LiquidSnake
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I would not go by a sales clerk's knowledge of NHL intellectual property rights.
Whoa whoa whoa.... Manager!!! Not sales clerk that makes it sound like I was at Honest Nats!
I would not go by a sales clerk's knowledge of NHL intellectual property rights.
Urban legend and one that Pattison denied when asked about it a number of years back at a Vancouver Board of Trade speech that I attended.
Urban legend and one that Pattison denied when asked about it a number of years back at a Vancouver Board of Trade speech that I attended.
I don't really find it sad, to be honest. He seems like a nice guy, but a rich guy making bad business deals and going bankrupt doesn't really tick my emotional radar.
Jim Pattison made it a point to fire an employee a month at his car dealership just to keep his remaining employees on their toes.
Things are not going well for Arthur... he owes more than $2 million and bankruptcy is a possibility.
I have known Arthur for many years and he is a truly nice guy - sometimes too nice and not ruthless enough.
Arthur Robert Griffiths, the former owner of the Vancouver Canucks, has filed for creditor protection in an attempt to reach a settlement with creditors and get out of debt without declaring bankruptcy.http://www.theprovince.com/news/Art...couver+Canucks+tries+avoid/9812791/story.html
According to documents filed Monday with the Office of the Superintendent of Bankruptcy Canada, Griffiths, the former local sports mogul and scion of a famed B.C. business family, has liabilities of $2,092,577 and total assets of $36,970.
On Tuesday, Griffiths told The Province that his current situation was largely the result of bad business deals.
“It’s mostly associated with a company I was involved with,†Griffiths said. “The directors of that company left me holding the bag, and they left the country.â€
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Province sports columnist Tony Gallagher, who covered his first Canucks game for the paper in 1972, said Tuesday the Griffiths family’s sporting legacy in Vancouver is “phenomenal.â€
“It’s just so profoundly sad,†Gallagher said. “He just didn’t seem to have the same financial acumen as his dad.â€
Gallagher said Griffiths experienced financial troubles ever since the massive cost overruns associated with the construction of GM Place.
“To his credit, he never pandered for any public money (in the construction of the arena), he put it all up by himself,†Gallagher said. “It was a phenomenal endeavour that he did that. Very beneficial to the Vancouver taxpayer.â€
As I said Pattison categorically denied that he did this when running his car dealerships.The "monthly firing" anecdote was in a biography about Pattison written by Russell Kelly published in 1986. According to a friend who claims to have this directly from Pattison, Jimmy didn't view it as "firing someone" but instead as "letting them find a more suitable opportunity".
Whether Pattison is honest or not-can you or someone tell me if Pattison ever came close to buying Canucks.A rumour many yrs ago said Pattison were interested in buying habs but later someone said it was not fact.According to Business mag-His networth is 7.4 billion dollars
He has been involved in various digital media initiatives and he had his own sports radio show on MOJO AM 730. He has also had a lobbying company - Arthur Griffiths and Associates.What kind of business has he been in since he sold the team ?
He has been involved in various digital media initiatives and he had his own sports radio show on MOJO AM 730. He has also had a lobbying company - Arthur Griffiths and Associates.
He was President and CEO of Private Real Estate Company developing an office complex in Victoria and redevelopment of heritage buildings in Vancouver.
He also chaired the Vancouver/Whistler 2010 Bid Society which helped to bring the 2010 Winter Olympics to Vancouver and ran for the BC Liberals in the 2008 provincial by-election in the Vancouver-Burrard riding losing to Spencer Chandra Herbert.
Here is his bio:
http://agaa.ca/arthur-griffiths/
He has been involved in various digital media initiatives and he had his own sports radio show on MOJO AM 730. He has also had a lobbying company - Arthur Griffiths and Associates.
He was President and CEO of Private Real Estate Company developing an office complex in Victoria and redevelopment of heritage buildings in Vancouver.
He also chaired the Vancouver/Whistler 2010 Bid Society which helped to bring the 2010 Winter Olympics to Vancouver and ran for the BC Liberals in the 2008 provincial by-election in the Vancouver-Burrard riding losing to Spencer Chandra Herbert.
Here is his bio:
http://agaa.ca/arthur-griffiths/
Multitasking for mediocrity?Viewed in the current context, perhaps he would have been a lot better off sticking to one thing and excelling at that.
It says he has 36k in assets but I am sure he has assets in other names and maybe even whole other companies under LLCs, offshore bank accounts ect
This.
Most wealthy people own a variety of corporate entities which would be excluded in a personal bankruptcy/creditor protection.
The most likely scenario is that his "bad business deal" was personally guaranteeing some sort of business loan that went into default. His statement "left holding the bag" implies that.
The purpose of creditor protection is to allow him to settle the debt for pennies on the dollar and not have to liquidate other assets.
I have business associates who are well connected to Arthur, and from the sounds of it, he is doing just fine - this situation notwithstanding. If he was in serious trouble, likely all his assets - including all corporations he owned would be included in this action.
Seeing legacy wealth deteriorate to nothing is pretty sad IMO. His kids and grand kids will be working stiffs like the rest of us because of it.
oh those poor kids
Enjoying the misfortune of others is an attitude I have trouble understanding.
It is a "misfortune" to have to be a working stiff!
oh those poor kids
Second wife - Arthur went through a divorce and his first wife would have received her share of his assets back then.I'm not judging...but for someone who was most likely worth millions at one time, seems kinda strange to have his wife working as a customer service agent at WestJet (according to her Linkedin account)
But whatev...maybe she just likes to be out there working.
Actually one generation as within two years of Frank Sr's death his business empire was crumbling.Maybe if it happened to your family, you would realize that it is sad when wealth that was built up through generations of hard work, risk and frugality , is swept away.
Actually one generation as within two years of Frank Sr's death his business empire was crumbling.
When Frank Griffiths died his business empire was split between his widowed wife Emily and their four children - Arthur, Frank Jr. Mary and Emily.
Arthur got the Canucks with Emily getting a 10% share. It was her decision to sell that share that triggered the McCaw takeover and forced Arthur out when he was unable to come up with the cash to exercise his buy option.
Frank Jr and sister Mary got the broadcast properties (WIC Western International Communications Ltd.) and managed to quickly run them into the ground to the point that Frank Sr.'s widow, Emily was forced to push her son out the door.
At the same time as the Griffiths' began to feel the pinch on the sports side of their empire, the situation also began to tense up in the broadcasting arm. Their broadcast conglomerate, Western International Communications, bought out another family empire, Allarco of Edmonton in 1991. Allarco's founder, Dr. Charles Allard, died less than six months later, and his offspring began the fight to wrest control of their business back from the Griffiths. Arthur's brother Frank Jr. was appointed Co-Chair of WIC when Frank Sr. became ill, and endless court battles and takeover attempts have marred the two families' business efforts over the past five years. While the Griffiths' have rebuffed all threats thus far, the senior Emily Griffiths was forced to fire her son this summer after WIC President Doug Holtby resigned, admitting that Holtby could not be replaced as long as her obstinate son was in a position of such power.http://www.lcshockey.com/issues/57/feature10.asp
In 1998 Frank Sr's widow Emily, sold off her controlling interest in WIC. Ultimately after various court battles and shareholder unrest the Shaw family now controls almost all of the assets of the former WIC, through either Shaw or Corus as WIC is no more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_International_Communications
It has been claimed that Arthur's sister Emily is the best businessperson of the four siblings.