Former Canucks Thread 2023-24 Off-Season Edition

[Nuckles]

Former Vancouver Canucks prospect, Melvin Fernström has won the SHL's Rookie of the Year Award.

He posted 17 points (8G, 9A) in 48 games, with 11 of those coming in his final 19 games.

The last rookie to win the award was Jonathan Lekkerimäki in 2023-24.
- Dave Hall

 

[God]

Good for him. Looks like a lot of that production started right around the time of the MP3 trade. In retrospect, would've been nicer to let go of KK, but EP2's development curve wasn't apparent yet.

 

[Jerry the great]

Good for him. Looks like a lot of that production started right around the time of the MP3 trade. In retrospect, would've been nicer to let go of KK, but EP2's development curve wasn't apparent yet.

Why? Kudryavtsev is way more likely to contribute at the NHL level than Fernstrom is, and having him available for waiver exempt callup duty is useful too.

 

[lawrence]

Marc Crawford - Wikipedia

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Marc Crawford aka "Crow" resigned from his coaching position on at the end of 2024 mid season due to mental health concerns. I wish him the best and I hope he gets through this.

 

[VanJack]

Jonah Gadjovich scoring a goal against the Leafs in the playoff clincher.

Now there's a 'blast from the past'. He joins another former Canuck in Gustav Forsling. Apparently not good enough for the Canucks--but headed to the conference finals with the Panthers.

Wouldn't bet against them to make their second consecutive Cup Final.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Kole Lind hatty alert.

 

[God]

Why? Kudryavtsev is way more likely to contribute at the NHL level than Fernstrom is, and having him available for waiver exempt callup duty is useful too.

... because we have EP2, KK, and Mynio on the left side so it's a position of strength? Our only winger prospect that might make it is Lekk.

 

[F A N]

... because we have EP2, KK, and Mynio on the left side so it's a position of strength? Our only winger prospect that might make it is Lekk.

We don't really know if it's a position of strength yet. I would not trade KK. If he even shows a hint of promise that he could potentially develop into a top 4 Dman in the NHL he would be an asset. Plus if D-Petey graduates to the big club, there's room for KK and Mynio. Aside from KK and Mynio, only Willander and Mancari are currently signed for next season. So lots of decisions to be made as far as how to round out the Abbotsford Canucks' D.

I'm not a big fan of trading prospects unless it's determined that the prospect is unlikely to develop into an NHL player. Like this is where management and our scouts have to make the right call. Like Myrenberg doesn't look like he'll amount to much so that's fine. Dorrington might have some potential there so I'm not sure why it's necessary to trade him when we're selling JT Miller. Similarly, why do we have to trade Fernstrom instead of say Ottawa's 4th round pick (Podkolzin trade) if we needed to add more than NY's 1st (which has significant value)?

 

[Jerry the great]

... because we have EP2, KK, and Mynio on the left side so it's a position of strength? Our only winger prospect that might make it is Lekk.

Sure, but there is a big difference in the quality of those two prospects, and wingers are generally much easier to sign, trade for, or claim.

 

[StreetHawk]

We don't really know if it's a position of strength yet. I would not trade KK. If he even shows a hint of promise that he could potentially develop into a top 4 Dman in the NHL he would be an asset. Plus if D-Petey graduates to the big club, there's room for KK and Mynio. Aside from KK and Mynio, only Willander and Mancari are currently signed for next season. So lots of decisions to be made as far as how to round out the Abbotsford Canucks' D.

I'm not a big fan of trading prospects unless it's determined that the prospect is unlikely to develop into an NHL player. Like this is where management and our scouts have to make the right call. Like Myrenberg doesn't look like he'll amount to much so that's fine. Dorrington might have some potential there so I'm not sure why it's necessary to trade him when we're selling JT Miller. Similarly, why do we have to trade Fernstrom instead of say Ottawa's 4th round pick (Podkolzin trade) if we needed to add more than NY's 1st (which has significant value)?

Dorrington I’m ok moving if that was a piece needed to obtain a RHD in Mancini.
As for Fernstrom, was disappointed to see him go in that Pitt deal. Dubas, in the Guentzal deal was looking for prospects.

 

[Tables of Stats]

... because we have EP2, KK, and Mynio on the left side so it's a position of strength? Our only winger prospect that might make it is Lekk.

If you can trade a winger and keep a bunch of more valuable defence prospects, you count that as a win. With how the young D-men are developing, you can flip them for wingers as and when you need to.

 

[God]

If you can trade a winger and keep a bunch of more valuable defence prospects, you count that as a win. With how the young D-men are developing, you can flip them for wingers as and when you need to.

As a general rule, sure. But they were making a trade for a defenseman playing on the left side, with three LHD prospects and few scoring wingers. Again, I would've done the same thing at the time given that all three LHD prospects were showing better than Fernstrom, so it's just a comment about in hindsight.

 

[Tables of Stats]

As a general rule, sure. But they were making a trade for a defenseman playing on the left side, with three LHD prospects and few scoring wingers. Again, I would've done the same thing at the time given that all three LHD prospects were showing better than Fernstrom, so it's just a comment about in hindsight.

If anything, keeping our D and moving Fernstrom has aged well as EP2 and KK have likely gained value since the TDL. Mynio is the only one that might have been worth trading, as he's still a mystery box at the professional level.

 

[F A N]

Dorrington I’m ok moving if that was a piece needed to obtain a RHD in Mancini.
As for Fernstrom, was disappointed to see him go in that Pitt deal. Dubas, in the Guentzal deal was looking for prospects.

If management has decided Dorrington isn’t going to amount to much then ya he’s just a throw in. If not, then why are we giving him up? We are the one selling the Rangers a player they have wanted for years. In the Penguins deal we were the desperate buyers so as much as I dislike it I can see the reasons behind overpaying to acquire two players management wanted.

 

[joelCAMEL]

If management has decided Dorrington isn’t going to amount to much then ya he’s just a throw in. If not, then why are we giving him up? We are the one selling the Rangers a player they have wanted for years. In the Penguins deal we were the desperate buyers so as much as I dislike it I can see the reasons behind overpaying to acquire two players management wanted.

What if the other teams said that they wanted Dorrington and Fermstrom? I do not consider either trade as overpayment by Vancouver. Vancouver dumped contracts in both trades.

On January 31, 2025, Miller was traded back to the New York Rangers, along with Erik Brännström and Jackson Dorrington, in exchange for Filip Chytil, Victor Mancini, and a 2025 first-round pick.

On 31 January 2025, Pettersson was traded to the Vancouver Canucks along with forward Drew O'Connor, in exchange for forward Danton Heinen, defenceman Vincent Desharnais, right wing prospect Melvin Fernström and a conditional 2025 first-round pick.

 

[F A N]

What if the other teams said that they wanted Dorrington and Fermstrom? I do not consider either trade as overpayment by Vancouver. Vancouver dumped contracts in both trades.

On January 31, 2025, Miller was traded back to the New York Rangers, along with Erik Brännström and Jackson Dorrington, in exchange for Filip Chytil, Victor Mancini, and a 2025 first-round pick.

On 31 January 2025, Pettersson was traded to the Vancouver Canucks along with forward Drew O'Connor, in exchange for forward Danton Heinen, defenceman Vincent Desharnais, right wing prospect Melvin Fernström and a conditional 2025 first-round pick.

I can agree with the M-Petey trade but are you seriously characterizing the Miller trade as Vancouver having dumped a contract?

 

[Tables of Stats]

I can agree with the M-Petey trade but are you seriously characterizing the Miller trade as Vancouver having dumped a contract?

No, he said we dumped contracts. We made sure to trade away a greater number of contracts while getting the secondary assets that we wanted back. This frees up space for any college UFAs that may come our way.

In the NYR trade, we could have done Miller for Chytil and a 1st. Moving Brannstrom and Dorrington for Mancini was a value add that also gave contract flexibility.

The PIT trade is less clear. I see it as the 1st, VD, and Fernstrom for M-Pettey and a Heinen for DOC swap, but YMMV.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Kole Lind hatty alert.

not sure why he hasnt been given a shot at the NHL level. Hes kind of like a Kieffer Sherwood.

 

[EpochLink]

not sure why he hasnt been given a shot at the NHL level. Hes kind of like a Kieffer Sherwood.

His game don’t translate to the NHL level.

 

[Tables of Stats]

not sure why he hasnt been given a shot at the NHL level. Hes kind of like a Kieffer Sherwood.

He's got lead feet and can't keep up. I'll need to watch him to confirm, but IIRC he makes Raty look like a fluid skater.

 

[LemonSauceD]

His game don’t translate to the NHL level.

size, physicality, agitation, has been a top producer at the AHL level for consecutive seasons.

 

[F A N]

No, he said we dumped contracts. We made sure to trade away a greater number of contracts while getting the secondary assets that we wanted back. This frees up space for any college UFAs that may come our way.

In the NYR trade, we could have done Miller for Chytil and a 1st. Moving Brannstrom and Dorrington for Mancini was a value add that also gave contract flexibility.

There's no issue moving Brannstrom. He's not worth anything and his contract could be buried. Certainly there's no need to trade an asset to move Brannstrom in a trade where we're shipping out JT Miller.

If you're suggesting that moving Dorrington "frees up space for any college UFA that may come our way" it goes back to my question of whether Dorrington is a throwaway prospect. First off, Dorrington didn't have a contract and there was no immediate need to sign him. Second of all, if he isn't a throwaway prospect then it stands to reason that he's as good as if not better than the college UFAs that we realistically had a chance to sign.

 

[MS]

not sure why he hasnt been given a shot at the NHL level. Hes kind of like a Kieffer Sherwood.

Sherwood is fast, physical, strongly built, and can absolutely rip the puck.

Lind is slow, plays an agitator-y game but is thin and weak, and has a muffin of a shot.

 

[F A N]

not sure why he hasnt been given a shot at the NHL level. Hes kind of like a Kieffer Sherwood.

Has his skating improved at all? Sherwood is a good skater at the NHL level and throws a lot of hits.

 

[Tables of Stats]

There's no issue moving Brannstrom. He's not worth anything and his contract could be buried. Certainly there's no need to trade an asset to move Brannstrom in a trade where we're shipping out JT Miller.

If you're suggesting that moving Dorrington "frees up space for any college UFA that may come our way" it goes back to my question of whether Dorrington is a throwaway prospect. First off, Dorrington didn't have a contract and there was no immediate need to sign him. Second of all, if he isn't a throwaway prospect then it stands to reason that he's as good as if not better than the college UFAs that we realistically had a chance to sign.

Dorrington gets a solid shrug from me. I never saw anything amazing in him, and everything about him screams he's a generic depth defenseman who'll have a Jett Woo-like AHL career and serve as a 7th D-man at best. I legitimately think Hirose is above him on the depth chart, and McWard is at his level.