Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Big Muddy]

IF #9 is the one on the block, then:

Josh Norris (7.95M x 6) + Jacob Bernard-Docker (800K x 1) to CBJ for David Jiricek (915K x 2) + Kevin Labanc (775K x 1)

- CBJ gets their impact forward, has loads of cap space to absorb Norris' contract and ships out their disgruntled prospect in the process.

Giroux -Stützle - Batherson
Tkachuk - Pinto - Gaudette
Perron - Greig - Labanc
Amadio - Ostapchuk - Gregor

Sanderson - Jiricek
Chabot - Jensen
Kleven - Hamonic

Ullmark
Forsberg​

If Norris is worth almost nothing on the trade market, then I suppose a question to ask is why would the Jackets do this? Jiricek is disgruntled, so CBJ would accept scraps, and other teams would not offer much of anything for a good, cost controlled prospect? I guess that’s the theory, but it seems like a stretch of credulity. It could make more sense if they think Jiricek just isn’t that good maybe.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

How about Norris for Karlsson? @Agent Zuuuub

It made way more sense and would have been much easier to get Karlsson a couple of years ago.

Idk about now. But someone with Karlssons swagger and experience on the team and backend would be nice.

I also believe in Norris, he plays the game the right way without being told.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Sounds really great lmfao.
Guys is already back on pace for 30+ goals, 55% on the draw, and clearly is not concerned with his shoulder - playing physical not shying away.

Hope we get some shit players back who will
Slither out of our org in 2 or 3 year for nothing while not really providing cap relief or talent.

Norris is one of the guys in the core that we all know isn't the problem.

Idk unless it's Brady or Chabot i feel like they are just rearranging chairs.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

A lot boils down to how Staois & company are defining the problem.

I’m not sure if trading any one player will have enough of an impact if the core just isn’t good enough to be more than just a mediocre team when everything finally aligns and they play to their maximum ability. If we say, like so many do, that a return from Norris would be paltry, then we can’t expect that to turn our fortunes around.

And would sending a message or giving the players a good kick in the pants produce big benefits over the long term? Not sure it would.

They really need to accurately diagnose the problem. That’s step one. A problem well defined is a problem half solved. Its amazing how many failed efforts there have been in the past because step one (defining the problem) turned out to a swing and a miss.

Definitely. I struggle with that. I don't really believe in the idea that they just need to be shocked awake as the solution with a core member disappearing. There needs to be solutions coming in also and my assumption to this point is that Norris won't bring that in given his injury history and salary.

Also worth pointing out that he's actually played decently this year given the expectations heading in, and certainly better than Pinto/Grieg that would be stepping into 2/3C spots, at least in the short term. The idea that we need to move off an existing 8 mil long term piece I get and can support, and that's where maybe a move like this isn't really made with today in mind, it's about tomorrow, but I also think that'll mean everyone will hate it if it happens.

 

[PlayOn]

Seems like Bruce already suggested Norris was on the block this weekend but it was missed.

AT THE QUARTER MARK: New faces, but it's the same old story for Ottawa Senators

They're not in playoff position at the quarter-mark of the NHL season, but that could easily change if they could just be more consistent.

ottawacitizen.com

He also says they were trying to trade him last year before he got hurt again. Or I guess there was “talk” about it.

 

[Stylizer1]

Looks like they are getting ready to trade Chabot. Yost has a new article on how Chabot is cementing himself as part of the NHL elite.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Looks like they are getting ready to trade Chabot. Yost has a new article on how Chabot is cementing himself as part of the NHL elite.

Chabot for Pettersson + Karlsson would be nice as a base.

Doesn't Chabot have an NMC now though?

 

[Stylizer1]

It made way more sense and would have been much easier to get Karlsson a couple of years ago.

Idk about now. But someone with Karlssons swagger and experience on the team and backend would be nice.

I also believe in Norris, he plays the game the right way without being told.

Pittsburgh is on the wrong side of a championship.and are going to have to seriously start thinking of the future. I would love to get Karlsson back but getting rid of Norris would hurt us too much.

 

[Loach]

I somewhat recognize the quote.

Which movie is it from?

KEYSER SOZE!

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Are we going to trade Norris for Karlsson?

 

[Stylizer1]

Chabot for Pettersson + Karlsson would be nice as a base.

Doesn't Chabot have an NMC now though?

He has a M-NTC that kicked in this year. We would have to make a serious move to have enough cap space for both.

Are we going to trade Norris for Karlsson?

I would think Pitt would need a d in return.

 

[Loach]

That's how they have to play

 

[Ouroboros]

Seems like Bruce already suggested Norris was on the block this weekend but it was missed.

AT THE QUARTER MARK: New faces, but it's the same old story for Ottawa Senators

They're not in playoff position at the quarter-mark of the NHL season, but that could easily change if they could just be more consistent.

ottawacitizen.com

He also says they were trying to trade him last year before he got hurt again. Or I guess there was “talk” about it.

There were some whispers that the Sens and Blues were pretty deep on a Josh Norris/Brayden Schenn swap before his shoulder exploded again.

 

[DanyHeatley]

OTT: Brady Tkachuk, Thomas Chabot, Tyler Boucher, picks
EDM: Leon Draisaitl, Mattias Ekholm

OTT: Josh Norris, Shane Pinto, Travis Hamonic
NYI: JG Pageau, Noah Dobson


Grieg - Draisaitl - Batherson
Gaudette - Stutzle - Giroux
Perron - Pageau - Amadio
Gregor - Ostapchuk - Macewen

Sanderson - Zub
Ekholm - Dobson
Kleven - Jensen

Ullmark, Forsberg

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

OTT: Brady Tkachuk, Thomas Chabot, Tyler Boucher, picks
EDM: Leon Draisaitl, Mattias Ekholm

OTT: Josh Norris, Shane Pinto, Travis Hamonic
NYI: JG Pageau, Noah Dobson


Grieg - Draisaitl - Batherson
Gaudette - Stutzle - Giroux
Perron - Pageau - Amadio
Gregor - Ostapchuk - Macewen

Sanderson - Zub
Ekholm - Dobson
Kleven - Jensen

Ullmark, Forsberg

edmonton isn't touching that.

Both Drai and Ekholm are in another league compared to the players they are getting back.

 

[PlayOn]

There were some whispers that the Sens and Blues were pretty deep on a Josh Norris/Brayden Schenn swap before his shoulder exploded again.

Sounds like a bad idea to me, so probably true

 

[Wallet Inspector]

This hasn't stopped this regime from signing a player.

Nah but Cousins and Perron don't compare to Mr. Elbow.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I have this morbid feeling wemre going to do Zib/Brassard 2.0 with this Norris trade.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Josh Norris and JBD for Ryan O'Reilly and a defenseman.

3-way deal.

Schenn+Nashville 2nd to San Jose
Josh Norris+JBD to Nashville
Ryan O'Reilly+Cody Ceci to Ottawa

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Karlsson @ 5M+ROR to Ottawa (PIT Retains Half)
Norris+JBD+OTT 2027 2nd to Nashville
Schenn+VGK or TBL 1st from Nashville to Pittsburgh

Pittsburgh isn't moving Karlsson anywhere else, let alone getting picks and prospects for him.

Nashville effectively trades late 1st+ROR+Schenn (Negative value) for Norris+JBD+2027 2nd

Then Ottawa trades a late 1st and Schenn to Pittsburgh for Karlsson @ 5M.

There is going to be zero market for Karlsson based on what the market was like last time he was dealt after a Norris winning season. Getting a 1st for him, even a late one, is a miracle for the Penguins. Even if they have to retain and take Schenn's contract to facilitate it.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

OTT: Brady Tkachuk, Thomas Chabot, Tyler Boucher, picks
EDM: Leon Draisaitl, Mattias Ekholm

OTT: Josh Norris, Shane Pinto, Travis Hamonic
NYI: JG Pageau, Noah Dobson


Grieg - Draisaitl - Batherson
Gaudette - Stutzle - Giroux
Perron - Pageau - Amadio
Gregor - Ostapchuk - Macewen

Sanderson - Zub
Ekholm - Dobson
Kleven - Jensen

Ullmark, Forsberg

We're not getting Dobson for that. Don't want to discuss the Edmonton trade.