Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Golden_Jet]

What's going on?

JBD injured, plus the flu bug has been going thru the team.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

What's going on?

What to respond to what's going on?
Here are some great responses to ``What's going on?'': 1> Casual: ``Not much, just (describe what you're up to). How about you?'' 2> Informative: ``Well, (brief summary of current events or activities). How about yourself?'' 3> Humorous: ``Oh, you know, the usual mayhem and mischief! How about you?''

 

[Cosmix]

JBD injured, plus the flu bug has been going thru the team.

Thanks.

What to respond to what's going on?
Here are some great responses to ``What's going on?'': 1> Casual: ``Not much, just (describe what you're up to). How about you?'' 2> Informative: ``Well, (brief summary of current events or activities). How about yourself?'' 3> Humorous: ``Oh, you know, the usual mayhem and mischief! How about you?''

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Just read the post about JBD getting hurt at practice today. That explains Matinpalo coming up.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Thanks.


Just read the post about JBD getting hurt at practice today. That explains Matinpalo coming up.

Matinpalo was at practice

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I suspect they they want to change the roster and create cap flexibility long term. They will have to move on from someone eventually because despite the perception that this roster is still a work in progress, they are completely locked in cap wise long term with very little room to make changes.

Email Bruce Garrioch and ask him to ask the unnamed executive why Norris is still in trade rumours.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Not sure this helps, but hopefully it does. I filled in some of the void roster slots and came up with a $93.8 m, 22-player roster. Retained & buyout salaries were included (& were missing in your post).

Some players are in a different position versus your post. But, as long as they are identified & included in the roster spreadsheet somewhere, that’s what is most important for this exercise.

Orange shaded cells = a placeholder (TBD) or a current player with a new contract

Blue shaded cells = a RFA with his new contract

Yellow shaded cells - an ELC with a new contract

I think this spreadsheet is already quite optimistic because it includes a 2nd line winger @ $3.5 m, and Giroux for $3.5 m. I’d guess Giroux at $3.5 m would mean carry over bonuses for the following year.

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Maybe consider next time, make a thread just for Sens cap, mock-ups and then they wouldn’t get buried and lost.

Also there are a few other posters that create team cap lists,

 

[Xspyrit]

I don't think we view the player the same, but more so, I just thought it was worth pointing out that them looking to "dump" him and his salary doesn't seem realistic or worth anticipating as something that might happen. The GM not only just recently acquired him but paid an asset to make room for him & his salary, and the coach seems to single him out to sing his praises every chance he gets. His production is in line with his 3rd line mates of Pinto and Cousins, and trending more positively after slow starts, so I don't think he's likely to be viewed as on an island with that either. If he plays some on the 4th line, his salary isn't that big that it makes it completely unreasonable either. I'd bet on him playing out his contract in Ottawa.

Oh I know we're stuck with him. It's not that he's a terrible player but for the team I would want to build, Amadio is not good enough for my 3rd line. Note that I want a contender (nothing less after such a long rebuild), not just a team qualifying for the playoffs in the last 2-3 games of the season. He's most likely to score 20-something points in a season when you need 30+ pts on your 3rd line.

Stutzle, Batherson, Tkachuk : 1st line caliber players
Giroux, Norris : 2nd line caliber players
Pinto, Greig : 3rd line caliber players

Perron if 100% healthy would be in the top-9 this season but so far he hasn't. I wouldn't want anyone else in there. All of Amadio, Cousins, Gaudette, Gregor, Ostapchuk and Reinhardt are cool and all but wouldn't be part of a Top-9 I would look to build.

I don't know how we're going to improve the forward group next season, with Giroux and Perron getting older, but something needs to happen. We have one of the worst offense in the NHL in the last 2+ months.

And to think I thought this problem would only start next season.

 

[Xspyrit]

Or what about Norris + Zub + Amadio + 2nd + 3rd for Pettersson + Desharnais

Not sure that would be enough. I think they'd want to dump Desharnais too.

It’s still sad that all of this would have been avoided if they had just paid Nick Paul his reasonable 3x5.

Paul > Joseph or Amadio
Paul at 3.0 >> Joseph at 2.9 or Amadio at 2.6.

There's a multi-verse where we could have Paul - Pinto - Brown as our 3rd line

Like for DeMelo, not sure what Dorion was thinking.

Greig is the centre to move for a similar aged winger.

But.... WHY? Greig is 22 y/o in his 2nd NHL season, he's cheap and already a very good defensive player. Plus he brings agitation and balls. There's absolutely no reason to move him, it would actually be idiotic.

Only reason would be a team overpaying because he's a Center so it'd have to be a guy like Peterka for example.

People want to sign Marner of all players? Big no thank you to the leafs biggest and softest playoff choker, and his pops.

Dang, for a team who could miss the playoffs for a 8th year in a row (which would be the 7th longest in NHL history if the Wings also miss), I really don't think we have the luxury to say things like this. Marner is exactly what this team needs. A 2-way forward and premium playmaker.

Tkachuk - Norris - Marner
Giroux - Stutzle - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - ??????
Reinhardt - Ostapchuk- ??????

Not sure if possible but if we could sign Marner, I would move Perron and Amadio without hesitation.

 

[Boud]

You guys are dreaming. I see Pettersson and Marner in a Sens lineup in this thread.

Steve Staios is our GM.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

You guys are dreaming. I see Pettersson and Marner in a Sens lineup in this thread.

Steve Staios is our GM.

They may have been talking about Marcus Pettersson and Paul Marner.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

You guys are dreaming. I see Pettersson and Marner in a Sens lineup in this thread.

Steve Staios is our GM.

Andre Peterson will make a comeback and be Stutzle's winger for the next 10 years.

 

[DrEasy]

You guys are dreaming. I see Pettersson and Marner in a Sens lineup in this thread.

Steve Staios is our GM.

Maybe he'd be interested if we can stack them up on top of each other?

 

[Sens With Benefits]

We should really target a goalie. Is there anyone right now that can give competent goaltending?

 

[GCK]

But.... WHY? Greig is 22 y/o in his 2nd NHL season, he's cheap and already a very good defensive player. Plus he brings agitation and balls. There's absolutely no reason to move him, it would actually be idiotic.

Only reason would be a team overpaying because he's a Center so it'd have to be a guy like Peterka for example.

Greig is a centre pushed to the wing. I would like to get a RW with potential to play in our top 6. I really like Greig but you need to give to get. My primary target would be Jack Quinn who I think would be ideal with Stutzle, same age as Greig and Buffalo is flush with wingers but light at centre.

 

[Wondercarrot]

For us to take it up another level (I think this is a playoff team now but close) we need an impact winger, we have ‘extra’ centre talent.

Norris has value, and we could use the cap space + on that winger.
That winger needs to be a UFA.

It’s one of only ways this team can progress as we don’t use assets to get the player, and we can stock picks to develop replacement middle lineup players.

The timing is right as well this offseason.
Will it happen? No but it makes sense.

 

[TheNewEra]

For us to take it up another level (I think this is a playoff team now but close) we need an impact winger, we have ‘extra’ centre talent.

Norris has value, and we could use the cap space + on that winger.
That winger needs to be a UFA.

It’s one of only ways this team can progress as we don’t use assets to get the player, and we can stock picks to develop replacement middle lineup players.

The timing is right as well this offseason.
Will it happen? No but it makes sense.

we dont necessarily need to trade norris for said winger at least in season, maybe in the offseason if he stays healthy and more teams have cap space. The tricky part for in season is with our cap and prospect pool situation, the most we can really afford is trading a 2nd.

Just in terms of bottom 5 teams currently
blackhawks: hall
sharks: granlund (going to be way too expensive)
predators: nyqvist, i dont mind o'reilly even though he has term since he is signed to a cheap cap hit
sabres: zucker, greenway (most likely wont trade with us in season unless they completely fall out of it)
seattle: gourde and eberle (gourde doesnt have experience playing on the wing from my understanding and eberle has term)

 

[GCK]

For us to take it up another level (I think this is a playoff team now but close) we need an impact winger, we have ‘extra’ centre talent.

Norris has value, and we could use the cap space + on that winger.
That winger needs to be a UFA.

It’s one of only ways this team can progress as we don’t use assets to get the player, and we can stock picks to develop replacement middle lineup players.

The timing is right as well this offseason.
Will it happen? No but it makes sense.

So your plan is to move Norris without replacing him and then overpay for a winger in UFA. Weird.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Myea

we dont necessarily need to trade norris for said winger at least in season, maybe in the offseason if he stays healthy and more teams have cap space. The tricky part for in season is with our cap and prospect pool situation, the most we can really afford is trading a 2nd.

Just in terms of bottom 5 teams currently
blackhawks: hall
sharks: granlund (going to be way too expensive)
predators: nyqvist, i dont mind o'reilly even though he has term since he is signed to a cheap cap hit
sabres: zucker, greenway (most likely wont trade with us in season unless they completely fall out of it)
seattle: gourde and eberle (gourde doesnt have experience playing on the wing from my understanding and eberle has term)

Yeah, sorry I meant in the offseason.
I’m not inclined to do much in season this year - I’d like to see these guys push (including Norris) to see what they can do - I think they’ve earned that this year.

I would possibly move a 3rd in season to shore up due to injuries etc.

 

[Wondercarrot]

So your plan is to move Norris without replacing him and then overpay for a winger in UFA. Weird.

Is it?
GMs talk all the time, lay the ground work for a potential trade in the early offseason based the teams ability to sign the impact UFA winger.

As far as ‘not replacing’ Norris, I am replacing him - with Pinto, and Greig sliding into the middle where he belongs.
I’m shuffling where our assets are deployed and instead of spending $8 million for good goal scoring and decent production I’m spending more to get true elite line driving talent.

Or I guess we can hope the team kind a magically gets a level up?
The team is no position to trade picks or young players, our improvement needs to be made via UFA where only cash matters, while we move potentially replaceable players for assets IMO

 

[BondraTime]

I'm not sure Norris has any value at all, if he did they would be wise to make use of it.

 

[HSF]

Greig is a centre pushed to the wing. I would like to get a RW with potential to play in our top 6. I really like Greig but you need to give to get. My primary target would be Jack Quinn who I think would be ideal with Stutzle, same age as Greig and Buffalo is flush with wingers but light at centre.

Getting a 2nd line winger is not that hard and moving Greig for that would be pretty dumb asset management IMO

First step is to pay Giroux less and get rid of Perron and use that money to sign a winger or trade for one where a team is in a cap crunch or is looking to move out a longer term contract

Greig can easily develop into a complementary top 6 winger to play on the other side of Stuztle

 

[Micklebot]

I'm not sure Norris has any value at all, if he did they would be wise to make use of it.

Well, until we have someone who can reliably step into his role, we are making us of his value.

 

[bicboi64]

we dont necessarily need to trade norris for said winger at least in season, maybe in the offseason if he stays healthy and more teams have cap space. The tricky part for in season is with our cap and prospect pool situation, the most we can really afford is trading a 2nd.

Just in terms of bottom 5 teams currently
blackhawks: hall
sharks: granlund (going to be way too expensive)
predators: nyqvist, i dont mind o'reilly even though he has term since he is signed to a cheap cap hit
sabres: zucker, greenway (most likely wont trade with us in season unless they completely fall out of it)
seattle: gourde and eberle (gourde doesnt have experience playing on the wing from my understanding and eberle has term)

I think Hall or Nyquist are viable targets we can acquire. Hall has been ass this season and the Hawks would have to retain for the salary to work (Unless Perron is randomly okay with being sent there). Nyquist has been pretty bad on a really crap Preds team.

I wonder what they'd cost

 

[TheNewEra]

I think Hall or Nyquist are viable targets we can acquire. Hall has been ass this season and the Hawks would have to retain for the salary to work (Unless Perron is randomly okay with being sent there). Nyquist has been pretty bad on a really crap Preds team.

I wonder what they'd cost

unless it turns into a favorable market for buyers i feel like both will cost a 3rd. That being said if we bring retention into the question cost will go up and it becomes tricky

 

[BondraTime]

Well, until we have someone who can reliably step into his role, we are making us of his value.

Sure, but I don't think getting a 45-55 point guy on the 2nd line is something they should worry about if they were able to get away from an 8 million doller one.

Even in a season we are looking to make it, it would be near impossible for me to say no to a trade where we got any kind of value back for him, or even just dumped him.

If we could trade away Norris for anything, and pickup a guy like Yanni Gourde for a 3rd/4th round pick to fill in, that would be extremely nice from my POV. A guy to finish out the yeasr who comes off the books and can likely contribute similar numbers offensively, and then 8 million off the books to play with in the offseason with Pinto as a possible internal replacement.