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It really isn't, I know defence is a more important position than winger, but we have had some trouble with 5v5 scoring this year, and Peterka is still a young guy with room to grow.

Plus in our prospect system we have Yakemchuk with potential to be as good or better than Zub, meanwhile our forward pool is almost totally barren.
We have 10 top 9 forwards right now. We have to start thinking about a post-Perron/Giroux timeline but we aren’t exactly in a bad position there.

If you trade Zub, then Jensen walks next year or retires, and Yak needs more time, you basically have nothing on the right side. And that’s a position that’s really hard to fill.

It is definitely a Dorion move.
 
I'm not sure who Yak could play with on our current team in a top 4 role in the next few years.

Him and Chabot would make people want to tear their hair out.

Him and Sanderson would be a trainwreck because Yak is the polar opposite of a guy you want defending top players.

I don't think we see Yak in a top 4 role with the Sens until Chabot is out the door, and probably not for another 3+ years.

When he gets here, and I don't think it's going to be at the start of next season, he's going to be a very sheltered 13 minute a night guy who may get some PP2 time, and I'm not sure how long it will take to move up to a more pronounced role without significant roster rejuggling
 
It really isn't, I know defence is a more important position than winger, but we have had some trouble with 5v5 scoring this year, and Peterka is still a young guy with room to grow.

Plus in our prospect system we have Yakemchuk with potential to be as good or better than Zub, meanwhile our forward pool is almost totally barren.
It is a Dorion move. There is no forward thinking here. We can't sacrifice defense just yet for offense, when we finally shored it up to a reasonable level.

Jensen is not going to be as good next year. He's already slowed down this year.

Yakemchuk is still 2ish years away.

Frankly, Matinpalo is a replacement level defender at best, and we should be looking to improve upon him.

So, we trade Zub, and as soon as next year we are looking at a crappy RHD situation, AGAIN.

And then consider why Buffalo is doing this trade. They would 100% do this because they are SICK OF PURGATORY, and reliable defenders is the way out of purgatory. They are a premium asset, especially RHD. There is a league-wide deficit of NHL quality defenders.
 
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i dont expect that many changes with the team. Unless Perron asks for a move I do not see us trading him (especially since he has a 15 team no trade clause) but i expect him to move down the depth chart. I do not see us throwing Yak into the lineup unless he flat out earns it over Matinpalo. If we give Giroux a regular contract then i expect we can add a forward in the 3 ish million range since there was a report earlier that Staios wants to keep 1-2 million in flexibility for the deadline/in season moves. Where we might get creative is if we give giroux a bonus based deal as that allows us to get a 5-6 million dollar forward. Just put something together quickly below. Can sub out mantha for mangiapane/hall/reilly smith/nyquist. If we go for the bonus contract on Giroux, then we can target someone in a trade since there really isnt a tier of a forward above the 5 players i listed but below the big names.

I expect our aggressive offseason to be going into the 26/27 season when we will have a lot more cap space to work with and will have more veterans as FA's (perron and jensen)

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It really isn't, I know defence is a more important position than winger, but we have had some trouble with 5v5 scoring this year, and Peterka is still a young guy with room to grow.

Plus in our prospect system we have Yakemchuk with potential to be as good or better than Zub, meanwhile our forward pool is almost totally barren.
I think you have to give more time to see what the additions of Cozens and Zetterlund do for our 5v5 scoring before you go out and flip a top 4 dman for an additional forward. Staios said that one of the biggest reasons he traded for Cozens was to help the 5v5 scoring. And since they've traded for him they have gotten better in that regard.
 
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I'm not sure who Yak could play with on our current team in a top 4 role in the next few years.

Him and Chabot would make people want to tear their hair out.

Him and Sanderson would be a trainwreck because Yak is the polar opposite of a guy you want defending top players.

I don't think we see Yak in a top 4 role with the Sens until Chabot is out the door, and probably not for another 3+ years.

When he gets here, and I don't think it's going to be at the start of next season, he's going to be a very sheltered 13 minute a night guy who may get some PP2 time, and I'm not sure how long it will take to move up to a more pronounced role without significant roster rejuggling
IMO, Yakemchuk plays a very similar game to Jensen (at least at the NHL level), so I could see him pairing really well with Chabot in the future. A tougher, more skilled Jensen with a cannon.

However, I do think Sanderson-Yakemchuk is our future top pairing, and I don't know if top pairings get better than that. So a Chabot-Zub second pairing is gravy.
 
IMO, Yakemchuk plays a very similar game to Jensen (at least at the NHL level), so I could see him pairing really well with Chabot in the future. A tougher, more skilled Jensen with a cannon.

However, I do think Sanderson-Yakemchuk is our future top pairing, and I don't know if top pairings get better than that. So a Chabot-Zub second pairing is gravy.
He is so far from what Jensen is, they play almost nothing alike. Nearly polar opposites
 
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IMO, Yakemchuk plays a very similar game to Jensen (at least at the NHL level), so I could see him pairing really well with Chabot in the future. A tougher, more skilled Jensen with a cannon.

However, I do think Sanderson-Yakemchuk is our future top pairing, and I don't know if top pairings get better than that. So a Chabot-Zub second pairing is gravy.
Jensen is all hockey sense and speed, Yak is raw skill and size. Not seeing the comparison here.

And I don’t think Sanderson - Yakemchuk will ever make much sense as a pairing honestly. In a perfect world where Yak develops well you want him to have the puck, so he will drive his own pairing. And you give Sanderson a reliable D partner that can handle tough matchups because he’s the one that will be taking them.
 
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This is after trading Zub for JJ

I don't think this is realistic.

They aren't trading Zub for Peterka.

Peterka is available apparently over fear of him testing free agency for an offer sheet. If that's the case, he isn't signing for 4.5M.

I also don't think Green would roll with that inexperienced of a D core. Even if he loved Yak in the preseason, having him play 18-23 minutes a night in preseason is different than regular season. Is it possible Yak could grab the brass ring and cement himself as a top 4D next year? Maybe. But I don't think they will want to craft a situation where they need him to do that or else the team doesn't have a proper backend. They will want him to force their hand.
 
Is 4.5M x 5 years your guess on a Peterka contract?

He’s pacing 68 points this year and Buffalo needs to keep him. He’s one of their best forwards.

He’ll be looking at 7M+ minimum with the cap going up to 115M in 2 years. Probably closer to 7.5M or even 8 in Buffalo.

You’re plugging him in there and deciding how much you give him based on how much cap space we’ll have available. Doesn’t work like that players are paid based on market value.

Besides, sacrificing defense for offense is not a good idea. We’ve seen a lot of that in the past 7 years.

The only way he is getting 4.5M is if an offer sheet doesn't materialize and it's a 1 year deal. He also probably isn't signing that as a function of a trade and a team isn't going to trade big assets for him if that's all they can do because they risk another team coming in and beating the offer with an offer sheet.

We aren't trading for Peterka. He is going to get 7M to 8M from someone. I don't think Buffalo will get the return people expect if they trade him, but I think it's doubtful we have the assets let alone the cap flexibility to acquire him.
 
I'd leave the forwards and D alone for now. We have a roster that needs a chance to play to see how deep they can go with all cylinders firing.

Having said that, as Perron, Giroux, Jensen age out in the next year or two, Staios needs to find those value bargain bin moves (the way Fabbro was acquired by CBJ and is now excelling). There needs to be some smart signings for guys that can be a part of the future.
 
What's funny is that we had Kastelic and Kelly.

Cousins is the right kind of guy I think. MacEwan looked good earlier in the season but it may have just been a small sample.

We need physical, but still fast enough to keep up with the play. We want pests, but not to the point of taking too many penalties on the 4th line. We need energy, but not at the expense of solid team defence.

It's trickier than it looks.
Cousins and amadio on the fourth line would be primo.
Cousins-lazar-amadio.

Cousins Jenik Amadio.

Allows zetterlund and giroux to get slotted different in the top 9
 
It really isn't, I know defence is a more important position than winger, but we have had some trouble with 5v5 scoring this year, and Peterka is still a young guy with room to grow.

Plus in our prospect system we have Yakemchuk with potential to be as good or better than Zub, meanwhile our forward pool is almost totally barren.
There’s 2 parties involved in any trade. So, the first step or question has to be do both potential trading partners actually want to do the trade.? I don’t know if Buffalo would like or would entertain moving Peterka or not, but I do know if they are not interested, there’s little (or no) merit in talking about it.

IIRC, there was something floating around pre TDL about that, but as we can now all see, Peterka was not moved this TDL. There’s lot of stuff floating around especially prior to a TDL, but its hard to know what is just a media guy speculating versus substantial talks between 2 teams about a trade. From what I recall, and based on my reading/research, Buffalo shot down the idea of trading Peterka. You can see why quite easily. He’s young, he’s good and Buffalo is rebuilding. That seems like a player that is unlikely to move under normal (& most) circumstances.

Again, I’m not pretending to have inside knowledge. I’m just using what I read, what ultimately transpired (this TDL) & common sense. I’ve been wrong before, so there’s always that I suppose.
 
We have 10 top 9 forwards right now. We have to start thinking about a post-Perron/Giroux timeline but we aren’t exactly in a bad position there.

If you trade Zub, then Jensen walks next year or retires, and Yak needs more time, you basically have nothing on the right side. And that’s a position that’s really hard to fill.

It is definitely a Dorion move.
It took us a few years to make the moves to stabilize our blueline. We talked about it ad-nauseam for years in here.

I get that 5 v 5 scoring has been an issue this year. But, it seems like we gain something by adding a scoring winger while losing something important by moving a decent/good RD defender. I’d be wary that there is actual net gain in this scenario.
 
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I will never understand guys that want to trade Zub.

Yeah, let's get rid of the guy that is top 15 in the league in relative goal%. That sounds smart.
Zub to me is a part of the core and is our 2nd most important defender. Good shutdown RD are so hard to find and Zub let's us bring out the best in his partner. Its so much harder to find what he brings to the table than whatever we're looking to acquire by moving him.
 
There’s 2 parties involved in any trade. So, the first step or question has to be do both potential trading partners actually want to do the trade.? I don’t know if Buffalo would like or would entertain moving Peterka or not, but I do know if they are not interested, there’s little (or no) merit in talking about it.

IIRC, there was something floating around pre TDL about that, but as we can now all see, Peterka was not moved this TDL. There’s lot of stuff floating around especially prior to a TDL, but its hard to know what is just a media guy speculating versus substantial talks between 2 teams about a trade. From what I recall, and based on my reading/research, Buffalo shot down the idea of trading Peterka. You can see why quite easily. He’s young, he’s good and Buffalo is rebuilding. That seems like a player that is unlikely to move under normal (& most) circumstances.

Again, I’m not pretending to have inside knowledge. I’m just using what I read, what ultimately transpired (this TDL) & common sense. I’ve been wrong before, so there’s always that I suppose.
Seravalli insinuated Peterka is unhappy in Buffalo and would wait for an offer sheet, but a Buffalo beat reporter said that Buffalo would match any offer sheet.

It was probably just his agent trying to gain some leverage in negotiations honestly. I think he will be re-signed when it’s all said and done.
 
i dont expect that many changes with the team. Unless Perron asks for a move I do not see us trading him (especially since he has a 15 team no trade clause) but i expect him to move down the depth chart. I do not see us throwing Yak into the lineup unless he flat out earns it over Matinpalo. If we give Giroux a regular contract then i expect we can add a forward in the 3 ish million range since there was a report earlier that Staios wants to keep 1-2 million in flexibility for the deadline/in season moves. Where we might get creative is if we give giroux a bonus based deal as that allows us to get a 5-6 million dollar forward. Just put something together quickly below. Can sub out mantha for mangiapane/hall/reilly smith/nyquist. If we go for the bonus contract on Giroux, then we can target someone in a trade since there really isnt a tier of a forward above the 5 players i listed but below the big names.

I expect our aggressive offseason to be going into the 26/27 season when we will have a lot more cap space to work with and will have more veterans as FA's (perron and jensen)

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I don't see how there is room for Perron and Giroux on the team next year, and certainly not with both in the bottom 6. I really think Zetterlund was the top 6 acquisition and will get a real opportunity with Brady and Stu next season (he plays RW). Perron/Giroux/Greig will be the LWers on lines 2 - 4, Amadio RW on L3 with Pinto. I find it more likely Staios targets a 4th line center and winger next season and don't believe that Cousins will be back. I envision targets like Trent Fredric, Justin Brazeau, Radek Faksa, maybe Mason Appleton, Nick Bjugstad, Nic Dowd, Curtis Lazar (?!?!), Taylor Raddysh, Colin Blackwell, Tanner Jeannot...
 
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Seravalli insinuated Peterka is unhappy in Buffalo and would wait for an offer sheet, but a Buffalo beat reporter said that Buffalo would match any offer sheet.

It was probably just his agent trying to gain some leverage in negotiations honestly. I think he will be re-signed when it’s all said and done.
Yes, agreed. I read more recently that Buffalo was getting calls on Peterka, but the Sabres shut it down and said he’s not available. I would also guess that Peterka would be re-signed by Buffalo. It seems what didn’t happen at the TDL is being under emphasized by some posters versus pre-TDL events.
 
I don't see how there is room for Perron and Giroux on the team next year, and certainly not with both in the bottom 6. I really think Zetterlund was the top 6 acquisition and will get a real opportunity with Brady and Stu next season (he plays RW). Perron/Giroux/Greig will be the LWers on lines 2 - 4, Amadio RW on L3 with Pinto. I find it more likely Staios targets a 4th line center and winger next season and don't believe that Cousins will be back. I envision targets like Trent Fredric, Justin Brazeau, Radek Faksa, maybe Mason Appleton, Nick Bjugstad, Nic Dowd, Curtis Lazar (?!?!), Taylor Raddysh, Colin Blackwell, Tanner Jeannot...
Cousins is interchangeable with other pieces. I just put cousins there to kind of lock down a spot. It could just as easily be Greig on the wing and then we get a center like you are saying for line 4.

The one thing i will say is in Staios' first offseason he made moves to add a heavy veteran influence to the team. Amadio, Perron, Cousins, Jensen (was kind of in a bind here), keeping Hamonic and Ullmark. 5 of those players got added onto Giroux in terms of veteran influence.

I dont see the team walking away from the veterans easily. I also dont see the team not bringing back Giroux unless Giroux says he is going somewhere else. Thats my opinion anyways.
 
Peterka at 4.5 on a 5 year deal is insane lol you’re about 2-3 millions off
I would guess that Buffalo would do the same kind thing we did with Brady, Stutzle, & Sanderson, namely a max term deal at the best AAV they can negotiate with his agent. So, in summary, I tend to agree with your post.
 
Cousins is interchangeable with other pieces. I just put cousins there to kind of lock down a spot. It could just as easily be Greig on the wing and then we get a center like you are saying for line 4.

The one thing i will say is in Staios' first offseason he made moves to add a heavy veteran influence to the team. Amadio, Perron, Cousins, Jensen (was kind of in a bind here), keeping Hamonic and Ullmark. 5 of those players got added onto Giroux in terms of veteran influence.

I dont see the team walking away from the veterans easily. I also dont see the team not bringing back Giroux unless Giroux says he is going somewhere else. Thats my opinion anyways.

I think Cousins probably moves on but maybe not now that our bottom 6 forward depth is somewhat depleted with Ostapchuk gone. I agree that Giroux has a spot on the team if he wants it. Hamonic is done.

I think Staios would be open to getting rid of Perron but may be hesitant to do so for a couple of reasons:

1) He's playing a lot better lately.
2) Perron has been through a lot personally this year and I think Staios will respect that try to do right by a veteran player who signed here as a UFA.

My lineup for next year:

Tkachuk - Stü - Batherson
Zetts/Greig - Cozens - Giroux
Zetts/Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Reinhardt - UFA - MacEwen/Jenik/ UFA

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - Matinpalo
Yak (first callup on RD)
Gilbert (first callup on LD)

I think we need to start building up Belleville again. I could see Montgomery joining them next year. We don't have that much more coming next from our own drafts. It will be a challenge, IMO.
 

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