Confirmed with Link: Frederic & Max Jones traded to Oilers for 2nd , 4th and Max Wanner

[Montecristo]

Always very generous rounding around here

Frederic a 20 goal scorer
Debrusk a 30 goal scorer

Id call it regular generous going from 18-20. Not very generous. Also i could have sworn he had 20 last year. Probably read it somewhere, here probably. Oh well. I didnt mean it. 18 goal/40 point physical high energy bottom 6er. Thats what he was last year.

 

[Oates2Neely]

I’m very pro sell but Freddy is the kind of guy I keep - some offensive potential with extra entertainment value added in

So no, I don’t like the deal - which doesn’t make it an objectively bad deal of course, the only thing becoming objective to me is id run this franchise differently than most

He was the definition of inconsistent. He doesn’t hunt for pucks, and he’s never really been an effective hitter. He absolutely had the tools to be a 20 goal 50 point physical top 6 forward, but he lacks the motor. For every good game he follows it up with 9 games where he’s unnoticeable on the ice.

Decent trade return for Sweeney. I’ve had enough of the Frederic experience.

 

[HHHH]

I liked this version of Frederic -->

I feel like we hand't seen that guy in a while...

 

[ON3M4N]

Why does it seem like when boston wants to add they have to give up a ton and when they want to sell they don’t get a ton back.

They traded a first for nash
They traded a first for orlov
They traded 2 seconds! For brett connolly

They give up a 20 goal scorer former 1st round pick in his prime and get a 2nd and a 4th and have to kick in a depth guy

Lets reverse this for a moment. Lets assume the Bruins are adding for a playoff run.

Would you be happy if Boston traded a 2nd + 4th for a 3rd line winger whose a pending UFA and has 8G/7A on the season?

 

[Montecristo]

Lets reverse this for a moment. Lets assume the Bruins are adding for a playoff run.

Would you be happy if Boston traded a 2nd + 4th for a 3rd line winger whose a pending UFA and has 8G/7A on the season?

Thats insane. They wouldnt. Theyd trade a 2nd and a 3rd

Also just wondering, could boston have gotten a better return if they had eaten 50% of frederics contract instead of using new jersey or whoever the 3rd team is? Why couldnt they have done that?

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

He was the definition of inconsistent. He doesn’t hunt for pucks, and he’s never really been an effective hitter. He absolutely had the tools to be a 20 goal 50 point physical top 6 forward, but he lacks the motor. For every good game he follows it up with 9 games where he’s unnoticeable on the ice.

Decent trade return for Sweeney. I’ve had enough of the Frederic experience.

Agree that we got fair value. Can’t see him ever as a top 6 forward unless he grows a new set of hands. Agree, too inconsistent. Like that he willingly fought often, but he’s not really what you’d call a good fighter. We had to move on.

 

[neelynugs]

Why do you expect Lohrei to get?

I’m bad at this…..but I’ll throw out a 2 year bridge deal at 3.45 per year.
(Would he still be RFA in 2 years)?

probably in that range for 2 years, i mean the guy should be pushing 40 points by the end of the season.

good luck to freddy - good kid

 

[BruinDust]

Thats insane. They wouldnt. Theyd trade a 2nd and a 3rd

Also just wondering, could boston have gotten a better return if they had eaten 50% of frederics contract instead of using new jersey or whoever the 3rd team is? Why couldnt they have done that?

The Bruins did eat the 50%. Then NJ ate 50% of the remaining 50%, cutting his salary down by 75% of it's original value. The cap hit to Edmonton is a shade over 500k.

 

[22Brad Park]

Why does it seem like when boston wants to add they have to give up a ton and when they want to sell they don’t get a ton back.

They traded a first for nash
They traded a first for orlov
They traded 2 seconds! For brett connolly

They give up a 20 goal scorer former 1st round pick in his prime and get a 2nd and a 4th and have to kick in a depth guy

It's that GM.Once you get that type reputation things stay that way .Sooner he is gone the better.

 

[22Brad Park]

Lets reverse this for a moment. Lets assume the Bruins are adding for a playoff run.

Would you be happy if Boston traded a 2nd + 4th for a 3rd line winger whose a pending UFA and has 8G/7A on the season?

Considering Sweeney traded a 2nd & 4th for Stempniak in a loser season and 3rd for Rinaldo I would expect it

 

[ON3M4N]

Considering Sweeney traded a 2nd & 4th for Stempniak in a loser season and 3rd for Rinaldo I would expect it

Soooo that kind of proves the point doesn't it? If we gave up that package for a player that has produced like Frederic this season, people would be pissed.

 

[Terrier]

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[Brad3277]

No thank you.

I'm not saying to deliberately tank. Every team goes through this clear decline in time. Drag it out and the rebuild takes longer. It's over. Sell and stink and restack. We're not even a Wild Card team and have one of the worst prospect pools in the league.

The boat is sinking and it's clear. I don't want to re-live the Sinden years where the team was only good enough to make the first round and then get torpedoed. Excluding the EN goal, they just gave up five goals to one of the worst offensive teams in the league. They don't have a coach. It's over brother.

 

[goldenblack]

We traded an injured UFA in a mega slump and someone thinks we didn't get enough back?

That's a take!

Obviously we'd have gotten more if he was red hot and healthy

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I’m rooting for the guy. Despite being disappointing most of the time, his style when “on” made him a pretty likable player IMO.

Still, didn’t see him as a piece to hang onto moving forward. He’s had more than enough time to prove himself as an at all reliable or consistent NHL forward and he hasn’t done it. Best case scenario for him is he gets onto a third line with some other talent and puts up 30-40 pts. But I’m afraid that anyone clinging to the notion that he can be a “tone setter” is going to end up perpetually disappointed.

As I’ve said before, he reminds me of Nick Ritchie. Given a lot of rope due to draft position and “what he could become” but is a letdown the majority of the time with what often seems like a lack of real drive. I don’t wish for it at all but wouldn’t be surprised if he’s fighting for employment and/or is bought out of his next contract within a couple years.

Would be delighted if he does otherwise.

 

[BruinDust]

The fact that Sweeney was willing to bring in a 3rd team, to do all these cap gymnastics to get Frederic down to a number the Oilers could fit in, tells me this was the best deal on the table. I'd say a lot of the offers were from upper-echelon teams just offering 2nd rounders and probably further out than 2025. 2nd rounders that would of been closer to the bottom of the round. This way, Sweeney got an extra 4th and a RD prospect that helps beef up a right-shot D prospect pool that was largely barren.

 

[BruinDust]

I’m rooting for the guy. Despite being disappointing most of the time, his style when “on” made him a pretty likable player IMO.

Still, didn’t him as a piece to hang onto moving forward. He’s had more than enough time to prove himself as an at all reliable or consistent NHL forward and he hasn’t done it. Best case scenario for him is he gets onto a third line with some other talent and puts up 30-40 pts. But I’m afraid that anyone clinging to the notion that he can be a “tone setter” is going to end up perpetually disappointed.

I always respect the fact he would eagerly stand up for his teammates.

But after 8 years, we still don't even know what position he's best suited for. I think he's best as a RW but this year's coaching staff refused to use him over there.

It's too bad he's injured, because frankly I think there is an opening in Edmonton's top six. They've used Podkolzen with Draisaitl a lot this year. Maybe playing with a faster team in Edmonton will force him to move his feet more often which ultimately was his fatal flaw here. Just didn't keep his feet moving enough and when he wasn't, he was borderline useless.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I always respect the fact he would eagerly stand up for his teammates.

But after 8 years, we still don't even know what position he's best suited for. I think he's best as a RW but this year's coaching staff refused to use him over there.

It's too bad he's injured, because frankly I think there is an opening in Edmonton's top six. They've used Podkolzen with Draisaitl a lot this year. Maybe playing with a faster team in Edmonton will force him to move his feet more often which ultimately was his fatal flaw here. Just didn't keep his feet moving enough and when he wasn't, he was borderline useless.

He’s had 8 years. Under three different coaches. No one within the franchise owes him anything.

It’s admittedly hard for me to have an unbiased conversation on Fred. When he put up 40 pts, I thought it was the luckiest 40 point season ever and when he came crashing down right after, it was tough not to feel the strong pull of confirmation bias. It’s nearly identical to how I felt after Jimmy Hayes’ first season here (had no idea how a player that looked like he did night and night out was putting up points) in which he then came crashing down the very next season.

Fred’s 40 point season was the outlier and I think it’s really difficult for people (who can’t stop envisioning a physical 40 point forward that throws right handed bombs) to accept that isn’t what he actually is. His long-term role in this league is bottom 6 grinder. And after a couple seasons of being put into scoring roles (right or wrong), I don’t think he’s willing or able to settle in to the role that will actually keep him in the league well into his 30s. Just my two cents.

 

[BruinDust]

He’s had 8 years. Under three different coaches. No one within the franchise owes him anything.

I will say he's was given piles of opportunity here. Spent the entire 2020-21 shortened season up in Boston when he probably wasn't ready for it.

Pace was always an issue. It was telling how he'd find himself a healthy scratch come playoff time until last season. Pace ramped up, Frederic was less effective.

At the end of the day, he'll likely just end up a player most fans and media overrated because of his intangible qualities like sticking up for teammates, reasonably decent hit totals. The Canadian media slobbered all over this trade yesterday, I was listening to it thinking they don't really know what they are getting and are simply going by his reputation.

 

[DiggityDog]

If Frederic had been continuing the trajectory he had last year with his play, they easily get a 1st+

The problem is he has been fairly terrible this year, he’s also currently injured.

So a potentially high second, a fourth, and some RD depth is a really good haul IMO.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I'm not saying to deliberately tank. Every team goes through this clear decline in time. Drag it out and the rebuild takes longer. It's over. Sell and stink and restack. We're not even a Wild Card team and have one of the worst prospect pools in the league.

The boat is sinking and it's clear. I don't want to re-live the Sinden years where the team was only good enough to make the first round and then get torpedoed. Excluding the EN goal, they just gave up five goals to one of the worst offensive teams in the league. They don't have a coach. It's over brother.

I understand your point.

But I'm still not prepared to watch the Bruins stink for a few years if it can be helped.

 

[Fingertools]

Lets reverse this for a moment. Lets assume the Bruins are adding for a playoff run.

Would you be happy if Boston traded a 2nd + 4th for a 3rd line winger whose a pending UFA and has 8G/7A on the season?

You mean like Brett Connolly, who had 15 points when the Bruins paid 2 2nds for him?

 

[Fingertools]

I can't say I'm too happy with this trade but it really depends on how far apart they were in negotiations (if the Bruins wanted him at all). If he ends up signing a friendly deal somewhere that the Bruins didn't offer I'd be even more upset. I'm not the biggest Frederic fan but even with his inconsistencies, at his age and with the right surrounding cast he is still, to me, a serviceable bottom six forward, and a pretty versatile one at that since he can play all three positions.

So again, this all depends on what he will be signing for in the future - getting a 2nd from St Louis in a weak draft that in all likelihood given the percentage of players picked in that spot won't amount to much, and even if they do will be years out, and a 2026 4th even farther out with less likelihood, the Bruins didn't get much.

I don't hold up much hope for Wanner - a 9th rated prospect on a very weak Oilers defense pool, one in which has added Alec Regula who the Bruins didn't bother keeping.

 

[veganbruin]

Will root for Freddy. Time to move Coyle, Geekie and Peak!

 

[Beyonder]

Thats insane. They wouldnt. Theyd trade a 2nd and a 3rd

Also just wondering, could boston have gotten a better return if they had eaten 50% of frederics contract instead of using new jersey or whoever the 3rd team is? Why couldnt they have done that?

Isn't there a limit on how many times they can do that? Probably they are keeping their options open to do that with other players they might trade that carry a bigger AAV.