Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

its not about playing behind Jensen and Zub it's about having three pairs with elite puck movers and a solid defensive guy. it's about being able to deploy a pairing like Sanderson-Karlsson, it's about being able to take a hit in the top 4 and not having it derail the season.

And what is this team lacking most right now? team worked hard against Tampa and Florida but still didn't get much open looks because we lack guys who can unlock opposing defences with poise. like we saw Kucherov and Pastrnak do to us, and Tkachuk tonight.

our lack of a guy who sees the game like that is the biggest difference in our team vs theirs. even when Norris and Pinto come back we still need that guy. Karlsson is one of the all time greats at that specific thing.

and I don't think we have to guarantee Yakemchuk a spot just because we have a hole there. let him develop, plus having him play in the A ensures we actually have depth to call up when injuries hit, as well as letting him work on his skating and his defense.

if we get a top 6 forward how likely is it that it will be one who can drive play as much as EK? if it's just some other top 9 grinder like Amadio or Perron how much does that actually change the team?

this team play good defensively and they play hard, but they need a player who can provide a spark.
After seeing the Panthers dominate us, I'm on board. Even if we have Norris and Pinto back, they don't have the ability to create offense out of nothing the way an old ass EK will. Trade Norris' injury prone self and get this roster some help lol

Lots of players get sent through waivers and seemingly no one wants. Were are tight against the cap with not many assets to trade. Need to take a chance somewhere
I agree, I'd take that chance on JP but just figure Staios won't since he could've had him for free at an already low cost.
 
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After seeing the Panthers dominate us, I'm on board. Even if we have Norris and Pinto back, they don't have the ability to create offense out of nothing the way an old ass EK will. Trade Norris' injury prone self and get this roster some help lol


I agree, I'd take that chance on JP but just figure Staios won't since he could've had him for free at an already low cost.
Yeah he’s not taking any players with any questions marks
 
The Sens need better depth if they are going to stay competitive for a playoff spot and try to do something in the playoffs. They don't have the cap space this year to make a major addition. They arguably need two forwards. One top six forward and another 4th line forward. They need a forward to take on the role Nick Cousins did, until he is able to return.

For a 4th line forward, the players on expiring contracts and on teams not currently in a playoff spot are: Mathieu Olivier, Pat Maroon, Craig Smith, Brett Leason and Justin Brazeau.

Then for a top six forward the main options and mostly players who have one or more year remaining. They are Alex Tuch, Anders Lee, Ryan O'Reilly, Michael Bunting. Blake Coleman. Cap hits would need to be retained in order to make the cap situation work.
 
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The Sens need better depth if they are going to stay competitive for a playoff spot and try to do something in the playoffs. They don't have the cap space this year to make a major addition. They arguably need two forwards. One top six forward and another 4th line forward. They need a forward to take on the role Nick Cousins did, until he is able to return.

For a 4th line forward, the players on expiring contracts and on teams not currently in a playoff spot are: Mathieu Olivier, Pat Maroon, Craig Smith, Brett Leason and Justin Brazeau.

Then for a top six forward the main options and mostly players who have one or more year remaining. They are Alex Tuch, Anders Lee, Ryan O'Reilly, Michael Bunting. Blake Coleman. Cap hits would need to be retained in order to make the cap situation work.

Why trade for players when we can call up depth from Belleville?

Tyler Boucher deserves his chance, no?
 
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Why trade for players when we can call up depth from Belleville?

Tyler Boucher deserves his chance, no?

I would call him up before the next game against Toronto, sit him down in the trainers room, and force him to listen to me read all the HFBoards posts made about him.

Then I would convince him that they were made by Ryan Reaves.

If that doesn't motivate him to show us what he has, then he belongs in the SPHL.
 
Donato has scored 19 goals along with 18 assists so far this year. To say he's clearly not an upgrade on Amadio is just plain insane.
Donato is not capable of playing the role that Amadio plays. If you want a rental for the top 6 then I’m good with Donato, but not at the expense of Amadio.
 
I really hope Staios has been paying attention to the team's performance against legitimate contenders in the Lighting and Panthers.

This team may be able to make the playoffs this year, but they are nowhere near contenders yet.

It would be a complete waste to trade any quality assets for short-term help at the deadline given that reality.
Also doesn’t help missing 2/3 of your top 3 centres.
 
Per the mainboard, apparently there is a rumour of VAN doing some sort of Pettersson for Dobson swap.

If that is going to happen, you have to assume a top 6 C is coming their way somehow. With Norris apparently set to be cleared by the end of the Four Nations, I wonder if we move him to Vancouver.

Unless the Islanders are going to blow their brains out and do Barzal+Dobson for Pettersson, the Canucks need a C from somewhere and if I recall, they may have been speculated (not necessarily reported) to be linked to Norris.
 
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Assuming that Pettersson is traded to NYI, what does Vancouver have that'd want for Norris? I get that Norris is overpaid and is injury prone but we're not in a position to trade him for spare parts and not get another top6 player in return. If neither Miller (already traded) or Pettersson (hypothetically traded to NYI) are coming to OTT, what's to gain from trading Norris to Vancouver ?
 
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Assuming that Pettersson is traded to NYI, what does Vancouver have that'd want for Norris? I get that Norris is overpaid and is injury prone but we're not in a position to trade him for spare parts and not get another top6 player in return. If neither Miller (already traded) or Pettersson (hypothetically traded to NYI) are coming to OTT, what's to gain from trading Norris to Vancouver ?

We are cap locked and have depth issues.

I've said this before, but I see it working out like we get 2-3 legitimate NHL players who may or may not be underperforming or redundant, and won't be at all exciting to acquire. The prime motivation of management being to improve the roster in the short term and get out of the liability of the Norris contract in the long term.

If the Islanders are involved with Vancouver, it also opens things up to take someone from the Islanders roster, because Vancouver are going to need to take back more than Dobson to make Pettersson to VAN work.

It could be something like Pettersson for Dobson+Pageau, then Pageau or Chytil+Soucy+Hoglander to Ottawa for Norris a fringe NHLer or two.

Norris and two roster spots is about 9.5M-10M in cap, (Pageau or Chytil)+Soucy+Hoglander is a max of 9.25M.

I am not advocating for that format of a trade, and saying look at this exciting idea - but I think something like that is probably the end result. Vancouver will want to move players with term to take Norris.

Hoglander only has a 1M cap this year and Travis Green would be familiar with him. Curiously enough, he saw bigger minutes as a rookie under Travis Green than he saw under any other coach for his entire career. Green was fired early into his sophomore season. He is not producing for Vancouver, and his 3 year 3M extension kicks in next season. I could see him being an ideal player for both sides because it allows Vancouver to dump cap with term, but his 1M cap hit this year makes it easier for Ottawa to fit him in.

Soucy is rumoured to be available. He has a NTC. Curiously enough, there is a connection there with Mike Yeo, who was head coach when Soucy would have been working his way through the Wild system, and later one of the assistant coaches in Vancouver. So while players usually will not waive for the Senators, if they have some sort of personal connection it's possible that Soucy might trust that coming to Ottawa would be good because the Senators want him and he can play a bigger role than going somewhere else.

Then you add another forward from either the Islanders or Senators. Ideally a center. I brought up Pageau or Chytil (assuming VAN gets a C back from NYI to replace Chytil, and assuming he wasn't their ideal target but they had to take him). But it could be just about anybody under 5M who would be expendable.

tl;dr:
-Norris for 3 roster players no one will be excited about that are cap in/out.
-Hoglander and Green are bros in my fan fiction about this.
-Mike Yeo convinces Soucy that he will get the Hamonic treatment and play 27 minutes a night here.
-Vancouver working with NYI opens up the Senators to take a veteran off the Islanders roster, because they will need to send Vancouver more than Dobson's 5M to take Pettersson's 11.5M cap hit.
 
How is Boucher doing in Belleville, anyways? Is he staying healthy and finding his pro game?
Injured at the moment, which, according to B Sens coach Dave Bell, was on a play that would have injured anyone.

From what Dave Bell has stated, they have a clear development plan with Boucher, and he appeared to be making a fair amount of progress on it prior to getting injured. Bell specifically stated that he had zero discussions with Boucher about scoring and production, so it seems like that aspect was not an expectation or part of his development plan at that point in time.

It seemed like the development plan was more heavily emphasized on positional play, decision making.hockey iq, defensive awareness and skills, among others.

He has the tools to be a productive player, but that will come from having a strong foundation and high competency in those other areas rather than dynamic offensive talent or highly creative puck play.
 
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We are cap locked and have depth issues.

I've said this before, but I see it working out like we get 2-3 legitimate NHL players who may or may not be underperforming or redundant, and won't be at all exciting to acquire. The prime motivation of management being to improve the roster in the short term and get out of the liability of the Norris contract in the long term.

If the Islanders are involved with Vancouver, it also opens things up to take someone from the Islanders roster, because Vancouver are going to need to take back more than Dobson to make Pettersson to VAN work.

It could be something like Pettersson for Dobson+Pageau, then Pageau or Chytil+Soucy+Hoglander to Ottawa for Norris a fringe NHLer or two.

Norris and two roster spots is about 9.5M-10M in cap, (Pageau or Chytil)+Soucy+Hoglander is a max of 9.25M.

I am not advocating for that format of a trade, and saying look at this exciting idea - but I think something like that is probably the end result. Vancouver will want to move players with term to take Norris.

Hoglander only has a 1M cap this year and Travis Green would be familiar with him. Curiously enough, he saw bigger minutes as a rookie under Travis Green than he saw under any other coach for his entire career. Green was fired early into his sophomore season. He is not producing for Vancouver, and his 3 year 3M extension kicks in next season. I could see him being an ideal player for both sides because it allows Vancouver to dump cap with term, but his 1M cap hit this year makes it easier for Ottawa to fit him in.

Soucy is rumoured to be available. He has a NTC. Curiously enough, there is a connection there with Mike Yeo, who was head coach when Soucy would have been working his way through the Wild system, and later one of the assistant coaches in Vancouver. So while players usually will not waive for the Senators, if they have some sort of personal connection it's possible that Soucy might trust that coming to Ottawa would be good because the Senators want him and he can play a bigger role than going somewhere else.

Then you add another forward from either the Islanders or Senators. Ideally a center. I brought up Pageau or Chytil (assuming VAN gets a C back from NYI to replace Chytil, and assuming he wasn't their ideal target but they had to take him). But it could be just about anybody under 5M who would be expendable.

tl;dr:
-Norris for 3 roster players no one will be excited about that are cap in/out.
-Hoglander and Green are bros in my fan fiction about this.
-Mike Yeo convinces Soucy that he will get the Hamonic treatment and play 27 minutes a night here.
-Vancouver working with NYI opens up the Senators to take a veteran off the Islanders roster, because they will need to send Vancouver more than Dobson's 5M to take Pettersson's 11.5M cap hit.

The cap is going up 7.5M for next season and we have Giroux and Forsberg coming off the books.

We will have plenty of cap space to add depth.

Next season

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Batherson
UFA/trade - Norris - UFA/trade
Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Perron - Ostapchuk - Cousins/Gregor

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - UFA/Yakemchuk/Matinpalo

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Merilainen

Kleven needs to be re-signed. Let’s say 3-3.5M bridge deal. Greig’s salary is going up 2M.

You have about 10-11M to play with and if somehow you can dump Perron you have even more. We should have no issues rounding out the depth. We have more need in our top 6 IMO than depth. We need guys who can put the puck in the net and create offensively. With Giroux getting older, you need to replace him with a legit top 6 guy.

Maybe they make some changes in the top 6 (Norris or Batherson) but we shouldn’t be selling top 6 guys for depth. To me you add one good top 6 guy and then another guy like a Rodrigues who can play around your lineup.

I suspect the cost to dump cap will also go down. Many teams will now have more wiggle room as soon as next season, and even more going forward.
 
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The cap is going up 7.5M for next season and we have Giroux and Forsberg coming off the books.

We will have plenty of cap space to add depth.

Next season

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Batherson
UFA/trade - Norris - UFA/trade
Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Perron - Ostapchuk - Cousins/Gregor

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - UFA/Yakemchuk/Matinpalo

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Merilainen

Kleven needs to be re-signed. Let’s say 3-3.5M bridge deal. Greig’s salary is going up 2M.

You have about 10-11M to play with and if somehow you can dump Perron you have even more. We should have no issues rounding out the depth. We have more need in our top 6 IMO than depth. We need guys who can put the puck in the net and create offensively. With Giroux getting older, you need to replace him with a legit top 6 guy.

Maybe they make some changes in the top 6 (Norris or Batherson) but we shouldn’t be selling top 6 guys for depth. To me you add one good top 6 guy and then another guy like a Rodrigues who can play around your lineup.

I suspect the cost to dump cap will also go down. Many teams will now have more wiggle room as soon as next season, and even more going forward.

I think the reason they are attempting a Norris trade in season is to try and improve the roster to not only increase the chances of making the playoffs, but also to do some damage.

They don't have the cap in season to add anybody. The cap situation is a mess. They are almost entirely locked out from making any improvements or additions to the roster. That is why I think we will see Norris moved to acquire 2-3 upgrades throughout the lineup at the expense of downgrading our 2C from Norris to Pinto.

As far as Norris long-term, it's not just about the cap ceiling. It's been highly publicized that the weak Canadian dollar and rising cap is going to be difficult for Canadian teams whose gate income is in Canadian dollars. They might not like the idea of having a 9.5M USD forward with multiple shoulder injuries under his belt. It's not as simple as saying he will just go on LTIR, because there are real dollars involved, even if insurance covers part of it. We don't know for sure that the shoulder wasn't considered a pre-existing condition when he signed, or what level his contract is insured to.

They have apparently been trying to move Norris pretty much since Dorion left. It's doubtful he is an easy player to trade and get value back, otherwise he may have been moved by now. So that points to them really not liking something about keeping Norris.
 
The cap is going up 7.5M for next season and we have Giroux and Forsberg coming off the books.

We will have plenty of cap space to add depth.

Next season

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Batherson
UFA/trade - Norris - UFA/trade
Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Perron - Ostapchuk - Cousins/Gregor

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - UFA/Yakemchuk/Matinpalo

Ullmark
Merilainen

Kleven needs to be re-signed. Let’s say 3-3.5M bridge deal. Greig’s salary is going up 2M.

You have about 10-11M to play with and if somehow you can dump Perron you have even more. We should have no issues rounding out the depth. We have more need in our top 6 IMO than depth. We need guys who can put the puck in the net and create offensively. With Giroux getting older, you need to replace him with a legit top 6 guy.

Maybe they make some changes in the top 6 (Norris or Batherson) but we shouldn’t be selling top 6 guys for depth. To me you add one good top 6 guy and then another guy like a Rodrigues who can play around your lineup.

I suspect the cost to dump cap will also go down. Many teams will now have more wiggle room as soon as next season, and even more going forward.
Yeah, that's what I'm advocating as well. Don't think we can add 2 guys, so I'm ok with using all the 10-11M on one very good player. So might need to play Perron or Greig on a higher line out of necessity. Fill in the 4th line with our own "depth" (MacEwen, etc).

Greig and Ostapchuk will be a year older too, so you can count on some growth based on added experience and bulk.
 
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Probably has more to do with Brady's complete lack of GAS this season, and especially in 2025.

He's not playing like he wants to be here. Maybe Green finally forcing him to play defense is the dealbreaker for him.
Respectfully, the man has become a father. Speaking from experience, you are GASED, I am by no means a professional hockey player, so I can only imagine how it must be juggling the two in addition to being the captain.
 
Respectfully, the man has become a father. Speaking from experience, you are GASED, I am by no means a professional hockey player, so I can only imagine how it must be juggling the two in addition to being the captain.
Yeah but us peasants have to do childcare ourselves.

Realistically for someone with several million in the bank, he probably has a nanny to do a lot for him / his wife.
 

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