sign Mantha as soon as the plane landed lol

 

[57special]

You could easily flip Mantha next season for an asset

There is a great demand for lazy, underperforming players?

 

[Bgav]

There is a great demand for lazy, underperforming players?

I mean did you see what he returned two years ago. That package was insane and he was lazy then. Also If you eat salary when you trade him, a team will bite

 

[BlackFrancis]

A lot of what ifs here. Mantha as a rental is bringing you back more than what boeser is valued at. Benning is way to stupid to do that. If he made the trade he’d re-sign Mantha as soon as the plane landed lol

Anthony Mantha being injured is never a what-if. It is an inevitability.

 

[57special]

I mean did you see what he returned two years ago. That package was insane and he was lazy then. Also If you eat salary when you trade him, a team will bite

Back then i think that teams were thinking that Mantha might turn things around after leaving a perennially underachieving team in DET, and that he had upside still. Two years later, teams are thinking that HE was one of the reasons that DET was underachieving, and also that the odds that he has upside are lessening.

 

[Bgav]

Anthony Mantha being injured is never a what-if. It is an inevitability.

Lol same as brock

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Yeah you can have your opinion and that’s about it, the fact is Boeser is a specialized Special Teams player that is decent at one thing and hasn’t gotten better since he joined the League and at this point it’s safe to say his upside is likely the present.

Let’s review;
Boeser Career 272PTs 345GMs 0.788PPG
Mantha Career 238PTs 381GMs 0.624PPG

Looks like Boeser is indeed the better player. Let’s look further.

Boeser Career 90PowerPlay PTs / 272 Total PTs (0.33) fully 1/3 of Boeser’s Career PTs are on the Man-advantage.

Mantha Career 47PowerPlay PTs / 238 Total PTs (0.19) 1/5 of Mantha’s Career PTs are on the Man-advantage.

Simply stated Mantha is a vastly superior player 5-on-5 compared to Boeser and it’s not particularly close. Historically, throughout his career Boeser has simply feasted on forced PP opportunities. It’s no coincidence VAN is considering moving on from Boeser, they have players that are better at the one thing he’s good at. Boeser has also played higher in the lineup throughout his career than Mantha equating to an extra 1:30 per game in TOI.

Boeser’s boxcars look better but the context proves he gets extremely favorable usage and makes the bare minimum out of it. Mantha gets harder assignments with worse linemates and does nearly as well. The salary offset is easily justifiable.

It’s arguable the Caps brought Mantha in precisely because he’s historically reasonably productive at ES and is not PP-dependent. The same can not be said for Boeser.

Oh and about that PP time. The Capitals have TJ Oshie and use him as the PP RW, that’s a spot I doubt they’d give to Boeser so they’d be trading for an asset they wouldn’t even be able to give the Cherry opportunities the Canucks have.

There are many arguments about why this trade doesn’t work for both teams, that Boeser is the better player is not one of them.

How about we look at the last two years instead of career? Mantha is a complete non factor and has no drive 90% of the time

 

[StephenPeat]

How about we look at the last two years instead of career? Mantha is a complete non factor and has no drive 90% of the time

Are you implying somehow that Boeser IS a FACTOR AND/OR HAS DRIVE?

Also are you seriously singling out two seasons for Mantha where he’s played a combined 65 Games (largely due to injury)? Your take is poor. Boeser isn’t worth his contract but do keep him if you think he’s somehow helping you win games. Also as to the injury angle, Boeser has never played a Full Season so he and Mantha have more in common than you’d like people to believe. All things considered, in todays Salary Cap world these players bring approximately the same value from an on-ice standpoint and Mantha is $1M cheaper. It’s really that simple.

Right now Boeser is a 50PT player who’s significantly PowerPlay-dependent. That doesn’t make him particularly unique nor particularly valuable. Nothing you’ve said makes Boeser any more of a FACTOR than Mantha and absolutely nothing suggests Boeser demonstrates exemplary drive.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Are you implying somehow that Boeser IS a FACTOR AND/OR HAS DRIVE?

Also are you seriously singling out two seasons for Mantha where he’s played a combined 65 Games (largely due to injury)? Your take is poor. Boeser isn’t worth his contract but do keep him if you think he’s somehow helping you win games. Also as to the injury angle, Boeser has never played a Full Season so he and Mantha have more in common than you’d like people to believe. All things considered, in todays Salary Cap world these players bring approximately the same value from an on-ice standpoint and Mantha is $1M cheaper. It’s really that simple.

Right now Boeser is a 50PT player who’s significantly PowerPlay-dependent. That doesn’t make him particularly unique nor particularly valuable. Nothing you’ve said makes Boeser any more of a FACTOR than Mantha and absolutely nothing suggests Boeser demonstrates exemplary drive.

terrible post. any time you use allcaps you have lost the plot.

boeser at this very moment is a 62 pt player with very little pp1 time and nearly zero pp1 time in his natural left circle position, which belongs to jt miller.

a week ago he was an 82 point player in the same role. except for last season, when his dad was dying, boeser is a circa 70 point player.

tune in next week.

boeser for mantha would be a last ditch move first and foremost because the team is trying to make a move to clear significant cap. i also doubt he fits management's strategic plan.

that's not to make any criticism of mantha. i just doubt it happens.

as for boeser, he's a great add if your team can give him pp1 time on the left circle. if you can't do that then he's a dumb add.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Add Orlov and Myers to the deal to even it out. Not ideal but it’s a big shakeup and both teams could benefit. Boeser has more value than Mantha and Orlov has more value than Myers. Burroughs takes Myers place in the lineup and Orlov takes Stillman’s spot.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Are you implying somehow that Boeser IS a FACTOR AND/OR HAS DRIVE?

Also are you seriously singling out two seasons for Mantha where he’s played a combined 65 Games (largely due to injury)? Your take is poor. Boeser isn’t worth his contract but do keep him if you think he’s somehow helping you win games. Also as to the injury angle, Boeser has never played a Full Season so he and Mantha have more in common than you’d like people to believe. All things considered, in todays Salary Cap world these players bring approximately the same value from an on-ice standpoint and Mantha is $1M cheaper. It’s really that simple.

Right now Boeser is a 50PT player who’s significantly PowerPlay-dependent. That doesn’t make him particularly unique nor particularly valuable. Nothing you’ve said makes Boeser any more of a FACTOR than Mantha and absolutely nothing suggests Boeser demonstrates exemplary drive.

No my friend YOUR take is poor.

We can use just this season if you'd like. Brock Boeser is on pace for 62 points meanwhile Mantha is on pace for 38. Boeser is not even getting PP time in his natural spot because JT Miller has been so good there. here is zero chance in hell I move Boeser for Mantha unless a pick like a 2nd is attached to him. The whole point of moving Boeser is to clear cap, not get a worse player (although Mantha's contract ends a year earlier which is nice). Again, I'm a big Mantha fan, but not for Brock Boeser.

 

[trick9]

Easy pass for Capitals.

Mantha can be had for futures but that Boeser contract i wouldn’t touch with a 10ft pole.

 

[innitfam]

Add Orlov and Myers to the deal to even it out. Not ideal but it’s a big shakeup and both teams could benefit. Boeser has more value than Mantha and Orlov has more value than Myers. Burroughs takes Myers place in the lineup and Orlov takes Stillman’s spot.

Uhh you can't just slip that in there....

Horrible swap for Washington on D, no way they consider that.

 

[RocketEmoji]

Yeah you can have your opinion and that’s about it, the fact is Boeser is a specialized Special Teams player that is decent at one thing and hasn’t gotten better since he joined the League and at this point it’s safe to say his upside is likely the present.

Let’s review;
Boeser Career 272PTs 345GMs 0.788PPG
Mantha Career 238PTs 381GMs 0.624PPG

Looks like Boeser is indeed the better player. Let’s look further.

Boeser Career 90PowerPlay PTs / 272 Total PTs (0.33) fully 1/3 of Boeser’s Career PTs are on the Man-advantage.

Mantha Career 47PowerPlay PTs / 238 Total PTs (0.19) 1/5 of Mantha’s Career PTs are on the Man-advantage.

Simply stated Mantha is a vastly superior player 5-on-5 compared to Boeser and it’s not particularly close. Historically, throughout his career Boeser has simply feasted on forced PP opportunities. It’s no coincidence VAN is considering moving on from Boeser, they have players that are better at the one thing he’s good at. Boeser has also played higher in the lineup throughout his career than Mantha equating to an extra 1:30 per game in TOI.

Boeser’s boxcars look better but the context proves he gets extremely favorable usage and makes the bare minimum out of it. Mantha gets harder assignments with worse linemates and does nearly as well. The salary offset is easily justifiable.

It’s arguable the Caps brought Mantha in precisely because he’s historically reasonably productive at ES and is not PP-dependent. The same can not be said for Boeser.

Oh and about that PP time. The Capitals have TJ Oshie and use him as the PP RW, that’s a spot I doubt they’d give to Boeser so they’d be trading for an asset they wouldn’t even be able to give the Cherry opportunities the Canucks have.

There are many arguments about why this trade doesn’t work for both teams, that Boeser is the better player is not one of them.

I actually think this is why the trade would make sense. Yes, Boeser is better on the powerplay and Mantha is better at even-strength. The Canucks sit at 28 percent on the powerplay this season but have a -8 goal differential at even-strength. The Capitals, without Backstrom for the foreseeable future, are at 21 percent on the powerplay. The Canucks can afford to lose a powerplay merchant, while the Capitals should be looking for ways to jumpstart the man advantage (especially considering Ovechkin's pursuit of Gretzky). Boeser could replace Johansson on PP1, who plays on the right side of the ice. Oshie plays at bumper and would not be replaced. I am not sure whether Boeser historically plays closer to the point or to the goal line on powerplays, but I think Strome is capable of manning either position so things could be moved around a bit.

Also, Mantha's physicality may be understated. He's produced .16 fewer points per game than Boeser so far in their careers but has averaged .55 more hits per game. The Canucks have 122 fewer hits as a team this year than the Capitals, who should also get Wilson back in the coming weeks. I mean it seems to me like the Canucks have an impressive, young nucleus (Kuzmenko, Hughes, Miller, Pettersson, and Horvat assuming he isn't traded as well) so maybe that's an aspect they're looking for to round out the club.

 

[joestevens29]

terrible post. any time you use allcaps you have lost the plot.

boeser at this very moment is a 62 pt player with very little pp1 time and nearly zero pp1 time in his natural left circle position, which belongs to jt miller.

a week ago he was an 82 point player in the same role. except for last season, when his dad was dying, boeser is a circa 70 point player.

tune in next week.

boeser for mantha would be a last ditch move first and foremost because the team is trying to make a move to clear significant cap. i also doubt he fits management's strategic plan.

that's not to make any criticism of mantha. i just doubt it happens.

as for boeser, he's a great add if your team can give him pp1 time on the left circle. if you can't do that then he's a dumb add.

Lol he never hit 60 let alone 70

 

[StephenPeat]

Lol he never hit 60 let alone 70

Absolutely not. As of tonight Anthony Mantha is an 83PT player.

 

[Strangelove]

Friedman should just stick to providing us with insider information.

 

[CapsFrontOffice]

3. Team I wonder about for Brock Boeser: Washington. This is a personal opinion, but I wonder if a Boeser-Anthony Mantha move makes any sense for both. The Capitals need a jolt and, as GM Brian MacLellan said last weekend, can’t do anything financially lopsided until there’s clarity on Nicklas Backstrom’s availability. Mantha’s cap hit is slightly lower than Boeser’s, and he’s got one fewer year — which would appeal to Vancouver. Anyway, just an idea.

Honestly that seems like a reasonable hockey trade.