Free Agency and Trade Thread - Playoff Edition

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shortfuze

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Simmonds is done, stick a fork in him. There's one thing worse than a soft player: a once hard-nosed player who can't play and isn't really all that hard-nosed any longer.
I’m not saying will or won’t be the same player. But he did have a lot of issues last off season to deal with. Sometimes it takes a while to heal. He could come back next year looking like the same player he was. Or it might make him worse. But teams will take a chance on him.
 

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I’m not saying will or won’t be the same player. But he did have a lot of issues last off season to deal with. Sometimes it takes a while to heal. He could come back next year looking like the same player he was. Or it might make him worse. But teams will take a chance on him.

I doubt this gets it done but 2.5M x2 years is basically what I would personally offer him at this point, maybe 3M if it got competitive. Anything more then that on $ or term and let someone else enjoy. His body is done.
 

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I agree that the team could use a bit more pushback, but I don’t see why the existing personnel can’t do more of it.
Kadri, and Hyman initiate checks and finish them....but why can’t more guys....Johnsson, Kap, Gauthier, Brown, Auston.
Can’t see Willy moved this off-season. The optics, perceived value.
very good point, if every player stepped up physically it wouldn't be so apparent just how soft this team is. Regardless, I'd love to find a Ferland/Wilson type player, these guys do it all and having one of them on the team sends a message to opposing teams that liberties won't be tolerated and would probably help the existing players step up in the physicality department.
 

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very good point, if every player stepped up physically it wouldn't be so apparent just how soft this team is. Regardless, I'd love to find a Ferland/Wilson type player, these guys do it all and having one of them on the team sends a message to opposing teams that liberties won't be tolerated and would probably help the existing players step up in the physicality department.

Wilson is unique in todays game I think, and partly because he is in an environment that is perfect for what he can do. Ferland isn't the same wrecking machine in a fight, but may be more likely to give the same or better performance on another club. He would be expensive though because there are lots of clubs with more cap space than talent who would run up the bidding. If Willie was moved out they might find the room for him, and whether you think the club desperately needs his tool set or not, he at least plays a different game than the guys they have now. They don't have the money to go big game hunting until they find a way to drop a bunch of salary (good luck).
 

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Simmonds would be nice, since his contract would be cheap.

If he takes a deal similar to Maroon's I'd be ok with it.

I feel like a bad GM will give him more money then what he is worth based on his career and not what he is now.
 

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I feel like a bad GM will give him more money then what he is worth based on his career and not what he is now.

I honestly doubt he'll get that.

He put up 30 points in 79 games this year, including 3 in 17 games on a good team.

his market won't be there.
 

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I honestly doubt he'll get that.

He put up 30 points in 79 games this year, including 3 in 17 games on a good team.

his market won't be there.

Maroon signed for what? 1.5? 1.75? I think he might have taken less to go play in St.Louis for family purposes.

I think Simmonds actual value is probably around 2.5M x2 years but after that, not so keen to have him. He relies on the PP to be effective.
 

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If we're adding some snarl that can play I would bet more on the likes of McGinn/Hathaway than any of the big guns
 

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Wilson is unique in todays game I think, and partly because he is in an environment that is perfect for what he can do. Ferland isn't the same wrecking machine in a fight, but may be more likely to give the same or better performance on another club. He would be expensive though because there are lots of clubs with more cap space than talent who would run up the bidding. If Willie was moved out they might find the room for him, and whether you think the club desperately needs his tool set or not, he at least plays a different game than the guys they have now. They don't have the money to go big game hunting until they find a way to drop a bunch of salary (good luck).
Ferland is ideal imo, other than he'll get paid on his next contract! The guys does everything well, and I like the way he fights, his fights are quite brief, he usually throws punches with bad intentions and the fight usually ends up on the ice quickly. Less wear and tear on the player. Wilson on the other hand has long battles with many punches thrown, these fight will catch up to him sooner than later. Both players can do it all imo. I'd love to have this type of player added to the Leafs.
 

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I think the Management group did it to themselves setting the team up to play without any snarl. Rather than a message that says "yeah we don't have any fighters but we need to play with fight and fire and exercise team toughness, like all the contenders do" we said "our retailation is the power play".

It's a pretty soft message that appears to have landed for better or worse on this team.
 

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The money available for middle tier wingers is likely going to start dropping by a fair amount. Some of these guys will need to start taking paycuts to stay in the league
 

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Brown out, Crouse in
Ennis out, Clifford in
Gauthier out, Boyle in
Zaitsev out, Petrovic in
I'd be okay with Crouse for Brown, but that's it. Ennis will be paid next season so he won't be back, Goat's fine, and Zaitev needs to go, but not sure Petroic's the answer.
 
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WTFMAN99

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If we're adding some snarl that can play I would bet more on the likes of McGinn/Hathaway than any of the big guns

Those aren't bad adds either. I don't dislike the swap of Brown and Kassian...I like the "psycho" element that Kassian brings.

McGinn missed a lot of time this year, 1 year at 1-1.5M in the bottom 6 is a smart add. Not sure what Hathaway costs to add.
 

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I doubt this gets it done but 2.5M x2 years is basically what I would personally offer him at this point, maybe 3M if it got competitive. Anything more then that on $ or term and let someone else enjoy. His body is done.
I wouldn’t have a problem doing 1 year 3 million if they managed to move out some money.
 

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Go back and look at the last 10 cup winners and one thing they all possesed was a veteran 4th line C and that 4th line was not a liabilty.

Caps has beagle, pens had Cullen, hawks had vermette, Kings had Lewis.

Now leafs need D 1st but Gauthier and that 4line are not built to play playoff hockey. They will get cycled all game long
 

WTFMAN99

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Go back and look at the last 10 cup winners and one thing they all possesed was a veteran 4th line C and that 4th line was not a liabilty.

Caps has beagle, pens had Cullen, hawks had vermette, Kings had Lewis.

Now leafs need D 1st but Gauthier and that 4line are not built to play playoff hockey. They will get cycled all game long

4th line has been a massive flop.
 

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I feel like a bad GM will give him more money then what he is worth based on his career and not what he is now.

Maroon had a bad back and I think that scared some interest off. Not quite so with Simmonds. He would be a great get on a short term deal.
 

rumman

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Maroon had a bad back and I think that scared some interest off. Not quite so with Simmonds. He would be a great get on a short term deal.
Maroon wouldn't be the worst choice as long as term and dollars were reasonable, not sure if his desire to stay in St. Louis is still there after rumors he was on the block after signing team friendly deal to be there?
 

rumman

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Miles Wood is another player I'd be interested in, but at 2.75 per moves would have to be made.
 
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