I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt as well.
Just not based on his age. Which is what I’m more worried about. I’m not worried about his first 9 games here. I’m worried about his next 100
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Just not based on his age. Which is what I’m more worried about. I’m not worried about his first 9 games here. I’m worried about his next 100
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Pump the brakes on trading Pinto
Desharnais oh yeah some people here LOVED him Because he was on a cup finalist so therefore must mean he’s really really good.Vancouver trying to move Desharnais
Can probably block shots and clear the crease just from being a big body
CANNOT be worst than the worst D in the league just by the definition of it
Don't know if they could make the money work though
Canucks ‘trying to find a better fit’ for Vincent Desharnais: report
Yesterday, we noted that the trade noise involving Vancouver Canucks d...canucksarmy.com
Canucks shopping defenceman Desharnais — The Fourth Period
The Vancouver Canucks are looking to move out defenceman Vincent Desharnais.www.thefourthperiod.com
Odd that a PRO GM is trying to trade him after watching him for 1/4 of a season. Think you know better than the PROS?!
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Fowler is a pretty good pick up at that price
38.5% retention on Fowler is $2.5025M, leaving him at $3.9975M for STL
The prospect is Jeremie Biakabutuka
38.5% retention on Fowler is $2.5025M, leaving him at $3.9975M for STL
The prospect is Jeremie Biakabutuka
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He can play the right side... still be an upgrade and adds depth to the D corps.. Sens would need to make a move
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I know that, unfortunately the last time we acquired a left shot who could play the right side it didn't turn out to well. That being said Jensen has been a nice pick up for said player.
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There is a difference between has played and can play not that it matters at this point
Driedger's coming home.
who do we sign as a backup for 2025?
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Fowler had a 4 team trade list, which is about as close as you can get to a NTC. Of course, they could have threatened to waive him but then they wouldn't get an asset, and he actually might have cleared at his full cap.
Getting a 2nd back for a 4th is pretty good in the scenario.
They basically gave up two 4ths for a 2nd and made what in their situation is close to a lateral move with Fowler swapped for Trouba. Not to mention, they will probably get a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Trouba next year at the deadline, or even in the summer if they retain or take back a contract.
They are a budget team, so that's why I think these two things are linked. Trouba makes 6M in real money, and they shed about 4.6M with Fowler and 1.1M in 1-way money with Vaakanainen, who seems like he played his way off their team and was destined for waivers. So if he wasn't going to take up a roster spot, it's really close to real money in/real money out.
It's a nice series of moves for a budget team. Trouba for Fowler is a lateral move being close to cash in/cash out (not saying they play the same way, but they both will eat up 20+ minutes for Anaheim), but to make that move they got two upgrade two 4th round picks to a 2nd round pick, and they got the player with less trade protection, which may allow them to accrue more future picks from these trades.
Getting a 2nd back for a 4th is pretty good in the scenario.
They basically gave up two 4ths for a 2nd and made what in their situation is close to a lateral move with Fowler swapped for Trouba. Not to mention, they will probably get a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Trouba next year at the deadline, or even in the summer if they retain or take back a contract.
They are a budget team, so that's why I think these two things are linked. Trouba makes 6M in real money, and they shed about 4.6M with Fowler and 1.1M in 1-way money with Vaakanainen, who seems like he played his way off their team and was destined for waivers. So if he wasn't going to take up a roster spot, it's really close to real money in/real money out.
It's a nice series of moves for a budget team. Trouba for Fowler is a lateral move being close to cash in/cash out (not saying they play the same way, but they both will eat up 20+ minutes for Anaheim), but to make that move they got two upgrade two 4th round picks to a 2nd round pick, and they got the player with less trade protection, which may allow them to accrue more future picks from these trades.
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Brandon Saad for David Perron makes a lot of sense.
With the recent troubles his family has had to face, Perron might welcome going back to St.Louis, which seems to be his actual home city away from hockey.
Saad has a NTC, but as we have quickly learned, most teams just threaten to send the player to Columbus via waivers if they don't waive. So Ottawa not being a top destination doesn't matter.
Whether Perron is legitimately hurt, or whether his injury is your typical LTIR injury that the team and player mutually used to get him time away doesn't matter. If he isn't coming back soon, this gets Ottawa a veteran rental to replace him while also doing him a solid and sending him to St.Louis.
Basically a chance of scenery swap that makes sense for Perron on a personal level and is a win for everybody.
With the recent troubles his family has had to face, Perron might welcome going back to St.Louis, which seems to be his actual home city away from hockey.
Saad has a NTC, but as we have quickly learned, most teams just threaten to send the player to Columbus via waivers if they don't waive. So Ottawa not being a top destination doesn't matter.
Whether Perron is legitimately hurt, or whether his injury is your typical LTIR injury that the team and player mutually used to get him time away doesn't matter. If he isn't coming back soon, this gets Ottawa a veteran rental to replace him while also doing him a solid and sending him to St.Louis.
Basically a chance of scenery swap that makes sense for Perron on a personal level and is a win for everybody.
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-Brandon Saad (4.5M x 2Y)
-Joel Hofer (775k x 1Y - Arbitration Eligible RFA)
-David Perron (4M x 2Y)
-Anton Forsberg (2.75M x 1Y - UFA)
-Mads Sogaard (775k x 2Y - Injured)
This trade assumes Forsberg isn't out long term because the Blues will need a backup goalie to replace Hofer. It also assumes David Perron isn't read to return for a while and would welcome the idea of getting traded back to his home state.
Why the Blues do it?
This trade would be more about gaining cap flexibility next year without hurting their roster this year. They move out a player who isn't working for one they are more familiar with in a change of scenery move. They shed 500k from the cap next year. Also, Hofer will be eligible for arbitration, so he will certainly make more than Sogaard's 775k salary. Sogaard clearly is on his way out in Ottawa, and might be an intriguing gamble given his ceiling. I doubt he has much trade value, but I also doubt that Hofer does either. The Blues get Forsberg as a stop-gap to back them up. When you consider that Saad makes an extra 1M in cap over the lifetime of this trade, it's very close to cap for cap (9.75M over 2 years from the Blues for 10.75M over 2 years for Ottawa). You could argue that Ottawa should have to retain a small amount on Forsberg.
Why Ottawa does it?
If Perron is not working out here and would welcome a trade back to St.Louis for family reasons, there is nothing to lose since his contract becomes a sunk cost. Is Saad going to come here and be a great player? Probably not. But due to the unfortunate situation with Perron, he's missed almost the entire season so far, and it might help Ottawa to get someone who is already in mid-season form and ready to go, even if it is Brandon Saad. Sogaard is clearly done and has very little trade value, so swapping him for Hofner is of minimal concern. It gets Ottawa an additional change of scenery in the backup goalie position, and if Sogaard puts it all together and meets his immense potential, he is out west.
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We are winning with the roster we have. Why would we want Saad coming in and disrupting that if he is expected to be no more than replacement level player to Perron? It's either a legitimate upgrade for the lineup or nothing, imo. Perron being on the shelf is working for us.
-Brandon Saad (4.5M x 2Y)
-Joel Hofer (775k x 1Y - Arbitration Eligible RFA)
-David Perron (4M x 2Y)
-Anton Forsberg (2.75M x 1Y - UFA)
-Mads Sogaard (775k x 2Y - Injured)
This trade assumes Forsberg isn't out long term because the Blues will need a backup goalie to replace Hofer. It also assumes David Perron isn't read to return for a while and would welcome the idea of getting traded back to his home state.
Why the Blues do it?
This trade would be more about gaining cap flexibility next year without hurting their roster this year. They move out a player who isn't working for one they are more familiar with in a change of scenery move. They shed 500k from the cap next year. Also, Hofer will be eligible for arbitration, so he will certainly make more than Sogaard's 775k salary. Sogaard clearly is on his way out in Ottawa, and might be an intriguing gamble given his ceiling. I doubt he has much trade value, but I also doubt that Hofer does either. The Blues get Forsberg as a stop-gap to back them up. When you consider that Saad makes an extra 1M in cap over the lifetime of this trade, it's very close to cap for cap (9.75M over 2 years from the Blues for 10.75M over 2 years for Ottawa). You could argue that Ottawa should have to retain a small amount on Forsberg.
Why Ottawa does it?
If Perron is not working out here and would welcome a trade back to St.Louis for family reasons, there is nothing to lose since his contract becomes a sunk cost. Is Saad going to come here and be a great player? Probably not. But due to the unfortunate situation with Perron, he's missed almost the entire season so far, and it might help Ottawa to get someone who is already in mid-season form and ready to go, even if it is Brandon Saad. Sogaard is clearly done and has very little trade value, so swapping him for Hofner is of minimal concern. It gets Ottawa an additional change of scenery in the backup goalie position, and if Sogaard puts it all together and meets his immense potential, he is out west.
Also, not worth the additional cap next year.
The only way this makes sense is if Joel Hofer as a backup is the centrepiece. I don't know enough about Hofer to know if that's what you're suggesting but if he isn't better than Forsberg there is no sense downgrading there, even if Forsy is out for a few games.
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Is this rhetorical or are you actually looking to become an NHL GM and sign some veterans?
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Also Staois worked for the Oilers for a season when Desharnais was playing for the Oilers.
Staois should have a good insight about Vincent.
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The on ice dynamic is more like adding a rental. Saad isn't going to come in and disrupt the lineup.
If the deal is something like Saad/Hofer for Perron/Sogaard, with STL taking Forsberg to even out the cap, I would do that. Yes, it increases the cap next year, but it gets us additional cap this year. Depending on whether we will be in LTI, or back to banking cap soon, that could be big.
Sogaard is actually back from injury, so he could be the backup in STL, and maybe he puts it together in a different system and can be a .900 goalie for them.
If we keep Sogaard, he will never develop, but if we trade him, he will become a superstar goalie. There is nothing we can do about that, it's the way things are meant to work with goalies developed here.
It could simply be Saad w/ 500k retained for Perron and an asset, but St.Louis may not want to burn that retention spot. Which is why a Forsberg/Sogaard for Hofer swap comes into play.
Hamonic wasn't terrible again last night, so I'm hoping he can continue his recent level of play.
That said, Hamonic isn't going anywhere and I question whether Desharnais is better than JBD? Would there be any benefit to the Sens to swap those 2? Add Forsberg and Lankinen to the deal?
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No way Staios and Andlauer trade Perron going through the family issues he is. They want to have a human element to their reign; treat people right. No family issues they would make a deal if they felt it would make the team better
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Desharnais is not a good one to target imo. I'd argue he's barely an upgrade on Hamonic, if at all, and is paid twice as much. Glass and out guy that has no foot speed. Was taken out of the lineup at some point during their run last year for the betterment of their D, and even with Van rolling out multiple replacement level D, he can't crack the lineup.
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I was reading the Anaheim board around our two games against them and they were pretty down on Cam Fowler in terms of being their worst defenceman this year.
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I have gathered that there was some negativity around him. I thought he was at least fine when we played them. Never looked up his underlying numbers I would bet they are not so good based on some comments from that crowd on twitter
Can confirm his GA/60 and XGA/60 and HDCA/60 are not where you'd like to see them this year and last. Have not dug deeper into partners , linemates etc the Ducks have not exactly been in the thick of it so there could be a variety of other factors.
He still skates really well from what I saw.. but I did not focus on him or evaluate him
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