frightenedinmatenum2
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I saw the video of him deadlifting, that's all I need to okay an 8x8 extension.
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I saw the video of him deadlifting, that's all I need to okay an 8x8 extension.
Ostapchuks hands are fine at the OHL level and looked fine in the NHL through the neutral zone with some space.
Nick Paul did not have hands he was just gangly as f***.
He had that one shootout where he completely undressed the goalie and that clip did a lot of heavy lifting for him.
Great player tho. Ostapchuk has that potential
Looks like we can still fit him in with 14k to spare.... is that a coincidence?
Sens of Anarchy
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Sorry to lose him but .. its a great place for him to land
Sens of Anarchy
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I’d take Ostapchuk over Paul for sure if you looked at them at the same age.
Ostapchuk plays a style that typically translates better in the NHL and the physicality he plays with allows him to be effective in different ways. Both are cerebral players but Ostapchuk will run you while Paul will play the puck/angling off the puck.
Paul is a great player but I take Ostapchuk everyday and I fully expect him to be a Lowry type player in 2-3 years.
Grier did way better on this trade than people would like to admit because they just have no clue who Ostapchuk is, what kind of player he is right now or what he projects to be.
To me this was a good trade for both teams. Value-wise we gave up at least a late 1st type value and wingers are easier to find than gritty match-up type centers.
For us obviously Zetterlund is the player we need right now.
Ostapchuk plays a style that typically translates better in the NHL and the physicality he plays with allows him to be effective in different ways. Both are cerebral players but Ostapchuk will run you while Paul will play the puck/angling off the puck.
Paul is a great player but I take Ostapchuk everyday and I fully expect him to be a Lowry type player in 2-3 years.
Grier did way better on this trade than people would like to admit because they just have no clue who Ostapchuk is, what kind of player he is right now or what he projects to be.
To me this was a good trade for both teams. Value-wise we gave up at least a late 1st type value and wingers are easier to find than gritty match-up type centers.
For us obviously Zetterlund is the player we need right now.
Do we call up someone like MacEwen now that he's back in the lineup in the AHL?
Otherwise we will have to go with 11-7 again tomorrow if Zetterlund can't make it.
Otherwise we will have to go with 11-7 again tomorrow if Zetterlund can't make it.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Joseph will be playing in Switzerland and some people will still be lamenting his loss.
The love affair for this guy is insane. He’s a marginal NHLer.
The love affair for this guy is insane. He’s a marginal NHLer.
frightenedinmatenum2
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Stop trying to defend Staios for giving up a 90 point player.
*(90 points based on his pace over 11 games in 2022.)
frightenedinmatenum2
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The Joseph move was proven to be the right move.
If people want to argue that Amadio or Perron weren't the right guys to use the cap space on, I think that needs to be looked at separate from the move. With that said, I think a lot of people underrate the circumstances surrounding Perron this season, and the value he might bring in the room.
The leadership he was brought in for will be needed in the xoming days for sure - he, Giroux, Amadio, even Jensen need to remind the young guys lamenting the loss of Norris what they're all there for and that this is part of the business.
On another note, Staios gave a good presser at the end of the day.
Ouroboros
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People were just getting over Rudy Balcers, and then Staios dropped this bomb on them. It's a lot to process.
DJB
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It’s interesting to me we acquired two right hand shot players . Always a need for those guys
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Of course it's very unlikely but if we could ever sign Nikolaj Ehlers as a UFA, this team could be really set. I think that'd require to move both Perron and Amadio but :
Zetterlund - Stutzle - Ehlers
Tkachuk - Pinto - Cozens
Giroux - Greig - Batherson
Reinhardt - Gaudette - Cousins
MacEwen
Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - Matinpalo
Guenette
Ullmark
Merilainen
Contender? Ehlers just turned 29 so 8 years would bring him to 37 years old, which is risky, particularly with him having been injury prone in the past. But if we want to attract a player of that caliber, we'd have to take a huge risk and pay him something like 8 x 8. I just did this on puckpedia and it would fit (Giroux at 3.5 though and Kleven at 2.2, Matinpalo at 1.1). Not sure if possible or how much it would cost to move Perron and Amadio but this Top-9 is absolute FIRE
Sorry for bringing it back but there's still the 1st round pick to forfeit and an absolutely dreadful prospect pool that should take years to rebuild. But I get what you're saying, Staios is progressively removing the Dorion's stink. It was always going to be an extremely hard job, which is incredible when you're in the middle of a rebuild, Dorion had the easy parts and still messed up.
I'm in the camp that doesn't see it with Ostapchuk. I think he won't pace for more than 20 pts in many seasons, maybe a few times like Curtis Lazar for example. A guy like Nick Paul was a late bloomer and is completely in another tier that I can't see Ostapchuk reaching at the NHL level.
I think we killed it with this trade because Zetterlund is RFA and unless his asks are unreasonable, we could hold unto that player for years. We only gave up a mid 2nd round pick and a young 4th line Center to get him.
Zetterlund - Stutzle - Ehlers
Tkachuk - Pinto - Cozens
Giroux - Greig - Batherson
Reinhardt - Gaudette - Cousins
MacEwen
Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - Matinpalo
Guenette
Ullmark
Merilainen
Contender? Ehlers just turned 29 so 8 years would bring him to 37 years old, which is risky, particularly with him having been injury prone in the past. But if we want to attract a player of that caliber, we'd have to take a huge risk and pay him something like 8 x 8. I just did this on puckpedia and it would fit (Giroux at 3.5 though and Kleven at 2.2, Matinpalo at 1.1). Not sure if possible or how much it would cost to move Perron and Amadio but this Top-9 is absolute FIRE
Sorry for bringing it back but there's still the 1st round pick to forfeit and an absolutely dreadful prospect pool that should take years to rebuild. But I get what you're saying, Staios is progressively removing the Dorion's stink. It was always going to be an extremely hard job, which is incredible when you're in the middle of a rebuild, Dorion had the easy parts and still messed up.
I'm in the camp that doesn't see it with Ostapchuk. I think he won't pace for more than 20 pts in many seasons, maybe a few times like Curtis Lazar for example. A guy like Nick Paul was a late bloomer and is completely in another tier that I can't see Ostapchuk reaching at the NHL level.
I think we killed it with this trade because Zetterlund is RFA and unless his asks are unreasonable, we could hold unto that player for years. We only gave up a mid 2nd round pick and a young 4th line Center to get him.
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LeProspector
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I think the NHL reinstates the 1st round pick, or a compromise comes into effect where the Sens have to trade it.
Xspyrit
DJ Dorion
I don't see why he wouldn't be able to rebound next season. Connor Brown only had 12 pts in 71 games last season (and many were calling him finished) but he is rebounding nicely this year and has 23 pts in 61 games.
Since he's in St-Louis, I haven't followed Joseph much this season but what I see is that when he came back from injury, he went 23 games without scoring a point, the rest of the season he has 10 pts in 23 games. Not sure what was ailing him or if it was also off-ice problems at the same time but that's about when his brother also got traded
He was a good 3rd liner for us and remember what we gave up to get him, Nick Paul should have gotten that 3.15 x 7 years contract from Ottawa... but our superstar GM didn't think it would have been a good idea.
That said, MJ probably HAD TO be gone for off-ice reasons but I didn't like the fact that we gave up a 3rd to move him. It's done anyway and Amadio replaces him for the same price (no PK though and less production than MJ had in Ottawa but overall not a huge loss)
But disagree that "he’s a marginal NHLer". Just in his rookie season, he scored 13 goals and 26 pts in just 70 games from the 4th line (only 10:27 per game and very little PP time). He struggled in his sophomore season and only played 37 games but in the following 4 seasons, he paced for 25-40 pts every season, which is excellent 3rd line production, while being one of the most efficient PK forwards in the whole league. No "marginal NHLer" ever did anything close to that
I'll repeat for people who don't know what you're referring to but Balcers actually had 2 solid seasons in SJ and pretty good 2-way metrics which is INFINITELY better than the sad stack of hockey players Pierre Dorion hired instead. It was not the biggest move but still a CLEAR indication than he had no idea what he was doing.
The more obvious and bigger moves were Nick Paul, Connor Brown, Dylan DeMelo, Filip Gustavsson and so many other pro hockey decisions made by the worst NHL GM of all time. Literally stupid decision after stupid decision and waiving a 22 y/o prospect during a rebuild instead of Artem Anisimov, Alex Galchenyuk or Cedric Paquette was also braindead stuff. Joseph would fall more in the "medium moves" pile so not as big as the names above but still a more consequential move than Balcers. That said, Staios at least replaced him with a competent player and there might have been some other motives behind the move, contrary to whatever Dorion was doing.
I became heavily irritated by everything Dorion was touching and time gave me 100% support. His PRO SCOUTING and ASSET MANAGEMENT was actually inexistant and it almost FAILED the rebuild. The team sale came just in time but still a few years too late.
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That wouldn't make any sense.
If they get to keep it, they would be able to do whatever they want. At this stage, I don't think Gary is going to do us any favour's.
Joseph wasn’t good. He was good for the first half of last season and went back to his regular form in the last 40 games where he produced nothing.
He was awful the year before.
So we gave him a 4 yr deal for 2.75 mil and he was bad for 75% of it (83% after this season) and people’s perception of him is living off that other 25% and the 10 games he played here when he got traded.
Just a good skater and tenacious so he looks good sometimes, but he didn’t actually accomplish much of anything out there.
Connor Brown’s career has consisted of him being a solid 3rd liner throughout. His bad season was the outlier. For Joseph, the good portions of his seasons (because he has never had a single solid season all around) is the outlier.
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Joseph was extremely overrated by Sens fans.
Xspyrit
DJ Dorion
You're saying he was inconsistent... which is a similar characteristic to pretty much all bottom-6 forwards. I don't like to deal in subjectives, it's up in the air for interpretation which could be left, right or center depending on your angle vs the sun. So in the end, FACTS matters.
0.37, 0.19, 0.34, 0.43, 0.32, 0.49 were his PPGs despite limited ice-time in Tampa Bay. Very solid PK metrics and good defensive metrics as well.
So maybe you didn't like his game or whatever, OK no problem. But in the end, he had a 0.47 PPG in Ottawa, which is 39 pts per 82 games. Those are black and white stats, you can't really take it away from him, as much as you disliked him. So I don't think 2.95 (not 2.75) was too much for that kind of production and PK work as well.
And yeah, what made him a NHL player is obviously his speed and tenacity (reasons he excelled on the PK). Like the majority of players, he has some above average qualities that make him a NHL player, which is also why players who don't have any special qualities normally don't tend to last.
Connor Brown was a tier ABOVE Joseph when he was in Ottawa, although his PK metrics weren't as good but fully healthy he was the better player. Nothing outrageous here.
I identified early Nick Paul, Connor Brown and Dylan DeMelo as players who should have stayed a long time with Ottawa. Unfortunately, our incredible GM had other plans.
The NHL is chock-full of players who get more ice time than they deserve on bad teams and therefore their stats make them look better than they are. Balcers was another one of those.
Just look at his ice time in Tampa and STL vs here. He’s not a player teams rely on if they aren’t in the basement of the NHL.
Xspyrit
DJ Dorion
But we were also a basement team... Dorion thought "ok I can't just have young players playing" which was the right thought but the problem is he had guys like Artem Anisimov, Alex Galchenyuk, Cedric Paquette, etc playing instead...
Balcers was injury prone and maybe not strong enough for the NHL but his play with and without the puck was good, Sharks fans liked him. He was a placeholder for Grier who wanted a lineup with more muscle as he was rebuilding. I would have gladly watched Balcers try to prove himself in the NHL instead of Cedric "f*** I don't want to be in Ottawa" Paquette.
And I'm a bit confused, you seem to talk about him and Joseph at the same time lol
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