GDT: Free Agency Day 1: You're from Boston? Come on down

[Pancakes]

Tatar's career is that of Cody Franson's.

A career loser who got worked whenever he was on an actual championship caliber squad who analytic geeks said was a top tier player.

Career loser he might be but he's a good regular season player at least. He would have been helpful here last year or even now.

If he sucks in the playoffs who cares. That might be relevant to like the Rangers or someone like that but not us . We'd be happy just to get there

I was pulling for POJ and he showed some interesting flashes here and there.

But as an apparent resident embarrassment and over-reactor even I don't much care about all that. He was given some good chances here IMO.

I will say I liked him best out of all the young "whatever" defensemen we have.

He's certainly no worse than the garbage truck full of Shea, Ludvig, St Ivany, Ty Smith, etc. I'd prolly take POJ over all of those.

POJ ain't that good either though. I do think he has intriguing tools but I dunno that he's ever putting it all together at this point.

 

[Gurglesons]

Career loser he might be but he's a good regular season player at least. He would have been helpful here last year or even now.

If he sucks in the playoffs who cares. That might be relevant to like the Rangers or someone like that but not us . We'd be happy just to get there

I don't think he is a good regular season player.

He's like ZAR. People look at goal share and expected goal share and say that makes him good.

But Tatar is like Lee Stempniak. He's a whatever player.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I will say I liked him best out of all the young "whatever" defensemen we have.

He's certainly no worse than the garbage truck full of Shea, Ludvig, St Ivany, Ty Smith, etc. I'd prolly take POJ over all of those.

POJ ain't that good either though. I do think he has intriguing tools but I dunno that he's ever putting it all together at this point.

He's the defenseman version of a bunch of this team's forwards... some interesting tools but no discernable outstanding characteristics or abilities. Too caught in the mushy middle. Has some offensive ability but not quite enough... has some defensive acumen but not enough to be truly solid.

Which, coincidentally, is why I have no use for Tatar. He's just another big ol "whatever" player you can get for free from basically every team's farm system. Even this team's. He's not a 50-60 point player anymore... he's a 30 point guy and on a team like this he'd be lucky to even be that.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Interesting. I was told he was going to be re-signed by you and play a big part of our youth and hunger moment.

I thought he was going to be re-signed, but I know I didn't say the latter part, because I've never used the phrase "youth and hunger."

I would have signed POJ. I would have preferred to acquire Mathieu Joseph along with picks instead of Kevin Hayes. I would not have signed Beauvilier.

Just because I believe in Dubas' plan does not mean I 100% agree with every signing or trade he's made.

 

[Pancakes]

I don't think he is a good regular season player.

He's like ZAR. People look at goal share and expected goal share and say that makes him good.

But Tatar is like Lee Stempniak. He's a whatever player.

I don't think he's great or anything but I think he's a useful player

 

[Gurglesons]

I thought he was going to be re-signed, but I know I didn't say the latter part, because I've never used the phrase "youth and hunger."

I would have signed POJ. I would have preferred to acquire Mathieu Joseph along with picks instead of Kevin Hayes. I would not have signed Beauvilier.

Just because I believe in Dubas' plan does not mean I 100% agree with every signing or trade he's made.

So you don't like any of Dubas' moves, but you believe in his plan?

 

[66-30-33]

I would have liked POJ's brother on this team, maybe we trade POJ to the Blues now.

 

[Freeptop]

In looking at what teams are over the cap and thus, might be targets to for "sell cap for draft picks" kind of trades, I ended up discovering that the Oilers are now older than the Pens
(30.5 for the Oilers vs 29.9 for the Pens; for the Pens, a veritable youth movement )

As a side note - this pretty much makes me expect the Pens to end up taking on one of the Oilers' oldest players somehow.

 

[Pancakes]

So....July 2nd is here which is the date I set for myself to basically evaluate Dubas' moves. My verdict? I'm fine with the direction that he chose to take. The players he signed or acquired aren't going to move the needle much, but they won't hamstring the rebuild either.

As things stand I don't expect us to make the playoffs. There's just not enough there in the top six and while the bottom six should be quite improved over last year there's still not enough there either. I don't think we're going to have the offense to get in unless our goaltending duo has a tremendous year. I fully expect our PP will continue to suck as well. Sully is still here and I don't trust Quinn to fix it.

If Dubas finds a way to add a top six forward to this roster before the season starts I'd feel a lot more comfortable about our playoff chances but it doesn't seem likely to happen.

They should 100% trade MP instead of extending him. I'm fine if they wait until the deadline to do so just in case the team finds a way to be competitive, but if they're out of it he should be gone.

 

[66-30-33]

It'd be pretty awesome if we traded Graves to Seattle.

Ducks need to get to the cap floor, we could trade him there for say Ross Johnston? 1.5M this year and next. Pens save cap, Ducks get help getting to the cap. Rebuilding anyway.

 

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[KrisLetAngry]

Ducks need to get to the cap floor, we could trade him there for say Ross Johnston? 1.5M this year and next. Pens save cap, Ducks get help getting to the cap. Rebuilding anyway.

I'd give him to the Ducks . Addition by subtraction.

Graves and Dumo can PK for them.

 

[SEALBound]

I thought he was going to be re-signed, but I know I didn't say the latter part, because I've never used the phrase "youth and hunger."

I would have signed POJ. I would have preferred to acquire Mathieu Joseph along with picks instead of Kevin Hayes. I would not have signed Beauvilier.

Just because I believe in Dubas' plan does not mean I 100% agree with every signing or trade he's made.

And that's just it. I'm going to sit here and wonder why they "brought in Hayes" when I know full f***ing well the major incentive was the 2nd round pick which helps the pursuit of restocking the system. At the same time I can bemoan things like Harkins, Eller, Acciari, and Nieto. Nieto, Eller, and Acciari are really a thorn in the side of the entire roster right now because they are the anti-thesis to the new direction of the team. Nieto and Acciari on one-year deals and Eller on a two year deal last year would have been much more ideal.

Beauvillier, whatever. At that price and term it's hard to get too mad. I'm less mad about him than Acciari because Beau actually has a potential offensive upside. Lizotte I don't mind but it's confusing because we already have...Acciari. They are in the same mold but whatever. Again at that price and term it's hard to get too mad. Aho, same thing.

Everyone else is a WBS guy or irrelevant depth player.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

So....July 2nd is here which is the date I set for myself to basically evaluate Dubas' moves. My verdict? I'm fine with the direction that he chose to take. The players he signed or acquired aren't going to move the needle much, but they won't hamstring the rebuild either.

As things stand I don't expect us to make the playoffs. There's just not enough there in the top six and while the bottom six should be quite improved over last year there's still not enough there either. I don't think we're going to have the offense to get in unless our goaltending duo has a tremendous year. I fully expect our PP will continue to suck as well. Sully is still here and I don't trust Quinn to fix it.

If Dubas finds a way to add a top six forward to this roster before the season starts I'd feel a lot more comfortable about our playoff chances but it doesn't seem likely to happen.

They should 100% trade MP instead of extending him. I'm fine if they wait until the deadline to do so just in case the team finds a way to be competitive, but if they're out of it he should be gone.

You wait till the deadline to trade MP. Defensemen always have their value bloated come deadline. If we are clearly out. You move him then. I have a feeling if he is playing a decent game this year he could bring in a good prospect +.

 

[Gurglesons]

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[AuroraBorealis]

So....July 2nd is here which is the date I set for myself to basically evaluate Dubas' moves. My verdict? I'm fine with the direction that he chose to take. The players he signed or acquired aren't going to move the needle much, but they won't hamstring the rebuild either.

As things stand I don't expect us to make the playoffs. There's just not enough there in the top six and while the bottom six should be quite improved over last year there's still not enough there either. I don't think we're going to have the offense to get in unless our goaltending duo has a tremendous year. I fully expect our PP will continue to suck as well. Sully is still here and I don't trust Quinn to fix it.

If Dubas finds a way to add a top six forward to this roster before the season starts I'd feel a lot more comfortable about our playoff chances but it doesn't seem likely to happen.

They should 100% trade MP instead of extending him. I'm fine if they wait until the deadline to do so just in case the team finds a way to be competitive, but if they're out of it he should be gone.

Good. Making the playoffs and getting dumpstered in R1 would only slow down the growth of what's most important.
We should be drafting higher in this upcoming deep draft. We'll be free to trade whatever has value at the deadline this way as well.

They don't need a top-six Forward. They need to use that money to take on a bad contract in exchange for pick(s).
I guess there's hope that he performs well here and you can flip him at the deadline, but why risk it? Just use the money to get picks now. Easy.

 

[CascadiaPenguin]

Any suggestions on how you think I can get Vegas to lick my balls?

Trust me, that's an easy one...

 

[AuroraBorealis]

You wait till the deadline to trade MP. Defensemen always have their value bloated come deadline. If we are clearly out. You move him then. I have a feeling if he is playing a decent game this year he could bring in a good prospect +.

That's an unnecessary risk. What if he sucks this year and decreases his value? His value is at its peak right now. Now is the time to strike.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

So you don't like any of Dubas' moves, but you believe in his plan?

That's a gross misinterpretation of what I said. I don't agree with SOME of Dubas' moves, but I agree with enough of them and with how he's outlined his plan that I am 100% on board with the direction this team is headed.

And even some of the ones I don't agree with - such as the Hayes trade - I'm fine with because it still serves the purpose. I would have preferred acquiring a different player along with the picks, but that's like saying I'd prefer to eat pizza tonight instead of a cheeseburger. Both are fine, but I'd prefer one over the other.

 

[Ulf5]

Can anyone explain a single UFA signing by Dubas to me?

Lizotte actually is a good signing. Youngish (26), fast, effective pker, decent offensive production for his average 12:30 career atoi, can move up to the 3rd line, ball of energy....
The rest of the signings? Got me by the balls.

 

[molon labe]

That's an unnecessary risk. What if he sucks this year and decreases his value? His value is at its peak right now. Now is the time to strike.

He's also a Penguin - so there's a bigger risk of, you know, taking a puck off his shoe in the parking lot at game 35 and only returning 3 days after the deadline.

 

[SEALBound]

That's an unnecessary risk. What if he sucks this year and decreases his value? His value is at its peak right now. Now is the time to strike.

No, the time to have struck was prior to the draft. An expiring contract for a guy like Pettersson will always be more valuable at the TDL to a team needing to bolster their defense. They get to see what's working and not working and it's easier to fit them in with the cap. Additionally, you can keep 50% or so, and by then, you know you're likely out of the hunt, so who cares. And you're right, it's not without risk. I'd rather risk it. I think most GMs would.

 

[Ulf5]

It'd be pretty awesome if we traded Graves to Seattle.

What other teams need D atm?

 

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[Ulf5]

Career loser he might be but he's a good regular season player at least. He would have been helpful here last year or even now.

If he sucks in the playoffs who cares. That might be relevant to like the Rangers or someone like that but not us . We'd be happy just to get there


I will say I liked him best out of all the young "whatever" defensemen we have.

He's certainly no worse than the garbage truck full of Shea, Ludvig, St Ivany, Ty Smith, etc. I'd prolly take POJ over all of those.

POJ ain't that good either though. I do think he has intriguing tools but I dunno that he's ever putting it all together at this point.

I think POJ will carve an NHL role for himself if he's ever de-Sullivanized.