Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Unless we are buying out Perron (very doubtful), not sure we'll have the cap space to acquire another top 9 forward after Giroux, Zetterlund and Kleven get their new deals.

The cap is going up by about 7 million next year. That should be Giroux and Zetterlund right there. 3 + 4.5

We will then have Forsberg's 2.75 off (let's say that's Kleven's), Giroux's 6.5 off, Zetter's 1.45 and we gotta find a way to move Perron, he is not needed at all. Thats another 4.5, even if we take back a little salary for our 4th line C.

We will have the opportunity to add a big name forward. And we need to. We will likely barely squeeze in, the east is only getting harder, we will need to bolster our team even more.

Our defense is set:

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Jensen
Kleven-Mantipalo
Sebrango-Guenette

I think that’s overkill on forwards honestly. Outside of fixing the fourth line if they are going to add money anywhere I’d hope they look at the D.

Then in a year you can look at a forward to replace Perron if needed.

Not at all. Giroux is declining hard. Perron as well. They're both 37 next year losing major footspeed.

 

[Cosmix]

I sense that Matinpalo has some level of nasty in him that we haven't grown to appreciate yet.

Nor seen yet!

 

[Cosmix]

While I think Staois might re-sign Gilbert as the 7th D for next season, IMO Hamonic is better than he is, but doesn't fight any more. Gilbert will fight, but he's not a good D & will certainly be criticized.

Neither Gilbert nor Hamonic is what we need on D. We need a big, tough, physical, mean defenceman who likes to hit hard. All of our current D are soft. It's a team weakness that needs to be addressed asap.

I also would like to see a big, tough, physical 4th line forward who can fight and relishes the policeman role.

 

[Hale The Villain]

The cap is going up by about 7 million next year. That should be Giroux and Zetterlund right there. 3 + 4.5

We will then have Forsberg's 2.75 off (let's say that's Kleven's), Giroux's 6.5 off, Zetter's 1.45 and we gotta find a way to move Perron, he is not needed at all. Thats another 4.5, even if we take back a little salary for our 4th line C.

We will have the opportunity to add a big name forward. And we need to. We will likely barely squeeze in, the east is only getting harder, we will need to bolster our team even more.

Our defense is set:

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Jensen
Kleven-Mantipalo
Sebrango-Guenette


Not at all. Giroux is declining hard. Perron as well. They're both 37 next year losing major footspeed.

Giroux isn't going to sign for 3 million dollars. That's 25% less than what Perron got this past off-season and he's obviously much better.

Both Giroux and Zetterlund are probably looking for 4.5-5M, with Zetterlund getting more term given his age. I imagine we're also looking at giving Kleven a Greig-type extension (3-3.5M x 4-5YRs), but we could bridge him if need be.

As it stands now we have 77M committed for next season, which leaves us with about 18.5M in cap to re-sign Giroux, Zetterlund, Kleven, Merilainen, Matinpalo + add two forwards for the 4th line + a spare at both forward and D.

Giroux: 4.5M x 2YRs
Zetterlund: 4.5M x 4YRs
Kleven: 2M x 2YRs
Merilainen: 1.1M x 1YR
Matinpalo: 0.9M x 1YR

That's 13M, which leaves 5.5M to add an additional 3 depth forwards and 1 defenseman. Enough to fill out the roster, but definitely not enough to go big name hunting.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Neither Gilbert nor Hamonic is what we need on D. We need a big, tough, physical, mean defenceman who likes to hit hard. All of our current D are soft. It's a team weakness that needs to be addressed asap.

I also would like to see a big, tough, physical 4th line forward who can fight and relishes the policeman role.

For who?

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Jensen
Kleven-Manti

That 3rd pairing will only get much better and more physical. The rest is fixed. Jensen playing terrific. Zub is excellent complementary to Sandy.

Only thing I can think of is Chabot for Pelech or Romanov type deal to alter our defense and transform it to be physical. Other than that, can't think of anything.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Giroux isn't going to sign for 3 million dollars. That's 25% less than what Perron got this past off-season and he's obviously much better.

Both Giroux and Zetterlund are probably looking for 4.5-5M, with Zetterlund getting more term given his age. I imagine we're also looking at giving Kleven a Greig-type extension (3-3.5M x 4-5YRs), but we could bridge him if need be.

As it stands now we have 77M committed for next season, which leaves us with about 18.5M in cap to re-sign Giroux, Zetterlund, Kleven, Merilainen, Matinpalo + add two forwards for the 4th line + a spare at both forward and D.

Giroux: 4.5M x 2YRs
Zetterlund: 4.5M x 4YRs
Kleven: 2M x 2YRs
Merilainen: 1.1M x 1YR
Matinpalo: 0.9M x 1YR

That's 13M, which leaves 5.5M to add an additional 3 depth forwards and 1 defenseman. Enough to fill out the roster, but definitely not enough to go big name hunting.

I personally don't see Giroux at 4.5. I see him signing 3 + bonuses that will get him to that but he'll help the team.

And I don't see this team successful at all with both Giroux AND Perron on the roster. Perron has to go and I can guarantee we will do what we can to move him.

Having 2 37 year olds that have lost their footspeed and will be collective 9 million is horrificcccc allocation of money.

I love Giroux to death, but look at Tampa, they let their heart and soul captain who came off 40 goal, 81 point season go for a better fit for the team. We gotta do that. We can keep Giroux, but we gotta do some gymnastics.

 

[Cosmix]

For who?

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Jensen
Kleven-Manti

That 3rd pairing will only get much better and more physical. The rest is fixed. Jensen playing terrific. Zub is excellent complementary to Sandy.

Only thing I can think of is Chabot for Pelech or Romanov type deal to alter our defense and transform it to be physical. Other than that, can't think of anything.

I am hoping Kleven starts to play bigger, tougher and more physical given his size and this being his first year in the league. I am also hoping Matinpalo starts playing bigger, tougher and more physical too. But if they don't I want a bigger tougher meaner defenceman. Neither is doing it now.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

What happens with Zetterlund depends on how he is used. I don't think they gave up Ostapchuk and a 2nd to use him on the 4th line, but if down the stretch that is what happens, I can't see a long term deal.

We're not paying a 4th liner the kind of money Zetterlund should command based on his past two seasons, and I don't think it makes sense to expect Zetterlund to give up term in a scenario where we demonstrate we are going to sabotage his big payday by using him as a 4th liner after he scored 20 goals twice. In that scenario, I could see a 1-year 4M type contract via arbitration, and both sides re-assess next season based on how he fits.

If the opposite happens and he is used in a bigger role down the stretch this season, I'd expect something around 5 million with term. Anywhere from 4.5M-5.5M.

The way I look at the extension is that with the rising cap he was probably a 6M+ player in San Jose, but because it was in San Jose no team is giving him that money without him proving he is that player on a playoff team. There are always players who position themselves with a good statistical argument to get paid based on being played on a rebuilding team well above where they would slot anywhere else. Call it the Ceci-Conundrum. That's why I'd see him coming in lower on a long-term extension if it is signed now or in the summer.

Look at the Pinto and Greig contracts and consider those are RFA contracts, and Greig is making about 4M for his arb-RFA years. Even if you put both of them above Zetterlund, a Zetterlund contract will buy up almost all UFA years. 5M doesn't seem that outlandish for a big physical 2nd line winger.

 

[Micklebot]

Staios is just playing 3d chess, Zetterlund is on the 4th line to decrease his negotiating position on his next contract

 

[Cosmix]

Giroux isn't going to sign for 3 million dollars. That's 25% less than what Perron got this past off-season and he's obviously much better.

Both Giroux and Zetterlund are probably looking for 4.5-5M, with Zetterlund getting more term given his age. I imagine we're also looking at giving Kleven a Greig-type extension (3-3.5M x 4-5YRs), but we could bridge him if need be.

As it stands now we have 77M committed for next season, which leaves us with about 18.5M in cap to re-sign Giroux, Zetterlund, Kleven, Merilainen, Matinpalo + add two forwards for the 4th line + a spare at both forward and D.

Giroux: 4.5M x 2YRs
Zetterlund: 4.5M x 4YRs
Kleven: 2M x 2YRs
Merilainen: 1.1M x 1YR
Matinpalo: 0.9M x 1YR

That's 13M, which leaves 5.5M to add an additional 3 depth forwards and 1 defenseman. Enough to fill out the roster, but definitely not enough to go big name hunting.

Bridging is an excellent way to keep salary costs down and only pay more when it is necessary to do so to a player who has earned the higher salary.

Staios is just playing 3d chess, Zetterlund is on the 4th line to decrease his negotiating position on his next contract

Might even send him to the AHL for conditioning too.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I personally don't see Giroux at 4.5. I see him signing 3 + bonuses that will get him to that but he'll help the team.

And I don't see this team successful at all with both Giroux AND Perron on the roster. Perron has to go and I can guarantee we will do what we can to move him.

Having 2 37 year olds that have lost their footspeed and will be collective 9 million is horrificcccc allocation of money.

I love Giroux to death, but look at Tampa, they let their heart and soul captain who came off 40 goal, 81 point season go for a better fit for the team. We gotta do that. We can keep Giroux, but we gotta do some gymnastics.

Ok I see what you mean. Something like 3M + bonuses is a possibility, but I'm still not sure we're spend right up to the cap and carry a bonus overage into next season.

 

[DrEasy]

I personally don't see Giroux at 4.5. I see him signing 3 + bonuses that will get him to that but he'll help the team.

And I don't see this team successful at all with both Giroux AND Perron on the roster. Perron has to go and I can guarantee we will do what we can to move him.

Having 2 37 year olds that have lost their footspeed and will be collective 9 million is horrificcccc allocation of money.

I love Giroux to death, but look at Tampa, they let their heart and soul captain who came off 40 goal, 81 point season go for a better fit for the team. We gotta do that. We can keep Giroux, but we gotta do some gymnastics.

Perron is under contract for next season, while Giroux isn't. I agree with what you said about sentimentality, and so: time to let Giroux go and upgrade. Perron's turn will come a year later.

 

[GCK]

I think Staios re-jigs the D to get bigger and more physical. I imagine he will offer Cousins another year and look for a big fast guy for the 4th line.

I could see us taking on Dumba and a good pick for a guy like Guenette. Mantipalo would be our 7th D.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Giroux might actually be a situation where 35+ performance bonuses make sense for their actual intended purpose of ensuring his pay is in line with what he brings on the ice, and not to circumvent the cap ceiling with paper bonuses he will obviously hit like 5GP.

At a similar age to Giroux, Pavelski signed a 1 year 3.5M contract with Dallas. I don't expect Giroux that cheap, but I don't think he is in a position at his age to command the same AAV he had on his original contract in Ottawa.

Looking at our internal comparable contracts, Perron sets the floor for Giroux. They pretty much have to give Giroux a bit more than Perron unless Giroux openly volunteers to take a discount. That's why the 4.5M x 2Y rumour that was floated in this thread a while ago makes sense to me, although I am not crazy about 2 years of term.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Nor seen yet!

Not entirely true. He had some feisty moments at the 4 nations. He definitely pushes back and gets some fire in his eyes. To be determined for me if it's a legit mean streak or not.

Won't fight but I think as he carves out his role we'll see that he's not afraid to take and give a gloved punch or two when our crease is swarmed, which counts for something in those rough games or series.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I think Staios re-jigs the D to get bigger and more physical. I imagine he will offer Cousins another year and look for a big fast guy for the 4th line.

I could see us taking on Dumba and a good pick for a guy like Guenette. Mantipalo would be our 7th D.

There was talk that Grier was trying to spin the Zetterlund trade into a big package deal for Norris.

I wonder if Mario Ferraro was one of the names involved. If he is open to re-signing in Ottawa, I wonder if they would revisit him in the summer.

Maybe something like Chabot for Ferraro and picks+prospects. It would upset people with how Chabot is playing, but Jensen isn't going to be here forever and the value of Chabot at 9.5M in real dollars is diminished when we have Sanderson to man the top PP unit.

I'm convinced that Staios is going to dismantle Dorion's build one piece at a team, with the exception of the few guys who fit the mould of the kind of team he is trying to build. It doesn't seem like he has looked at what Dorion gave him and said I will fill in the blanks and build a team around the Dorion's idea of what it should be on the ice and culturally in the room, it looks like he looked at Dorion's team and said my idea of what the team should be is x, so anybody who doesn't fit that mould is getting traded, even if they are a good player on paper (see Chychrun for Jensen, which most would consider a huge downgrade on paper, but was an upgrade in terms of fit).

 

[DackellDuck]

There was talk that Grier was trying to spin the Zetterlund trade into a big package deal for Norris.

I wonder if Mario Ferraro was one of the names involved. If he is open to re-signing in Ottawa, I wonder if they would revisit him in the summer.

Maybe something like Chabot for Ferraro and picks+prospects. It would upset people with how Chabot is playing, but Jensen isn't going to be here forever and the value of Chabot at 9.5M in real dollars is diminished when we have Sanderson to man the top PP unit.

I'm convinced that Staios is going to dismantle Dorion's build one piece at a team, with the exception of the few guys who fit the mould of the kind of team he is trying to build. It doesn't seem like he has looked at what Dorion gave him and said I will fill in the blanks and build a team around the Dorion's idea of what it should be on the ice and culturally in the room, it looks like he looked at Dorion's team and said my idea of what the team should be is x, so anybody who doesn't fit that mould is getting traded, even if they are a good player on paper (see Chychrun for Jensen, which most would consider a huge downgrade on paper, but was an upgrade in terms of fit).

Chabot is going nowhere. He’s the Quebec City ambassador.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Chabot is going nowhere. He’s the Quebec City ambassador.

That's Chabot under that lion costume?

 

[Masked]

That's Chabot under that lion costume?

More likely Dorion trying to sneak back into an NHL job.