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Proposal: Fowler and Stoner to New Jersey

Zippy316

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dracom said:
There it is :shakehead

Might as well lock this thread up now because it'll all go down hill from here.
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It'll only happen if a fish gets hooked onto the bait. So far, the discussion has been surprisingly civil and productive for this subforum.

Within reason, I would take Fowler on the Devils and put him next to Lovejoy. See if they can reinvigorate their performance from a few years ago.
 
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Zippy316 said:
To add to the whole mess of this situation, Anaheim is an excess of prospects that they need to make room for AND they are in no position to take even minimal salary back in return.

The best the Devils would probably be willing to offer for a package of Fowler + Stoner is Boucher + Helgeson. Even for that, Fowler adds to our glut of LD -- even though he's better than all of them sans Greene -- and Stoner would almost certainly be sent right to the AHL. That package is also selling Fowler for basically pennies on the dollar as well, which I doubt Anaheim is willing to do.

And to be completely honest, I don't even think the Devils would be willing to do that deal given how much salary they are taking on, especially since Stoner is practically dead weight.
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I'd probably take that deal if the Devils would, even if it is pennies on the dollar. But that's what this Stoner deal has come to. Bob Murray has made his bed, and now he has to sleep in it. If we have to take pennies on the dollar to make space for Lindholm, then so be it. We don't have much of an option at this point.
 
Zippy316

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Elf said:
I'd probably take that deal if the Devils would, even if it is pennies on the dollar. But that's what this Stoner deal has come to. Bob Murray has made his bed, and now he has to sleep in it. If we have to take pennies on the dollar to make space for Lindholm, then so be it. We don't have much of an option at this point.
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It's easy for me to say yes to that, but then again I'm not the one writing the checks out to Stoner to be dead weight for the next two to three years. :laugh:

If ownership is willing to pay and Shero/Hynes think very highly of Fowler, I think the Devils would do that. They're giving up very little in that trade, but I think it gives Anaheim the flexibility they desperately need. Boucher is making 715k (2-way) and Helgeson 575k (one-way) and while both require waivers, Anaheim could free up 7.25 million if they really wanted to by trading Stoner and Fowler.

I'm just not sure that freeing up that much space is enough value to trade Fowler away.
 
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eternalbedhead

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Zippy316 said:
It's easy for me to say yes to that, but then again I'm not the one writing the checks out to Stoner to be dead weight for the next two to three years. :laugh:

If ownership is willing to pay and Shero/Hynes think very highly of Fowler, I think the Devils would do that. They're giving up very little in that trade, but I think it gives Anaheim the flexibility they desperately need. Boucher is making 715k (2-way) and Helgeson 575k (one-way) and while both require waivers, Anaheim could free up 7.25 million if they really wanted to by trading Stoner and Fowler.

I'm just not sure that freeing up that much space is enough value to trade Fowler away.
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Once again, Murray is not in great position to get bang for his buck when it comes to Fowler. We've now got over 10 million locked up for at least 2 years in dead weight in Stoner, Bieksa, and Despres. (although Despres wasn't really BM's fault)

That money alone could probably sign Lindholm, even if we subtract Rakell's deal from the equation.

He could move Fowler and Stoner in a package deal, and get pennies on the dollar, or move Fowler alone, get a substantially better return, but lose an opportunity to rid himself of a stupid contract.
 
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Elf said:
Once again, Murray is not in great position to get bang for his buck when it comes to Fowler. We've now got over 10 million locked up for at least 2 years in dead weight in Stoner, Bieksa, and Despres. (although Despres wasn't really BM's fault)

That money alone could probably sign Lindholm, even if we subtract Rakell's deal from the equation.

He could move Fowler and Stoner in a package deal, and get pennies on the dollar, or move Fowler alone, get a substantially better return, but lose an opportunity to rid himself of a stupid contract.
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Stoners contract isn't " stupid" like bieksa, the guy is solid, brings grit, clears pucks well and isn't much of a liability out there defensively ( yes he's over paid 20-35% but in the grand scheme of things, that's not " stupid, bieksa is stupid.
 
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robbieboy3686 said:
Stoners contract isn't " stupid" like bieksa, the guy is solid, brings grit, clears pucks well and isn't much of a liability out there defensively ( yes he's over paid 20-35% but in the grand scheme of things, that's not " stupid, bieksa is stupid.
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Stoner's not a bad player, but that's not what I'm saying. You just don't pay 3.5 million long-term to a career #6-7, especially when you know you have RFA hell coming up in 2 years.
 
Zippy316

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robbieboy3686 said:
Stoners contract isn't " stupid" like bieksa, the guy is solid, brings grit, clears pucks well and isn't much of a liability out there defensively ( yes he's over paid 20-35% but in the grand scheme of things, that's not " stupid, bieksa is stupid.
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Stoner is a liability in Anaheim given their cap situation.
 
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Elf said:
Stoner's not a bad player, but that's not what I'm saying. You just don't pay 3.5 million long-term to a career #6-7, especially when you know you have RFA hell coming up in 2 years.
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Agreed I still don't know what the hell BM was thinking.
 
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dracom said:
maybe? for some reason I thought he was a RHD.

Make it overpaying for a defensmen in free agency then. Either way, GMs overpay for players in FA all the time, and it almost always comes back to bite them.
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Yea GMs do but for BM to do so with a bottom pair defenseman I still can't understand it at all.
 
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