GDT: Free Agency: Dr Strangedubas or How We Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Nerd

[DRAGO 18]

Signing Sundqvist would've been such a better move than signing Eller.

I know friggin Reirden has his stupid fingers all over that one.

 

[Andy99]

Tarasenko is a weird fit for Carolina…good scorer but he’s not a hard working type and I don’t think he’d like playing for Rod the Bod lol

 

[Empoleon8771]

Aren't we out on Karlsson? Dubas sounded pretty resigned on that front at the presser, like he did his due diligence and is moving on.

No.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Honestly, with their D stacked already, that would be a smarter acquisition.

Yeah Just seems like a bizarre move. They already have Burns and just added Orlov

 

[Empoleon8771]

Signing Sundqvist would've been such a better move than signing Eller.

I know friggin Reirden has his stupid fingers all over that one.

They probably should bring in Sundqvist in addition to Eller. Sundqvist is only a winger at this point as far as I know.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

This is another negative for Dubas. Why would anyone willingly be friendly to people like Rossi and Yohe who will just make crap up if needed to throw him under the bus when the time comes.
Yes, that time will come.

Probably because the absolute worst shit those doofuses can come up with is shining accolades in comparison to the neck-deep cesspool he had to wade through in Toronto daily for the past however many years.

-edit- He's probably laughing *at* them, not *with* them, but being friendly about it.

 

[PensandCaps]

Aren't we out on Karlsson? Dubas sounded pretty resigned on that front at the presser, like he did his due diligence and is moving on.

I'd never trust what a GM says to the media.

Seems like the rumors ramped up after the presser.

Could throw Nosek and Gurianov into that list as well

Nosek, yes. Gurianov is basically an AHLer. Too bad defensively to play in a bottom 6.

 

[Turin]

Granlund and a 1st to Chicago for a 2nd (they have a bunch)

Petry, Carter (I know I know), 2nd, 3rd, Ty Smith/Pickering for Karlsson with 1.5 mill retained.

Send DeSmith down (depth, saves 600k)

Sign Sundqvist and Yamamoto (for example) for cheap short prove it deals.


1.1 in cap space.

Guentzel-Crosby-Rakell
Smith-Malkin-Rust
O'Connor-Eller-Yamamoto
Nieto-Acciari-Sundqvist
Nylander

Graves-Letang
Pettersson-Karlsson
Joseph-Rutta
Ruh

Jarry
Ned

 

[PensandCaps]

Honestly, with their D stacked already, that would be a smarter acquisition.

Not really. Tarasenko doesn't fit that style. And he is declining each year, getting slower.

 

[Turin]

Not really. Tarasenko doesn't fit that style. And he is declining each year, getting slower.

They need mold breakers there. That team is essentially spiritually governed by the principality of Tyler Kennedy. They could use some guys who can simply shoot the puck into the net without forechecking.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I understand why Penguins fans wanted to move on from Jarry, but I'm still really struggling to understand this whole idea from other fans that this Jarry contract was so bad. Like what did you expect Jarry to sign for in UFA if you think this deal was so bad? I completely understand why Penguins fans wanted to go a different route, but to hear Leafs fans come in and say "lol another Dubas special!" makes no sense to me.

Of the 11 goalies who have signed for more than Jarry (10 right now plus Sorokin), 7 of them have clearly worse stats over the past few years than Jarry. Jarry isn't even in the top-10 for bad goalie contracts in hockey. What kind of contract did you think he'd be getting as an extension?

I'm guessing Leafs fans are just coping with the disaster that Treliving has been or something.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

We needed someone who can move the needle in the top six imo…a better scorer as Sid and Geno regress…Smith isn’t it…what they should do to improve L3 is to have players like Smith and Rust playing on that line…that’s something Vegas had in the playoffs…that kind of depth is necessary to make the playoffs let alone win a round…this team will not have improved its finishing troubles and we have no one except maybe Granlund who can step into the top six if Sid/Geno/Jake get injured…it’s really a poorly thought out plan, as we still have no depth scoring

At 5v5 Smith definitely helps. We weren't gonna do much better there.
2.07 5v5 P/60 over his 400 games in Vegas. Guentzel's a 2.25 in that same time frame, and he is the gold standard for 5v5 production for us.
So Smith's average is what Zucker gave us last year, at least in point rate.

You're talking about a PP1 difference maker AND a top 6 boss. Who were they gonna get of that quality to come here? Meier wasn't interested.
That's only attainable through trade, at heavy asset costs.

 

[Ryder71]

Not really. Tarasenko doesn't fit that style. And he is declining each year, getting slower.

And EK does? He's a glorified rover, defense be damned. lol

If Tarasenko doesn't make sense he at least makes sense in as much as he's a forward. Their defense as is is elite.

 

[PensandCaps]

They need mold breakers there. That team is essentially spiritual governed by the principality of Tyler Kennedy. They could use some guys who can simply shoot the puck into the net without forechecking.

Tarasenko not really that guy anymore.

He's still a sniper but, a step slower.

I think he'd be really good with Vegas, they slow it down a little bit.

And EK does? He's a glorified rover, defense be damned. lol

If Tarasenko doesn't make sense he at least makes sense in as much as he's a forward. Their defense as is is elite.

Well, because Karlsson is the best offensive player they'll ever have in their history.

He'll provide way more offense than over the hill Tarasenko will.

 

[66-30-33]

Yeah Just seems like a bizarre move. They already have Burns and just added Orlov

Not to mention July 9th they have a deal in place to trade for Anthony Deangelo.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I wonder if it's possible that Boston has the biggest drop off in points from one season to the next in NHL history. What's the record now? They might go from 135pts to something like 90pts with how their forward group's looking. They still have Pasta and Marchand, but that's about it really up front.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Not to mention July 9th they have a deal in place to trade for Anthony Deangelo.

I think that deals probably dead honestly

 

[Turin]

I understand why Penguins fans wanted to move on from Jarry, but I'm still really struggling to understand this whole idea from other fans that this Jarry contract was so bad. Like what did you expect Jarry to sign for in UFA if you think this deal was so bad? I completely understand why Penguins fans wanted to go a different route, but to hear Leafs fans come in and say "lol another Dubas special!" makes no sense to me.

Of the 11 goalies who have signed for more than Jarry (10 right now plus Sorokin), 7 of them have clearly worse stats over the past few years than Jarry. Jarry isn't even in the top-10 for bad goalie contracts in hockey. What kind of contract did you think he'd be getting as an extension?

I'm guessing Leafs fans are just coping with the disaster that Treliving has been or something.

I wanted to move on from Jarry but if the Pens don't give him that deal somebody like Ottawa does and they are left without a goalie. Korpisalo aint the guy. Hellebuyck is way too expensive (I think it's more likely than not Chevy just keeps him) and Boston for all we know was demanding significant assets for Ullmark or Swayman to an Eastern team (as they should).

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I understand why Penguins fans wanted to move on from Jarry, but I'm still really struggling to understand this whole idea from other fans that this Jarry contract was so bad. Like what did you expect Jarry to sign for in UFA if you think this deal was so bad? I completely understand why Penguins fans wanted to go a different route, but to hear Leafs fans come in and say "lol another Dubas special!" makes no sense to me.

Of the 11 goalies who have signed for more than Jarry (10 right now plus Sorokin), 7 of them have clearly worse stats over the past few years than Jarry. Jarry isn't even in the top-10 for bad goalie contracts in hockey. What kind of contract did you think he'd be getting as an extension?

I'm guessing Leafs fans are just coping with the disaster that Treliving has been or something.

Oh, I just f***ing can't stand Jarry. It's probably irrational, but f*** that dork ass nerd.

 

[Andy99]

At 5v5 Smith definitely helps. We weren't gonna do much better there.
2.07 5v5 P/60 over his 400 games in Vegas. Guentzel's a 2.25 in that same time frame, and he is the gold standard for 5v5 production for us.
So Smith's average is what Zucker gave us last year, at least in point rate.

You're talking about a PP1 difference maker AND a top 6 boss. Who were they gonna get of that quality to come here? Meier wasn't interested.
That's only attainable through trade, at heavy asset costs.

I’m talking pure goal scorer…yeah, DeBrincat was probably the only available but I would have been more than happy to trade this yea’s first, Pickering and next year for difference makers now, young ones…

 

[Empoleon8771]

Oh, I just f***ing can't stand Jarry. It's probably irrational, but f*** that dork ass nerd.

Oh no I'm not referring to Penguins fans, I'm referring to other fans.

I totally understand Penguins fans wanting something new, I disagree with it but I understand it. But I fundamentally do not understand like Leafs fans acting like this is some horrendous deal.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Oh no I'm not referring to Penguins fans, I'm referring to other fans.

I totally understand Penguins fans wanting something new, I disagree with it but I understand it. But I fundamentally do not understand like Leafs fans acting like this is some horrendous deal.

Oh, well Leafs fans are damaged. I know this because I'm a Bills fan, and similarly damaged.

 

[DRAGO 18]

I think that deals probably dead honestly

Nope.

 

[domaug]

fwiw these would be my grades of Dubas's acquisitions so far, not including his draft

Smith (trade): A
Nieto: C
Koppanen: C+
Acciari: B-
Nedeljkovic: B
Graves: A-
Jarry: D
Eller: C-

Reilly Smith: pretty damn good trade for a great player that instantly replaces Zucker

Matt Nieto: just a 4th liner, it's fine if he still has some speed and can inject energy when possible, otherwise it doesn't break the bank, though admittedly they could've targeted better 4th liners for a little more money

Joona Koppanen: don't know anything about him or how he plays, but he has a cool name

Noel Acciari: wouldn't have been my choice and he won't score much, but he's still a decent pickup for the bottom 6, should slot in and do enough for them

Alex Nedeljkovic: awesome if he can replace DeSmith in the NHL lineup and make some strong spot starts for Jarry, because Jarry NEEDS it

Ryan Graves: my favorite signing of the day, I think we're going to LOVE him as a Dumoulin replacement especially at the price tag, and I have warmed up to the term

Tristan Jarry: if it weren't for the bad goaltending market, I would give this contract an F, because if we're basing it off his track record, I think the contract is at least a million dollars per year too expensive and at least two years too long

Lars Eller: he's not going to help solve their bottom 6 scoring problem, but he's a decent PKer and plays decent defense, I suppose; I'm not a fan of the signing but I get it

 

[DesertPenguin]

The thing is, what do we have as far as realistic trade chips to get compliant? Jake isn’t getting moved, Rust has an NMC. Nobody wants Petry and he’d have to waive. POJ doesn’t really make enough to help, and the team thinks Pettersson is probably too valuable for to move.

I'm trying to figure this out. It's bizarre. Maybe Jeff Carter just became allergic to hockey and is going to be LTIRed the first day of camp? Or maybe Ruuta is going somewhere. Or there is a Granlund deal lined up we don't know about. Those are the only three pieces I see any chance of moving.