GDT: Free Agent Frenzy

[Winger98]

I'm disappointed the Wings couldn't make a big move or two yesterday, but I'm happy we didn't get roped into taking on the majority of terms that got thrown around. I'm fne with Yzerman having time to work the phones, and possibly seeing more kids get ice time this year.

 

[Konnan511]

The team at the end of last season and the team to start this upcoming season, when compared, the upcoming season's team is worse than last year, which is a shame.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I'm disappointed the Wings couldn't make a big move or two yesterday, but I'm happy we didn't get roped into taking on the majority of terms that got thrown around. I'm fne with Yzerman having time to work the phones, and possibly seeing more kids get ice time this year.

I too hope to see a large # of rookies in the lineup, but given the lack of roster spots and # of unmoveable contracts in place already I dont forsee it...

SE yes but that may be it

The team at the end of last season and the team to start this upcoming season, when compared, the upcoming season's team is worse than last year, which is a shame.

The only improvement is Talbot to Reimer though I'm not sure he is 2.5x better, but yes, he is better

 

[Ricelund]

Why are people acting like the offseason's over?

Marner, Necas, Pinto, Faulk, Theodore, Zegras, Buchnevich, Ekblad, etc. are still out there... and those are just some of the guys that have already been rumored to be on the move.

We know Yzerman was looking to add via trade with Trouba. Almost all of the contracts handed out yesterday didn't make sense for the Wings.

 

[Henkka]

Cam Talbot has +15.12 GSAA (goals saved above average) from last 3 seasons. That's better than Markström and almost equal with Stuart Skinner. He is a Top11 goalie of all who have played same minutes (7900min) or more.

Other familiar names.

Talbot +15.12 GSAA
Lyon +2.59 GSAA
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Husso -4.24 GSAA
Campbell -9.32 GSAA
Reimer -12.02 GSAA
Nedeljkovic -14.89 GSAA

Imo, he is by far the best goalie we have had lately.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Why are people acting like the offseason's over?

Marner, Necas, Pinto, Faulk, Theodore, Zegras, Buchnevich, Ekblad, etc. are still out there... and those are just some of the guys that have already been rumored to be on the move.

We know Yzerman was looking to add via trade with Trouba. Almost all of the contracts handed out yesterday didn't make sense for the Wings.

If you think that people are overreacting to doing very little, or that they would have been overreacting to some of the contracts that were handed out, just wait until you see how they handle trades where they have to give up picks and prospects. If Berggren gets traded, some people might actually start committing violent crimes through your computer screen.

 

[RRhoads]

If Berggren gets traded, some people might actually start committing violent crimes through your computer screen

I believe we already have a suspect if that is the case

 

[datsyukfan]

Why are people acting like the offseason's over?

Marner, Necas, Pinto, Faulk, Theodore, Zegras, Buchnevich, Ekblad, etc. are still out there... and those are just some of the guys that have already been rumored to be on the move.

We know Yzerman was looking to add via trade with Trouba. Almost all of the contracts handed out yesterday didn't make sense for the Wings.

There is literally nothing to say that any of those guys will be traded. None of them need to be traded

 

[Henkka]

I'm happy we didn't get roped into taking on the majority of terms that got thrown around.

It's interesting, how we have only 3 players signed for next 4 seasons.

Larkin, Compher and Rasmussen. Nobody else.

Seider and Raymond will be added next, but then, we'll see.

Long-term cap will be at perfect shape.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Why are people acting like the offseason's over?

Marner, Necas, Pinto, Faulk, Theodore, Zegras, Buchnevich, Ekblad, etc. are still out there... and those are just some of the guys that have already been rumored to be on the move.

We know Yzerman was looking to add via trade with Trouba. Almost all of the contracts handed out yesterday didn't make sense for the Wings.

I need to see it now. No benefit of the doubt. Make a trade I’ll be pleased. I’m not assuming anything will happen.

 

[datsyukfan]

It's interesting, how we have only 3 players signed for next 4 seasons.

Larkin, Compher and Rasmussen. Nobody else.

Seider and Raymond will be added next, but then, we'll see.

Long-term cap will be at perfect shape.

Hopefully we can get lucky in the lottery too for once since that’s where this team is heading this year

 

[Ricelund]

There is literally nothing to say that any of those guys will be traded. None of them need to be traded

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

It's interesting, how we have only 3 players signed for next 4 seasons.

Larkin, Compher and Rasmussen. Nobody else.

Seider and Raymond will be added next, but then, we'll see.

Long-term cap will be at perfect shape.

Yes but at some point, you have to go. It has to be go mode. Don’t spend stupidly but there is a place between FA Frenzy and signing Sheldon Dries. (

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Why are people acting like the offseason's over?

Marner, Necas, Pinto, Faulk, Theodore, Zegras, Buchnevich, Ekblad, etc. are still out there... and those are just some of the guys that have already been rumored to be on the move.

We know Yzerman was looking to add via trade with Trouba. Almost all of the contracts handed out yesterday didn't make sense for the Wings.

The logical thinking is, those teams with those players were looking to move them for cap space to spend in free agency...the best of free agency is over

Now maybe they're bad locker room fits or the teams simply want more future draft capital, but apart from StL, all are top contenders so that makes no sense..

 

[Nut Upstrom]

This is pretty spot on. The sad reality is that we aren't even through this rebuild, and it looks like we need already need to rebuild again. This rebuild has been smoke and mirrors for a few years. Yes Detroit has improved every year, but it hasn't been organically. Literally any team at the bottom of the league could have singed Copp/Perron/Ghost/or any other veteran player and gotten out of the bottom and still not made the playoffs. Does anyone actually think the core of this team is good enough to compete with teams like Toronto/Boston/New York/Carolina? Or any of the western teams? If so, I'd love to hear that argument. If not, how does Detroit realistically add the elite talent needed to compete with those teams? Free agency clearly isn't going to work. Drafting (outside of the top 6) has been mediocre at best since Yzerman took over. A franchise player isn't just going to appear out of nowhere. It might be a hot take, but the organization isn't any closer to a Stanley Cup now than they were when Yzerman took over. Sure the team is better, but the end goal is the same distance away.

The rebuild hinges, and has always hinged on, what kind of players our draft picks turn into. Hiring middle of the road place holders to bridge their development years, was not a foundation of the rebuild. I assume it was done so those players would have a stable, structured environment to step into once they arrived at that point. I wasn't happy with some of our acquisitions, but it's probably not a good thing to drag through repeated 50-60 loss seasons so the locker room is a bitter, uncaring cess pool when those prospects do step in.

Whether fans agree with that or believe in all tank all the time until your kids are ready, the end game is the same: the success or failure of the rebuild can only be judged in the next couple of seasons when we see what these prospects are at the NHL level. If the prospect pool turns out to be nothing special, then, yea, we're looking at another rebuild. But that remains to be seen.

 

[Henkka]

If you think that people are overreacting to doing very little, or that they would have been overreacting to some of the contracts that were handed out, just wait until you see how they handle trades where they have to give up picks and prospects. If Berggren gets traded, some people might actually start committing violent crimes through your computer screen.

I don't see idea as Berggren being traded.

He belongs on the ice, and will be one of next season biggest steals with ~1.0M contract and putting up 0.50 points per game. Or maybe more.

 

[Squirrel in the Hole]

Something is slow cooking,no doubt. Yzerman isnt standing pat this off season, and theres a clear log jam in some areas.. things are in the works. I would bet its a larger move or 2 and probably why there wasnt any major money spent today. Yzerman has most of that cap space used up in his plans, just that date is TBD. Dont see a reason why they wouldnt spend most of their cap one way or another this coming season.

Arguably, our two biggest acquisitions last year (DBC through trade and Kane mid-year Free Agent) came long after free agent frenzy day.

 

[ricky0034]

Cam Talbot has +15.12 GSAA (goals saved above average) from last 3 seasons. That's better than Markström and almost equal with Stuart Skinner. He is a Top11 goalie of all who have played same minutes (7900min) or more.

Other familiar names.

Talbot +15.12 GSAA
Lyon +2.59 GSAA
-------------------
Husso -4.24 GSAA
Campbell -9.32 GSAA
Reimer -12.02 GSAA
Nedeljkovic -14.89 GSAA

Imo, he is by far the best goalie we have had lately.

to be fair Husso and Ned did both have +15 GSAA seasons the year before they joined the Wings

Talbot certainly has a much longer track record as an NHL Goalie than those guys did though so I do expect him to perform better here than they did

 

[Nut Upstrom]

The team at the end of last season and the team to start this upcoming season, when compared, the upcoming season's team is worse than last year, which is a shame.

If we're giving more roster spots to unproven prospects, as it seems might be the case, then the regression is expected. That's a scenarion that was discussed at length on this forum since the close of the season. One year of regression so the kids can step in and secure their roll on the team and adjust to NHL hockey. Does it really matter, in the big picture, if we regress or get a little better and become a first round casualty team in the playoffs?

We're building for a more long term future as a competative team. A couple points in the standings next year really has no bearing on that. He spent on free agents the last two years for the gradual improvement of the team from season to season. At some point you have to stop doing that and give that responsibility to the next batch of players who will, hopefully, become the new core.

I guess how those kids perform will, for the most part, determine if the upcoming season's team is better or worse than last year's.

 

[izlez]

Why are people acting like the offseason's over?

Marner, Necas, Pinto, Faulk, Theodore, Zegras, Buchnevich, Ekblad, etc. are still out there... and those are just some of the guys that have already been rumored to be on the move.

We know Yzerman was looking to add via trade with Trouba. Almost all of the contracts handed out yesterday didn't make sense for the Wings.

If you are gonna hang your hopes on a trade based on some vague rumors that guys might be moved (and not even that the Red Wings are in talks), you're gonna have a bad time.

I also don't know what we would do with a defenseman if we were to trade for them

 

[Ricelund]

If you are gonna hang your hopes on a trade based on some vague rumors that guys might be moved (and not even that the Red Wings are in talks), you're gonna have a bad time.

I also don't know what we would do with a defenseman if we were to trade for them

As opposed to what? Hanging my hopes on overpaying UFAs? I'm trying to talk everyone off the ledge here...

As has been the case for years, the rebuild lives or dies based on the prospects. The best way to add core players outside of the draft is via trade (barring one becoming available in UFA… but even then, your chances are slim).

 

[HisNoodliness]

I too hope to see a large # of rookies in the lineup, but given the lack of roster spots and # of unmoveable contracts in place already I dont forsee it...

SE yes but that may be it



The only improvement is Talbot to Reimer though I'm not sure he is 2.5x better, but yes, he is better

Honestly the Walman trade and the Gustafsson signing really annoy me. We traded a 2nd round pick to make space on the roster and get some cap space. Fine. We then used that space to sign a worse player, bloating our terrible defense with another fringe NHL D. We have 2 guys on the roster that I'm confident belong on NHL ice and one of them has 25 career games. We could make moves to upgrade that or we could roll with the kids. We're choosing to do neither, and we're paying to do it. I don't see why.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

As opposed to what? Hanging my hopes on overpaying for UFAs? I'm trying to talk everyone off the ledge here...

As has been the case for years, the rebuild lives or dies based on the prospects.

This is the way I'm going off the ledge.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

As opposed to what? Hanging my hopes on overpaying for UFAs? I'm trying to talk everyone off the ledge here...

As has been the case for years, the rebuild lives or dies based on the prospects.

The rebuild lives or dies based on prospects, signings and then trades

 

[norrisnick]

Yes but at some point, you have to go. It has to be go mode. Don’t spend stupidly but there is a place between FA Frenzy and signing Sheldon Dries. (

24 AHLers were signed by Atlantic Division teams yesterday. We signed 3 of them. Believe it or not, July 1 is when AHL signings happen throughout the league.