Rumor: Friedman - Knies for Rantanen was seriously considered

[Fatass]

Not a single person in this thread will argue that Knies is a better player than Rantanen.

You seem to be wilfully ignoring that in the world of professional sports, it is a far more nuanced question than that.

Knies made $900k to Rantanen's $4.6m.
Knies will make between $5 and $8m whereas Rantanen would have made between $12 and $14m.
There are additional draft picks which would have gone to Carolina, which resulted in the Leafs being able to obtain Laughton and Carlo.

Holy moly! I’m talking about this year. Win now.

 

[NYRnine94]

Sure. But we are talking about this playoffs; right now. Marner is gone. Tavares might be gone too. The Leags best chance was right now and Treliving screwed that up.,

I don't know if Rantanen really makes a difference for them tbh. I mean the series went to 7 and their star players pulled their usual disappearing act. They had chances but couldn't make it happen. If the big guys came through, it wouldn't be an issue

 

[Fatass]

I don't know if Rantanen really makes a difference for them tbh. I mean the series went to 7 and their star players pulled their usual disappearing act. They had chances but couldn't make it happen. If the big guys came through, it wouldn't be an issue

All accepted. But Rantanen is a proven Cup winner who has been phenomenal this playoffs too. What about how he plays and competes isn’t exactly what the Leafs need?

 

[NYRnine94]

All accepted. But Rantanen is a proven Cup winner who has been phenomenal this playoffs too. What about how he plays and competes isn’t exactly what the Leafs need?

It is what they need but that also means they don't add other players. It's not just Knies for Rantanen and you keep everyone else, it's changing the whole lineup

 

[Fatass]

It is what they need but that also means they don't add other players. It's not just Knies for Rantanen and you keep everyone else, it's changing the whole lineup

Of course that’s what the trade most likely was. Knies is a way better player than Stsnkoven.
Imo the Leafs propaganda machine got going to convince fans the cost for Rantanen was ridiculous. When in truth it was Knies.

 

[seanlinden]

Holy moly! I’m talking about this year. Win now.

Again, acquiring Rantanen for Knies, Carlo and Laughton was far from a guaranteed cup win.

Going into the playoffs, there are 16 teams - 6.25% odds for each team assuming even balance.

The sports betting guys had the Leafs at +1200 which implies 7.7% chance of winning the cup. They had Dallas & Florida at +750 which implies 11.8%... so about 4% higher if you assume that a team with a largely incomplete blueline and questionable depth up the middle were capable of being considered stanley cup favourites.

 

[NYRnine94]

Of course that’s what the trade most likely was. Knies is a way better player than Stsnkoven.
Imo the Leafs propaganda machine got going to convince fans the cost for Rantanen was ridiculous. When in truth it was Knies.

Rantanen over Knies doesn't get them a cup either way imo.

 

[Fatass]

Rantanen over Knies doesn't get them a cup either way imo.

Imo Rantanen (who had been crazy good vs Knoes who really has done nothing) absolutely gets the Leafs to the Cup Final. Of course it’s vs the Oilers and McDavid so that’s hard to beat. But they still have Rantanen for the next 8 years!

 

[NYRnine94]

Imo Rantanen (who had been crazy good vs Knoes who really has done nothing) absolutely gets the Leafs to the Cup Final. Of course it’s vs the Oilers and McDavid so that’s hard to beat. But they still have Rantanen for the next 8 years!

Agree to disagree. I think depth wins over superstar players, in hockey anyway.

 

[Fatass]

Agree to disagree. I think depth wins over superstar players, in hockey anyway.

Sorry friend but stars win Cups.

 

[NYRnine94]

Sorry friend but stars win Cups.

Depth and deep defense wins cups in hockey. Otherwise Toronto would win the cup every year

 

[3074326]

Depth and deep defense wins cups in hockey. Otherwise Toronto would win the cup every year

Depth and defense doesn't win the cup. CBJ would have 9 cups by now. You absolutely need stars to show up in the playoffs, I agree with that sentiment.

 

[NYRnine94]

Depth and defense doesn't win the cup. CBJ would have 9 cups by now. You absolutely need stars to show up in the playoffs, I agree with that.

True but stars at the expense of depth and defense doesn't work either

 

[3074326]

True but stars at the expense of depth and defense doesn't work either

We are on the same page now and we didn't have to get mad at each other to do it! Hell yeah. A rare moment.

 

[Fatass]

Depth and defense doesn't win the cup. CBJ would have 9 cups by now. You absolutely need stars to show up in the playoffs, I agree with that sentiment.

Not exactly too sure what you’re talking about? Getting Rantanen for Knies plays a bit of depth (imo) gets the Leafs to the Cup this year and extends their Cup window. Treliving F’ed up. I fell bad for Leafs fans. Their management should be trying to win.

 

[NYRnine94]

Not exactly too sure what you’re talking about? Getting Rantanen for Knies plays a bit of depth (imo) gets the Leafs to the Cup this year and extends their Cup window. Treliving F’ed up. I fell bad for Leafs fans. Their management should be trying to win.

Why are you so sure the Leafs go to a cup with Rantanen? You're betting your life savings on that?

 

[jackjohnson]

I am happy they kept Knies. Leafs need to stop having 4 forwards making 11+ and Knies is already a warrior in his own right. He has shown in several playoffs now what he is made of. Very happy he remains a Leaf.

Knies will make 11 million after the offer sheet

 

[JKG33]

Carolina did the right thing taking Stankoven over the two unproven prospects. But Knies + 2 1sts is a f***ing absurd ask for a guy about to walk as a UFA, and I love Rantanen.

Its too bad Mitchy poo rejected the trade. Dubas is the gift that keeps on giving

 

[Fatass]

Why are you so sure the Leafs go to a cup with Rantanen? You're betting your life savings on that?

It’s all hypothetical of course, but do honestly think the Leafs are better without Rantanen?

 

[lawrence]

Feels like clickbait

He has been active in the industry for some time, but his approach often involves repackaging rumors initially circulated by obscure or lesser-known journalists. He then presents these claims as his own insider insights, creating the illusion of exclusive access to information.

 

[Fatass]

Carolina did the right thing taking Stankoven over the two unproven prospects. But Knies + 2 1sts is a f***ing absurd ask for a guy about to walk as a UFA, and I love Rantanen.

Its too bad Mitchy poo rejected the trade. Dubas is the gift that keeps on giving

What? Knies or Stankoven? Come on?

 

[JKG33]

What? Knies or Stankoven? Come on?

What? I mean taking Stankoven over Minten+Cowan

 

[seanlinden]

Sorry friend but stars win Cups.

Depth and deep defense wins cups in hockey. Otherwise Toronto would win the cup every year

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Ultimately though, you need both.... you need a little bit of starpower to show up, but far more important is having incredible depth when star players eventually cancel each other out.

The Leafs didn't lose because Barkov outplayed Matthews or Tkachuk outplayed Marner or Reinhart outplayed Nylander.

Barkov had 5 assists in the series. Tkachuk had 4 assists. Reinhart had 2 goals and 3 assists.
Barkov was +2, Tkachuk was even, Reinhart was +1...

Matthews had a goal and 3 assists. Marner had a goal and 4 asissts. Nylander had 3 goals and 3 assists.
Matthews was even, Marner -1, Nylander -1.

Even the +/- not exactly world-beating considering 2 of the Panthers wins were by 5 goals; while the Leafs largest margin of victory was 2 goals.

The reason the Panthers won, is because their trio makes a combined $28.1m whereas Toronto's makes $35.6m.

That extra money, and astute acquistions, allows them to have guys like Seth Jones, Anton Lundell, Brad Marchand, Sam Bennett, and Carter Verhaege who end up being the difference makers.

 

[Fatass]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Ultimately though, you need both.... you need a little bit of starpower to show up, but far more important is having incredible depth when star players eventually cancel each other out.

Sorry friend. Yes a club need depth. But it’s the stars who Win or Lose.

 

[Fatass]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Ultimately though, you need both.... you need a little bit of starpower to show up, but far more important is having incredible depth when star players eventually cancel each other out.

Too funny. Stars winn Cups. That’s undeniable fact.