GDT: Free agency part III-toed sloth slow

[Nikishin Go Boom]

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[Borsig]

Is Bear gone yet?

No?

 

[Tryamw]

It happens

 

[Navin R Slavin]

This is not a GDT imho

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

This is not a GDT imho

What shall I change it to? Although pre-fixes don’t matter imho

 

[DaveG]

Some of it may also have to do with the tampering rules. There's a huge incentive to get a deal done on the first day of free agency, with the cautionary tales looking like Nino or Kadri.

Of course the only way that contracts can realistically get done on Day 1 is for conversations to happen "unofficially" before the window opens. But something on the scale of a site visit with a player touring facilities would just be too blatant of a violation, something that people couldn't pretend didn't happen. So the players end up relying on recommendations and word-of-mouth rather than physically visiting their preferred destinations.

I might be making this up, but I feel like a couple of years ago a player actually was spotted in an NHL city in what appeared to be a pre-window visit, and it made some waves.

I think this is it. Realistically speaking if UFA were actually tamper-free we would probably get 2-3 day delays (or longer) on some of the big names signing anywhere. Instead, what we get is stuff that's basically already known well before it happens, and it's quite obvious what happened, but good f***ing luck proving it. I'm thinking back to the Pietrangelo free agency a few years back. It was literally known for weeks if not months ahead of time that he was going to sign with Vegas. And pretty sure he signed there within minutes of free agency opening.

Hell we've had UFA signings that have been the exact same situation in recent years. Jesper Fast and Chase Priskie were known to be coming here weeks before it was ever made official.

But the level of stupidity that would involve actually being caught tampering is just off the charts. We're talking SMU using school letterhead on documents relating to player payments or Louisville basketball getting strippers for recruits level stupid here where it's flat out undeniable what happened.

 

[tarheelhockey]

This is not a GDT imho

Debatable.

By which I mean, we will find a way to make this an argument.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I think this is it. Realistically speaking if UFA were actually tamper-free we would probably get 2-3 day delays (or longer) on some of the big names signing anywhere. Instead, what we get is stuff that's basically already known well before it happens, and it's quite obvious what happened, but good f***ing luck proving it. I'm thinking back to the Pietrangelo free agency a few years back. It was literally known for weeks if not months ahead of time that he was going to sign with Vegas. And pretty sure he signed there within minutes of free agency opening.

Hell we've had UFA signings that have been the exact same situation in recent years. Jesper Fast and Chase Priskie were known to be coming here weeks before it was ever made official.

But the level of stupidity that would involve actually being caught tampering is just off the charts. We're talking SMU using school letterhead to relating to player payments or Louisville basketball getting strippers for recruits level stupid here where it's flat out undeniable what happened.

It's currently UNC-level...where the violations are blatantly obvious to bystanders, but somehow they're at "my fingerprint was on the gun, but not the bullet that killed that guy" innocence, so totally innocent.

 

[NotOpie]

Debatable.

By which I mean, we will find a way to make this an argument.

I think it starts out something like, ".....I know you are but what am I"?

 

[mikeyfan]

Toews is now saying he would entertain a trade and waive his No move clause. Should the Canes kick the tires on this?

 

[NotOpie]

Toews is now saying he would entertain a trade and waive his No move clause. Should the Canes kick the tires on this?

Devon Toews, yes....that other guy, not so much....

 

[tarheelhockey]

Toews is now saying he would entertain a trade and waive his No move clause. Should the Canes kick the tires on this?

I think they have to at least do their due diligence on it. Aho-Toews-Staal is obscene center depth and would elevate them to a clear-cut Cup favorite as long as it doesn't massively subtract from their existing structure. It depends on what Chicago wants in return, which probably won't work for us, but you have to at least ask (look at the Burns trade).

 

[WreckingCrew]

I think they have to at least do their due diligence on it. Aho-Toews-Staal is obscene center depth and would elevate them to a clear-cut Cup favorite as long as it doesn't massively subtract from their existing structure. It depends on what Chicago wants in return, which probably won't work for us, but you have to at least ask (look at the Burns trade).

 

[Tryamw]

Debatable.

By which I mean, we will find a way to make this an argument.

But will we DISCUSS it?

 

[WreckingCrew]

But will we DISCUSS it?

No, we mostly just argue, or debate, they're the same thing anyway

 

[Svechhammer]

Toews is now saying he would entertain a trade and waive his No move clause. Should the Canes kick the tires on this?

Toews and Jordo would give us the best center depth that the 2006 draft could provide us

If he has anything in the tank, sure... But I don't want to give up too much of consequence for a guy who has maybe a year or two left in the tank and already had to sit a season for an auto-immune illness.

 

[tarheelhockey]

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TBH the best thing for him would be sharing a room with Staal and Toews and Brind'amour. Learn the trade, son.

 

[Svechhammer]

This is not a GDT imho

You know what is a GDT?

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Is Bear gone yet?

No?

At this point I kinda hope we keep him just to see your reaction.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Toews:
If Chicago took Gardiner and we could find a 3rd party to do a double max retention, then heck yea. I get Toews has broken down lately but he has been their only good center in quite some time. But Dach got a first, yea by Montreal.

Give the guy some wingers and he could still do well.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Yeah I feel like even 50% max retention on Toews is still negative value. I'd rather just have Necas. Now if we can swing Gards for 50% Toews with little else of value going to Chicago, I'd do it. But I don't think that's possible.

 

[mikeyfan]

From Bostonhockey now.com

Could Boston Bruins winger David Pastrnak be on the NHL trade market if the Bruins can’t sign him to a long-term extension before the 2022-23 season begins?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yeah I feel like even 50% max retention on Toews is still negative value. I'd rather just have Necas. Now if we can swing Gards for 50% Toews with little else of value going to Chicago, I'd do it. But I don't think that's possible.

If we can't have him, we need to make sure nobody else can either.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

From Bostonhockey now.com

Could Boston Bruins winger David Pastrnak be on the NHL trade market if the Bruins can’t sign him to a long-term extension before the 2022-23 season begins?

This has been talked about since early June. They definitely will look to deal him if they don’t feel they can get him locked up long-term. I don’t see the need to do it before the start of the season, though. I guess it depends how seriously they consider themselves contenders.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

This has been talked about since early June. They definitely will look to deal him if they don’t feel they can get him locked up long-term. I don’t see the need to do it before the start of the season, though. I guess it depends how seriously they consider themselves contenders.

With as deep as Atlantic has gotten, I can’t see how they would consider themselves contenders. A ton of key injuries to start, lack of depth on the farm, and they presumably will have a very hard time trying to catch up to 4th in the 2nd half.