Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[bicboi64]

Tanev is scoring at a 24 point pace and can play on the PK. Wonder what he'll go for. Best Ottawa could offer is a 3rd and JBD

 

[Boud]

Tanev is scoring at a 24 point pace and can play on the PK. Wonder what he'll go for. Best Ottawa could offer is a 3rd and JBD

He plays hard and teams are always looking for that type of player. Plus, he can play around the lineup.

I think he goes for a 2nd from a contender.

Like you said unless Seattle is interested in JBD it might be tough to make it happen on top of his NTC.

 

[Big Muddy]

Yeah, the problem imo is the lack of superstars and lack of depth.

Maybe if you have injury prone players but a few superstars that can take over a game regularly it doesn’t matter so much. When Matthews gets hurt in Toronto they keep things moving because Marner and Nylander can pick up the slack. Alternatively if you have a lot of depth, those players can take on bigger roles that help you win.

We don’t have either. It’ll only work if some of our players elevate, we get more in our system or we gain enough cap space to fix the depth. Or all of the above.

I agree but would add and/or express it a different way. If we either trade Norris or move him to wing, it weakens the Senators down the middle. Having Norris as #2C and Pinto as #3C is better than Pinto #2 & Greig #3. Maybe they think Norris is too injury prone and want to move him. I can understand that. But, imo, unless they acquire an equivalent center to Norris, we can strengthen our roster by adding a good winger, but our center position would be downgraded by either trading Norris or moving to wing.

 

[Emerica]

Not reading much into it but Seravalli added Peterka to his trade board:



If ever he gets moved it’ll be in the offseason if they can’t agree on a deal

 

[PlayOn]

I agree but would add and/or express it a different way. If we either trade Norris or move him to wing, it weakens the Senators down the middle. Having Norris as #2C and Pinto as #3C is better than Pinto #2 & Greig #3. Maybe they think Norris is too injury prone and want to move him. I can understand that. But, imo, unless they acquire an equivalent center to Norris, we can strengthen our roster by adding a good winger, but our center position would be downgraded by either trading Norris or moving to wing.

I want them to try Norris on the wing because if it works, I think it would be easier to try and find a driver for the third line (whether it’s a wing or center doesn’t matter much to me, Greig can fill either role, but shouldn’t be the best player on the line) than it is to find a player with Norris’ skill set.

And, if at that point Pinto gets hurt, you can throw Norris back at C temporarily. It’s not perfect but it’s not a bad solution for next year.

Of course if they don’t try Norris on the wing this season it’s hard to know if it’s effective or not.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

You're not wrong. But what are the odds this team will be at full health for an extended period? I think that's the biggest issue - every team has to deal with injuries, but man, it sure feels like the Sens deal with more. And on top of that, no depth to speak of to draw upon. And on top of THAT, no cap to use even if there was. For those reasons, this roster doesn't work.

Full health ok low.

But right now these injuries are abnormal.

Top winger and centers 2 and 3 are out. Those are big big injuries all at the same time

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Ok but the majority of the big role players on this team have a documented history of missing large amounts of games to injury every season. If you’re waiting for them all to stay healthy for a full year you’ll be waiting forever. This isn’t an anomaly, it’s to be expected.

Norris is reaaalllyy the only one.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Full health ok low.

But right now these injuries are abnormal.

Top winger and centers 2 and 3 are out. Those are big big injuries all at the same time

Cousins is out too, who's been a solid bottom 6 player this year, and doesn't help with the lack of depth at the moment.

No team in the league is currently hit worse than us in the injury department. Minnesota is the only ones that comes close with both Kaprizov and Eriksson Ek out, and Boston with both McAvoy and Lindholm done for the year.

 

[HSF]

We were third in the division at one point with Norris as second line C. Saying things don’t work is just false. These team at full health works

being avaliable to play is a skill. Constantly being out of the line up year after year is def an issue

 

[Blotto71]

Full health ok low.

But right now these injuries are abnormal.

Top winger and centers 2 and 3 are out. Those are big big injuries all at the same time

I agree, but this is what so many of us have feared - Norris and Pinto unable to stay healthy. Might not be their shoulders this go around, but wouldn't that be worse than if it was?

Brady I'm not overly concerned about, though if he doesn't play Saturday that will likely change.

 

[HSF]

Yeah, the problem imo is the lack of superstars and lack of depth.

Maybe if you have injury prone players but a few superstars that can take over a game regularly it doesn’t matter so much. When Matthews gets hurt in Toronto they keep things moving because Marner and Nylander can pick up the slack. Alternatively if you have a lot of depth, those players can take on bigger roles that help you win.

We don’t have either. It’ll only work if some of our players elevate, we get more in our system or we gain enough cap space to fix the depth. Or all of the above.

Matthews plays over 70 games each year. If Norris was able to do that then sure no problem.

I agree that Toronto can fend off injuries better but their top guys are usually in the lineup.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Not reading much into it but Seravalli added Peterka to his trade board:



If ever he gets moved it’ll be in the offseason if they can’t agree on a deal

wonder what he would cost but this is the perfect winger for timmy. He at the perfect age, buddies with timmy, plays on the wing and is a true top 6 forward.

1st plus Ostapchuk?

we really ain’t got shit to trade.

 

[HSF]

send them batherson

 

[TheNewEra]

wonder what he would cost but this is the perfect winger for timmy. He at the perfect age, buddies with timmy, plays on the wing and is a true top 6 forward.

1st plus Ostapchuk?

we really ain’t got shit to trade.

i would do this. We can actually fit in his contract now and have room to extend him too

 

[PlayOn]

Matthews plays over 70 games each year. If Norris was able to do that then sure no problem.

I agree that Toronto can fend off injuries better but their top guys are usually in the lineup.

They had a ton of forward injuries earlier this year and were still winning games so that’s why I referenced them but you’re right.

The argument isn’t whether you think the Sens should be rolling along with all these injuries like it’s nothing. It’s that a better team finds a way to go 1-2-2 or 2–3-0 or whatever it is instead of 0-5-0.

Anyway, we are what we are, which is a bubble team. We are better than we were last year and we might still make the playoffs. But we have also been pretty lucky with our top guys this year and could easily have more injuries next year so you also have to factor that in.

 

[HSF]

They had a ton of forward injuries earlier this year and were still winning games.

The argument isn’t whether you think the Sens should be rolling along with all these injuries like it’s nothing. It’s that a better team finds a way to go 1-2-2 or 2–3-0 or whatever it is instead of 0-5-0.

Anyway, we are what we are, which is a bubble team. We are better than we were last year and we might still make the playoffs. But we have also been pretty lucky with our top guys this year and could easily have more injuries next year so you also have to factor that in.

I think the larger issue is that Pinto and Norris have both mist significant time and usually at the same time. Maybe in a small stretch you can overcome it but they just miss too much time. Pinto is alteast somewhat understandable with the suspension but Norris is the 2C and we need him for 70+ games a year for how much money he makes

 

[Hale The Villain]

Sabres really don't have any reason to trade Peterka, and Seravalli's speculation in the article is hilarious.

Teams are calling? I bet they are.

Sabres need a shakeup? Maybe trade someone underperforming like Cozens before a 23 year old two-way winger with 44 points in 55 games.

He needs a new contract? He's an RFA and won't be able to bend the Sabres over like a UFA could

Offer sheet target? Sabres will have plenty of cap space to match any offer sheet.

wonder what he would cost but this is the perfect winger for timmy. He at the perfect age, buddies with timmy, plays on the wing and is a true top 6 forward.

1st plus Ostapchuk?

we really ain’t got shit to trade.

I think it basically starts and ends with Pinto.

 

[bicboi64]

Swap Norris for Cozens. It's a shake up for each team and change in scenario.

 

[PlayOn]

I think the larger issue is that Pinto and Norris have both mist significant time and usually at the same time. Maybe in a small stretch you can overcome it but they just miss too much time. Pinto is alteast somewhat understandable with the suspension but Norris is the 2C and we need him for 70+ games a year for how much money he makes

Assuming they come back tomorrow and stay in the line-up, they will have both played 70+ games this year.

No injuries to Stützle or Batherson. A handful of games missed between Brady, Sanderson and Chabot.

This is as good as it gets from an injury perspective. Obviously some bad luck with the timing right now but that’s why I said they can’t be losing all 5 games. If they’d gotten 4 pts in this stretch instead of 0 they’d be in a playoff spot still.

I get your larger point about injury history though, and I don’t disagree. But most teams have guys that are injury prone.

 

[Cosmix]

wonder what he would cost but this is the perfect winger for timmy. He at the perfect age, buddies with timmy, plays on the wing and is a true top 6 forward.

1st plus Ostapchuk?

we really ain’t got shit to trade.

Yes we do have valuable assets to trade: draft picks, Yakemchuk, etc. The issue is: is the asset received worth the cost?

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Swap Norris for Cozens. It's a shake up for each team and change in scenario.

You want to trade Norris 1 for 1 for a guy who has less points, less goals, sucks defensively, doesn't PK, who has the same amount of term on his contract? Why? To save $800,000?

 

[bicboi64]

You want to trade Norris 1 for 1 for a guy who has less points, less goals, sucks defensively, doesn't PK, who has the same amount of term on his contract? Why? To save $800,000?

Not to save any cash, but to have someone who isn't so injury prone.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Not to save any cash, but to have someone who isn't so injury prone.

Is that really worth it if we're getting back a significantly worse player?

 

[bicboi64]

Is that really worth it if we're getting back a significantly worse player?

Honestly man I don't even know. I'm probably making bad trade suggestions because i'm feeling all irrational after the series of losses.

A couple of wins might fix that (or not) lol