brentashton
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How many times does that need to happen for this management and coaches to get the message? Serious.
Are they really that addicted to him?
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Are they really that addicted to him?
Oh I'm with you.
If management is truly taking a "nothing to see here" approach to the goaltending (and I'm still cautiously optimistic its a communication tactic, not the real strategy), then they will lean on even the most average of average starts from Skinner to justify doing nothing.
If he dissolves completely? Maybe it ends up different. Who knows. Skinner making it so obvious that we need a goalie to the point that Ray Charles can see it from his grave is the only thing that might tip the scales if they are still in a position to be tipped.
Drivesaitl
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I miss the intermission by habit. The least I see of the talking heads the better, generally. Looks like I missed something though. Whats Gage doing there? Is this a new gig?
Maybe they should have got Debrusk in there more with his Skinner great saves mantra. Puck shot wide, misses net "what a great save by Skinner" He's like a doll you pull the cord and it says 6 different things. Same IQ.
Crazed Michaels and inane Debrusk. I literally said shut up to the TV last night. It didn't shut up.
The segment from Gage was among the dumbest I've ever seen from a hockey analyst.
What do the Oilers need to do with goaltending?
His wisdom:
"They have to run with Skinner for a bit and let him know he's the guy" as if this hasn't been the case for two years
"Dwayne Roloson came in, had a few bad starts, then ran with it from there" as if the situation is at all comparable or relevant
There was more stupidity, but that's the crux of it. As always, just superlatives.
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I was at the game so I missed this last night. Which is a good thing. Might have broken my tv hearing such inanity.
WTF is with the media in this town coddling Moustache? I get why Gregor does it, if you sign something for his auctions you're untouchable. But to the rest of the media in town, give your balls a tug, grow up and have 10% of the energy that you used to complain non-stop about Koskinen (arguably a better goalie) to see Moustache for what he is. A f***ing horrible goalie that they are tying Connor and Leon's legacy to. f*** me, this is insane.
Even dumber given how eerily similar of a situation the 2006 Oilers were in with their middling tandem pre-Roli. And that it took a new goalie and some trade deadline acquisitions to take them from being on pace to miss the playoffs to an absolute unit in the postseason.
Like the blueprint for what to do has already been spelled out in the past and these morons are too f***ing illiterate to understand it...or too afraid of angering Oiler management.
Also a fun fact … that 2006 team had lost 6 of 8 up to trade deadline day. That team was cratering.
Technically 5 of 7 ( I think you are counting the game that was on deadline day which is technically after the deadline). That team also lost 6 of 8 post-deadline.
4 wins in 15 games, only 2 of which is regulation.
This current team has 1 regulation win in it's last 11 games.
Was listening to GYB this morning. As they were going over the GA's, they all agreed that the second one was garbage, but then Rishaug goes "weeeellllll Emberson kiiinda backed in a bit to deep, and I don't know....." There's aways some BS attempt at an explanation.
It was a shitty f***ing goal, you fool. Just call it what it was.
But Dallas! And Game 7! And um...he's a really nice guy! Good local kid!
As much as I want to pin most of the blame on the lying, cowardly local sports media, these narratives were enough to fool far too much of this fanbase.
Anyone trying to recruit for their cult, make money with a pyramid scheme, or share their multi-level-marketing "opportunity" should DM anyone still defending Skinner.
If I remember right Roloson was mediocre at best all the way to the playoffs too. It wasn't what Gage said where he had a few wobbly ones then steadied the ship, he largely sucked down the stretch.
Puck dropped for Game 1 and it was a different story, but the team was on uneven ground being generous all the way to the end.
KeithIsActuallyBad
Fire Dustin Schwartz
Imagine if these guys gave as much rope to younger developing players that aren't crazy physical that they give goalies.
It's okay to say the goalies let in bad goals. Literally every goal is the result of a mistake made by a skater at some point prior to the goal, the difference between good goalies, average goalies and bad goalies is how many of those mistakes actually become goals.
My post was speaking to the poor offensive seasons by most of the top 6 forwards, not making an attempt to add up how many goals I thought the team would score this year. Whether or not you thought Arvidsson or Skinner would be good vs bad on the Oilers, there was always the potential for one or both of them to have a good season playing beside better players than they've ever played with before.
Arvidsson had 26 goals in 2022-23 and has a history of scoring 20-30 goals on teams that make the playoffs. Maybe we got him after his "expiry date" now that he's 31 and has had some injury troubles, but it wasn't a terrible bet.
Skinner is usually good for 20-25 even in a bad year, and hasn't been reliant on the PP for offensive output. There were understandably question marks about his ability to bring the style of game needed on a playoff team, but he's been far worse than most would have predicted.
The rest of the guys on the list were here last year and just look far less effective. Maybe the ultimate lesson here is that the team should've kept the guys that were 23-28 years old instead of signing more 30-34 year olds.
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Proviso that it was a given that neither Skinner or Arvid were going to fit in here well with D first coaching. These are high event playes associated with a lot of GA and a lot of undisciplined puck management. The view that Skinnner wasnt going to do well here WAS predicted, by myself and others and those posts were there. I don't buy it was that great a bet. It was likely to be another Neale or Turris. I did say I though Skinner could bag 20 goals. Anyway.
Arvid, nah, at 4MX2. TERRIBLE bet. No way was he going to be any impact player here after two back surgeries. Oilers didn't do the digging. Seems like the Oilers were fooled by last years short sample (and several posters were too) that Arvid was fine coming off back surgery. he wasn't. Even in the minuscule 16 GP last season he couldn't finish two of those games getting hurt, Got hurt in another of those games and I think he came out in one of the playoff games. Arvidsson was a complete waste of time. A Smarter club just got Granlund at TDL. That player was playing well for years, still putting up, and is healthy.
The rest of the guys on the list didn't produce squat last season and are doing the same this season. Pretty predictably. Never had any time for Brown, Ryan was done, Janmark done etc.
In anycase the Oilers brought back several old players when there was no reason to, lost several good players in offseason, and the 3 bets they took for forwards ALL failed. If you're a fan of this club for a longtime you're not at all surprised.
Holloway was a can't miss and the team just let him go. Dunces.
If you read my list, I didn’t talk about Brown, Ryan or Janmark. I mentioned Henrique, RNH, Hyman, Bouchard.
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The possibility that someone other than Leon can provide some form of pulse up front.
Calling it now
Frederic with a Hatty
For which team? Because he won’t play a single game in this town if we don’t get a goalie. Unprecedented historical collapse incoming.
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