Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Cosmix]

Agree with most of this, but I'm cooling on Gaudette. Cousins and Gregor I'd bring back if reasonable. I'd like to see an upgrade on 6th D, whether that's considered Hammer or JBD. I understand you don't like Amadio, but I think we all know there isn't going to be any attempt to "dump" him and his contract. GM just signed him, arguably paid a 3rd to make room for him, depending how you look at it, and the Coach basically uses any opportunity available to bring him up after games. Who knows how they handle Perron if he doesn't come back this year though. They clearly have a top 6 wing hole and a 4 mil salary in the press box makes it hard to fill.

Amadio is not a poor player, plays a smart game, but lacks speed and physicality in his play. He is paid too much for what he provides. He seems to be a 4th liner to me who can play on third line if required. Nothing more. If we want to add better players in the top 6, we need to play the 4th liners about $1M., not the $2.5M we pay Amadio.

I was not a fan of the Perron signing due to his age and amount payed. His personal and injury situation has obviously affected his value to the team. We need to trade him asap and use the salary to upgrade our top 6 by getting a fast winger/shooter who can play with Stutzle.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Amadio is a decent bottom-6 forward but I'd rather have him on my 4th line, which would make his salary too high. He's sorta like Chris Tierney at his peak : too good for the 4th line but you're not going to contend for much if he's on your 3rd line

Perron needs to contribute and it's not his fault that he can't at the moment but we can't afford to have too much "non-productive money". We have no idea how it's going to play out for the rest of the season but can't imagine it's going to be easier if he misses all year and comes back next season at 37 y/o. LTIR doesn't accomplish anything

Here's an Amadio card :

https://www.hockeystatcards.com/skater?id=8478020

Amadio is not a poor player, plays a smart game, but lacks speed and physicality in his play. He is paid too much for what he provides. He seems to be a 4th liner to me who can play on third line if required. Nothing more. If we want to add better players in the top 6, we need to play the 4th liners about $1M., not the $2.5M we pay Amadio.

I was not a fan of the Perron signing due to his age and amount payed. His personal and injury situation has obviously affected his value to the team. We need to trade him asap and use the salary to upgrade our top 6 by getting a fast winger/shooter who can play with Stutzle.

I don't think we view the player the same, but more so, I just thought it was worth pointing out that them looking to "dump" him and his salary doesn't seem realistic or worth anticipating as something that might happen. The GM not only just recently acquired him but paid an asset to make room for him & his salary, and the coach seems to single him out to sing his praises every chance he gets. His production is in line with his 3rd line mates of Pinto and Cousins, and trending more positively after slow starts, so I don't think he's likely to be viewed as on an island with that either. If he plays some on the 4th line, his salary isn't that big that it makes it completely unreasonable either. I'd bet on him playing out his contract in Ottawa.

 

[DrEasy]

I don't think we view the player the same, but more so, I just thought it was worth pointing out that them looking to "dump" him and his salary doesn't seem realistic or worth anticipating as something that might happen. The GM not only just recently acquired him but paid an asset to make room for him & his salary, and the coach seems to single him out to sing his praises every chance he gets. His production is in line with his 3rd line mates of Pinto and Cousins, and trending more positively after slow starts, so I don't think he's likely to be viewed as on an island with that either. If he plays some on the 4th line, his salary isn't that big that it makes it completely unreasonable either. I'd bet on him playing out his contract in Ottawa.

Yeah, I don't see Amadio or Perron going anywhere. Given our cap situation, we just have to pray that our needs can be filled internally next year.

 

[bicboi64]

Friggin Sharks, should've gotten more from the Oil for taking on Ceci than a 3rd. Hate when teams help out other cash strapped teams. Not that Emberson would've been as well on the Sharks as he's done on the Oil, but still.

 

[bicboi64]

On the brightside, even if Amadio isn't scoring much, he isn't a defensive liability. Not that he's a great twoway player, but we don't 'need' to move him. I think his goal scoring will go up, its bound to statistically.

Can't imagine Perron will hit the ground scoring at a 40-50 point pace when he returns. If he's down to be moved to any place that makes it easier on him and his family that'd give us some capspace to get another depth scorer.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Emberson is being overrated in this thread.

It cost is a 3rd to dump Joseph and Nashville a 3rd to dump glass. Both had term. A 3rd was fair market value to dump a player projected to be in the NHL who had Ceci's cap hit/money.

Not to mention, he is eating up big minutes for San Jose, and they will likely get another 3rd for him at the deadline.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Yeah, I don't see Amadio or Perron going anywhere. Given our cap situation, we just have to pray that our needs can be filled internally next year.

I think our situation is radically different depending on if we make the playoffs or not.

If we make it and don't get embarrassed, then it's a proof of concept that they have something with this build and Tkachuk stays. That means we won't have a lot of cap flexibility.

If we miss the playoffs, I think it increases the likelihood that we have to consider moving Tkachuk prior to his NMC kicking in, because it he asks out after it kicks in, we aren't getting anywhere close to full value.

It wouldn't surprise me if Norris is gone regardless, and the return is basically nothing. Cap space go use on another two Perron, Amadio, Jensen type additions. I could see the trade looking a lot more like Chychrun for Jensen than what people would probably hope for, like picks and prospects or another exciting young player.

I understand that Jensen has been exactly what we needed, but it was not a very sexy return on paper compared to what people expected for Chychrun, which seemed to exceed the value of Jensen and a 3rd.

 

[DrEasy]

I think our situation is radically different depending on if we make the playoffs or not.

If we make it and don't get embarrassed, then it's a proof of concept that they have something with this build and Tkachuk stays. That means we won't have a lot of cap flexibility.

If we miss the playoffs, I think it increases the likelihood that we have to consider moving Tkachuk prior to his NMC kicking in, because it he asks out after it kicks in, we aren't getting anywhere close to full value.

It wouldn't surprise me if Norris is gone regardless, and the return is basically nothing. Cap space go use on another two Perron, Amadio, Jensen type additions. I could see the trade looking a lot more like Chychrun for Jensen than what people would probably hope for, like picks and prospects or another exciting young player.

I understand that Jensen has been exactly what we needed, but it was not a very sexy return on paper compared to what people expected for Chychrun, which seemed to exceed the value of Jensen and a 3rd.

Big shiny trades were a Dorion specialty. I doubt this regime will make big changes; doesn't seem in their nature. Given the results so far, I think at a minimum the team will play some meaningful hockey late in the regular season, enough to placate the fans and convince everyone to keep going with the roster we have for at least one more year, for better or for worse. We'll still have Jensen, Perron, Zub, etc under contract. As for UFAs, only Giroux will have to be re-signed or replaced (my preference). Replacing Hamonic with JBD and Forsberg with Merilainen (or a cheap placeholder) saves us some $$$ to take care of some RFAs. I'm obviously eyeballing the $$$ but that's how I see things.

 

[HSF]

We didn't have the cap space to add Carrier. So we don't know if we actually would have considered it. It's just annoying to see him go to a division rival for basically taking the cap hit from Nashville.

We are in a tough spot because of our cap situation.

Its Staois job to create cap space esp if RD are so hard to find

I think our situation is radically different depending on if we make the playoffs or not.

If we make it and don't get embarrassed, then it's a proof of concept that they have something with this build and Tkachuk stays. That means we won't have a lot of cap flexibility.

If we miss the playoffs, I think it increases the likelihood that we have to consider moving Tkachuk prior to his NMC kicking in, because it he asks out after it kicks in, we aren't getting anywhere close to full value.

It wouldn't surprise me if Norris is gone regardless, and the return is basically nothing. Cap space go use on another two Perron, Amadio, Jensen type additions. I could see the trade looking a lot more like Chychrun for Jensen than what people would probably hope for, like picks and prospects or another exciting young player.

I understand that Jensen has been exactly what we needed, but it was not a very sexy return on paper compared to what people expected for Chychrun, which seemed to exceed the value of Jensen and a 3rd.

Not sure why we keep going in circles on the Tkachuk stuff but he is not going anywhere for the duration of his contract. We would lose any trade that involves him.

 

[Boud]

Friggin Sharks, should've gotten more from the Oil for taking on Ceci than a 3rd. Hate when teams help out other cash strapped teams. Not that Emberson would've been as well on the Sharks as he's done on the Oil, but still.

RD are hard to come by and I’m sure the Oilers had some interest even though he’s nothing special.

Probably some teams would’ve given more but didnt want the full cap hit without the Oilers taking something back.

 

[bicboi64]

RD are hard to come by and I’m sure the Oilers had some interest even though he’s nothing special.

Probably some teams would’ve given more but didnt want the full cap hit without the Oilers taking something back.

Valid points. Funnily enough Ceci would be useful on the Sens as an upgrade over Hamonic and JBD (not at his current caphit though).

 

[Slippy]

Valid points. Funnily enough Ceci would be useful on the Sens as an upgrade over Hamonic and JBD (not at his current caphit though).

I was just thinking, I wouldn't be surprised if it were the Sens' third at the deadline...

 

[UglyPuckling]

Friggin Sharks, should've gotten more from the Oil for taking on Ceci than a 3rd. Hate when teams help out other cash strapped teams. Not that Emberson would've been as well on the Sharks as he's done on the Oil, but still.

Neither of these teams are in our division or conference, hence, no big deal.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Mangiapoane nice goal. Need him on the team

Friggin Sharks, should've gotten more from the Oil for taking on Ceci than a 3rd. Hate when teams help out other cash strapped teams. Not that Emberson would've been as well on the Sharks as he's done on the Oil, but still.

Emberson was doing very well on the sharks last year

 

[GCK]

Was Carrier offered around the league by Trotz, or was he sent to his preferred destination. He just signed this summer so maybe Trotz was pulling a Murray when he sent Fisher to Nashville.

 

[Bileur]

Emberson is being overrated in this thread.

It cost is a 3rd to dump Joseph and Nashville a 3rd to dump glass. Both had term. A 3rd was fair market value to dump a player projected to be in the NHL who had Ceci's cap hit/money.

Not to mention, he is eating up big minutes for San Jose, and they will likely get another 3rd for him at the deadline.

It’s still sad that all of this would have been avoided if they had just paid Nick Paul his reasonable 3x5.

Paul > Joseph or Amadio
Paul at 3.0 >> Joseph at 2.9 or Amadio at 2.6.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Ok so just bored and messing around…let’s say we decide Pinto can be our #2 centre, and comfortable with Greig as the 3

What’s your galaxy brain move(s)?
I would trade, move on from:
Norris
Gaudette
Hamonic
Forsberg
Perron

Then sign Marner to a stupid contract

$92.5 mill projected Cap

+ Marner $13

Still have $10 million to add:
Complimentary top 6 F
4th line F
Back up G

$82.6 million
F- $47.6

Stutzle 8 Marner 13
Tkachuk 8 Pinto 3 Batherson 5
Amadio 2.6 Grieg 2.5 Giroux 3.5
Ostapchuk 1 Gregor 1


D- $27
Sanderson 8 Zub 5
Chabot 8 Jensen 4
Kleven 1 JBD 1

G- 8
Ullmark 8

*Norris for a good winger would be the only type of larger move that would make sense.
We have a lot of centres:
Ostapchuk clearly needs a full time job at centre, and while Grieg has looked good on the wing with Pinto and Tkachuk I still think he looks way better in the middle.

 

[Bileur]

Ok so just bored and messing around…let’s say we decide Pinto can be our #2 centre, and comfortable with Greig as the 3

What’s your galaxy brain move(s)?
I would trade, move on from:
Norris
Gaudette
Hamonic
Forsberg
Perron

Then sign Marner to a stupid contract

$92.5 mill projected Cap

+ Marner $13

Still have $10 million to add:
Complimentary top 6 F
4th line F
Back up G

$82.6 million
F- $47.6

Stutzle 8 Marner 13
Tkachuk 8 Pinto 3 Batherson 5
Amadio 2.6 Grieg 2.5 Giroux 3.5
Ostapchuk 1 Gregor 1


D- $27
Sanderson 8 Zub 5
Chabot 8 Jensen 4
Kleven 1 JBD 1

G- 8
Ullmark 8

*Norris for a good winger would be the only type of larger move that would make sense.
We have a lot of centres:
Ostapchuk clearly needs a full time job at centre, and while Grieg has looked good on the wing with Pinto and Tkachuk I still think he looks way better in the middle.

Creative move.

I’d like it a lot more if it were the same plan but with Rantanen as an UFA target instead of Marner.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Creative move.

I’d like it a lot more if it were the same plan but with Rantanen as an UFA target instead of Marner.

Yeah that definitely works too.
We need to get an another high end player, and it’s got to be via UFA - need to keep our picks and add to them.

Our roster construction/window/cap structure is screaming for this kind of move IMO.
A huge opportunity for a one time ‘overpay’

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I don't think Norris or Perron are moveable without taking back money. Best case with Perron is that he comes back for playoffs and then LTIRetires. I like the player, but I'm skeptical about how he could contribute if his back is messed up as rumoured.

Marner also is very unlikely to sign here.

As much as I'd like to add a star in free agency, this past offseason should show our situation. We overpaid to attract some solid veteran pros, but completely struck out with Tanev.

If we trade Norris, I think it will look more like the Dubois trade than what people would want. We get back a veteran with a lower cap hit and less term but we don't get assets like picks or prospects.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I don't think Norris or Perron are moveable without taking back money. Best case with Perron is that he comes back for playoffs and then LTIRetires. I like the player, but I'm skeptical about how he could contribute if his back is messed up as rumoured.

Marner also is very unlikely to sign here.

As much as I'd like to add a star in free agency, this past offseason should show our situation. We overpaid to attract some solid veteran pros, but completely struck out with Tanev.

If we trade Norris, I think it will look more like the Dubois trade than what people would want. We get back a veteran with a lower cap hit and less term but we don't get assets like picks or prospects.

If we make out anywhere close to the Jets trade to LA re Dubois that would be a huge win... not likely though

 

[GCK]

Greig is the centre to move for a similar aged winger.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Ok so just bored and messing around…let’s say we decide Pinto can be our #2 centre, and comfortable with Greig as the 3

What’s your galaxy brain move(s)?
I would trade, move on from:
Norris
Gaudette
Hamonic
Forsberg
Perron

Then sign Marner to a stupid contract

$92.5 mill projected Cap

+ Marner $13

Still have $10 million to add:
Complimentary top 6 F
4th line F
Back up G

$82.6 million
F- $47.6

Stutzle 8 Marner 13
Tkachuk 8 Pinto 3 Batherson 5
Amadio 2.6 Grieg 2.5 Giroux 3.5
Ostapchuk 1 Gregor 1


D- $27
Sanderson 8 Zub 5
Chabot 8 Jensen 4
Kleven 1 JBD 1

G- 8
Ullmark 8

*Norris for a good winger would be the only type of larger move that would make sense.
We have a lot of centres:
Ostapchuk clearly needs a full time job at centre, and while Grieg has looked good on the wing with Pinto and Tkachuk I still think he looks way better in the middle.

I legit thought of signing marner this morning. If Giroux and Norris are gone

 

[Ice-Tray]

People want to sign Marner of all players? Big no thank you to the leafs biggest and softest playoff choker, and his pops.

 

[Emerica]

Arthur Kaliyev on waivers