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My last two employers were the biggest corporations in their industry. Billions and Billions of dollars worth. They constantly held us to be more "economic, efficient and effective". We could meet new levels of revenue and reduction in costs for a decade and they will still come back to us next year and ask us to be more "economic, efficient and effective". So, to me its pretty meaningless.So, what do you think Pegula meant by saying they wanted the team to be "economic, efficient and effective” at the press conference after the Botterill firing and the Adams hiring?
I don't know if they would, but if they would, it'd be because they are up against the cap and would have one of the best C spines in the league even without Roy.Why would Vegas trade Roy, especially for picks/prospects? They're trying to be a top team.
My last two employers were the biggest corporations in their industry. Billions and Billions of dollars worth. They constantly held us to be more "economic, efficient and effective". We could meet new levels of revenue and reduction in costs for a decade and they will still come back to us next year and ask us to be more "economic, efficient and effective". So, to me its pretty meaningless.
If I am going to put words in Terry's mouth, I would say he would not want to waste money on Okposo playing the 4th line or try to force Skinner into a 3rd line role. That doesn't mean he wouldn't pay for Thompson to be a 1st line Center or make Dahlin a highly paid #1 Dman. If we could pay for someone to be a top 6 F for the next 6-7 years that would lead to more wins, its an economic and efficient way to be more effective.
To play devils advocate, being economic, efficient, and effective are all qualities you’d seek regardless of being a small spender, big spender, budget team, or cap team. I think you latching on to those buzzwords too much.So, what do you think Pegula meant by saying they wanted the team to be "economic, efficient and effective” at the press conference after the Botterill firing and the Adams hiring?
I mean you can post a meme to a thought out response, but he’s making a point. Are you suggesting cap teams don’t try to be economic, efficient, or effective in their operations? In their contracts? On their player salaries?
Their wingers look weird and they need a capWhy would Vegas trade Roy, especially for picks/prospects? They're trying to be a top team.
Adams wanted to sign Stamkos? I don't quite get it.
John Stamos, humorAdams wanted to sign Stamkos? I don't quite get it.
There were plenty of reports that the Sabres once again intended to take a run at Stamkos. And once again, it didn’t happen.Adams wanted to sign Stamkos? I don't quite get it.
I have never once heard Vegas or Florida or Tamp Bay’s owners talk about being economical.To play devils advocate, being economic, efficient, and effective are all qualities you’d seek regardless of being a small spender, big spender, budget team, or cap team. I think you latching on to those buzzwords too much.
You don’t think Vegas is trying to be economic, efficient, effective? Florida? Of course they are
I mean you can post a meme to a thought out response, but he’s making a point. Are you suggesting cap teams don’t try to be economic, efficient, or effective in their operations? In their contracts? On their player salaries?
Hell, top teams exhibit those traits far more than a bumbling Sabres team who are continuously firing people (and now buying out players) and seemingly waste money on the small contracts they do send out to FAs. Beane is far more economic, effective, and effective with his far more expensive cap team than the Sabres front office has been. Who would disagree with that?
In terms of being competitive and winning games, which is their product their business creates, Vegas and Florida understand that they have an overhead of around 80-90 million per season that they can work in their player salaries with, and they need minimum of players to use that. But they value of the competitive level of their organization above all, because they understand that winning games and showing your customers you are all in pushing your brand to be the best it can be is a cost worth investing in and will have a longer standing than "lessening the amount of money you spend" in the competitive field.To play devils advocate, being economic, efficient, and effective are all qualities you’d seek regardless of being a small spender, big spender, budget team, or cap team. I think you latching on to those buzzwords too much.
You don’t think Vegas is trying to be economic, efficient, effective? Florida? Of course they are
There were plenty of reports that the Sabres once again intended to take a run at Stamkos. And once again, it didn’t happen.
I have never once heard Vegas or Florida or Tamp Bay’s owners talk about being economical.
And you don’t want me to compare the Bills rankings when it comes to cash spending on players in comparison to the Sabres since Pegula bought the Bills.
One franchise spends money like a team trying to win championships and one franchise doesn’t.
Kim Pegula actually told us what the family’s priorities are herself, and high among those priorities is maintaining their lifestyle. It’s not daft or overly pessimistic to assume she was telling the truth.
I was today years old when I realized I hate John Stamos.
I don’t think it.The fact people think this was said during a company wide meeting is hilarious.
The fact people think this was said during a company wide meeting is hilarious.
I agree with you that more should have been done to insulate the younger players and improve the on ice outcome. It was misguided to leave spots open for the younger players to "not be blocked".
My argument isn't over Adams' performance, its the projection to the ownership. And you can correlate the lack of spending with the ownership being cheap but correlation is not causation. If the GM proposed allowing the youngsters opportunities and do a slow rebuild instead of blocking them with veterans, then your salary and overall spend would be reduced.
People literally printed out the power point she used.
So your theory is that the Pegulas brought on a GM with zero front office experience so he could tell them how to budget for the team?
You bring in a loyalist because they are loyal and they will listen and not tell you no.
I think Adams and the Pegulas talk every summer, he is given a budget, and he sticks to the budget. And, if this is the team we go forward with this summer, in the 14th year of the playoff drought, it was decided the budget is more important than winning. Again.
Absolutely not. He brought in someone he knows and trusts to guide the team through a rebuild. He's hired a bunch of "non-loyalists" and they f'd it up. Why not try someone you know better?People literally printed out the power point she used.
So your theory is that the Pegulas brought on a GM with zero front office experience so he could tell them how to budget for the team?
You bring in a loyalist because they are loyal and they will listen and not tell you no.
I think Adams and the Pegulas talk every summer, he is given a budget, and he sticks to the budget. And, if this is the team we go forward with this summer, in the 14th year of the playoff drought, it was decided the budget is more important than winning. Again.
Terry Pegula made his money by being early into the fracking business, obtaining mineral rights before they exploded in value. Getting into the oil business doesn't necessarily show business acumen, as evidenced by all the millionaires in the Texas and Oklahoma area.There is a common thread running through these posts that the Pegulas do not want to make money by fielding a team that will bring in more sth, sell more merchandise, sell more refreshments, charge more for broadcast rights, make millions from playoff games. The Pegulas have done very well in their business dealings and I find it hard to believe they lost their financial acumen when they purchased the Sabres. That they have invested in-squandered-buying FAs that did not live up to expectations- Leino, Hall- and have chased high priced management-think Babcock-and that has resulted in a more caveat emptor approach is not proof of Pegula parsimony.
I have never once heard Vegas or Florida or Tamp Bay’s owners talk about being economical.
And you don’t want me to compare the Bills rankings when it comes to cash spending on players in comparison to the Sabres since Pegula bought the Bills.
One franchise spends money like a team trying to win championships and one franchise doesn’t.