For Those Who Think McDavid Is Better Than Lemieux....

[I am not exposed]

I thought everyone pretty much said he's the best player since Lemieux.

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[Nfumass]

Math?
Go wear soaking wet pads and skate around on dull blades on crap ice while carrying a 2x4 and then get back to me. It’s not nostalgia; it’s fact. 66 and 4 were the greatest ever.

You are clearly talking to a 8-10 year old.

 

[enthusiast]

For sure, man

 

[Nfumass]

If McDavid can't handle Barkov, someone like Clarke would have eaten him alive.

Could you imagine, the league today is the softest it’s ever been and basically a non contact league and he is getting shutdown by Barkov.

 

[Fiji Water]

Lol at those saying Lemieux was slow. Prime Lemieux could skate like the wind

 

[jitterbug]

You think expanding/diluting the league's talent pool would make Orr less dominant? Even if you factor in the American/European influx into the NHL, this is a guy who beat Bobby Hull, Phil Esposito, Guy Lafleur, Bobby Clarke, and Marcel Dionne in the scoring race... as a defenseman (who was probably the best defensive player in the league).

Exactly! The league wasn’t watered down like now. Every player back then was a legit NHLer. Not like now with so many guys who would be in the ECHL if there were only 12 clubs.,

lol the league was small because there weren't many players.. and the ones that were around shot on catchers.. if Orr was truly a top 3 player of all time he wouldn't be outscored on his own team

 

[Fiji Water]

Jaromir Jagr in his mid 40s was a top six level forward in the NHL just a few years ago. Lemieux was on another planet compared to prime Jagr. Lemieux would have dominated this era or any era

 

[SuperScript29]

Most people don't believe he's better than Lemieux, but it's hard to make judsgment

Jaromir Jagr in his mid 40s was a top six level forward in the NHL just a few years ago. Lemieux was on another planet compared to prime Jagr. Lemieux would have dominated this era or any era

Lemieux came back from cancer and scored at a crazy pace in the early 2000s which was a dead puck era. He would have likely won the scoring titles from 2001-2003 had he not gotten injured. He would destroy the league today.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

Seems unfair to compare McDavid to one of the two by far best players of all time.

Who else would you compare him to?

5x art ross
3x hart
Conn smythe

Age : 28.

Seems like his play has put him in the conversation

 

[ItWasJustified]

Who else would you compare him to?

Marcel Dionne

Seems like his play has put him in the conversation

Haha no.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

Marcel Dionne

Haha no.

Dionne had 3mvps, 5 scoring titles and a conn smylthe at age 28?

I must've skimmed that part

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

McDavid would look way slower in Mario’s era.

McDavid’s marshmallow soft pansy ass wouldn’t survive in Mario’s era. Be it the 80’s or the 90’s

Guys like Scott Stevens, Lindros, Konstantinov, etc. would’ve taken his head off.

 

[Bozo Nicholson]

Pretty sure no one thinks McDavid is better than Lemieux.

 

[Zerotonine]

It's fking conical how fast you people come up with these to shot on McDavid . Probably all leafs fans starting these shit posts

 

[Hanji]

Yup. McDavid is in the top tier of the greatest ever. But not being able to lead his original club to a Cup puts him (imo) at the bottom of that greatest ever tier.,

The top tier of the greatest ever is comprised of Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe, maybe Hasek.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Dionne had 3mvps, 5 scoring titles and a conn smylthe at age 28?

I must've skimmed that part

He might've had if Gretzky wouldn't have existed.

 

[jitterbug]

The top tier of the greatest ever is comprised of Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Howe, maybe Hasek.

It’s Gretzky, Lemieux, McDavid

 

[Jumptheshark]

No serious oiler fan has said McDAvid was better than Mario. Mario had a physical side that came with his size

I see the oiler bashing threads are out in full force again from fans of teams that have been on the golf course for months

 

[Plastic Joseph]

He might've had if Gretzky wouldn't have existed.

Dionne at age 28 - Gretzky yet to make his NHL debut.

Nice try though

 

[edevils]

Hockey is a lost art in a lot of ways.

Gotta love the commentary too.
"And he beats him like a rented mule!"

 

[Plastic Joseph]

It’s Gretzky, Lemieux, McDavid

Bobby orr is definitely in that group. He has no equal for most if his accomplishments and dominated like nobody else at his position.

Anyone leaving Bobby orr out of that category is showing their recency bias. I would also have Howe in that category as his longevity as a true superstar is unrivaled. Obviously the game has evolved, but he was the best player for multiple generations, that can't be ignored.

I do think there will be a clear top 5 with Gretzky/Mario/Orr/Howe and McDavid eventually. Crosby is also right there knocking on the 5th spot but I don't think his hardware will match up against the others. In a perfect world Crosby doesn't miss so much time from 11-13 , and might have 3 or 4 hart and ross which would help a lot.

 

[sabremike]

This entire thread is Peak Sports Talk Radio Brain.

 

[Statto]

Because the other captains didn't drag their mediocre team back to the finals. The whole hockey world picked LA to beat this team in the first round.

Most of us Kings fans didn’t… I’m one of the more optimistic ones on our board and even at 2-0 I was far from confident.

 

[ruaware41]

Bobby orr is definitely in that group. He has no equal for most if his accomplishments and dominated like nobody else at his position.

Anyone leaving Bobby orr out of that category is showing their recency bias. I would also have Howe in that category as his longevity as a true superstar is unrivaled. Obviously the game has evolved, but he was the best player for multiple generations, that can't be ignored.

I do think there will be a clear top 5 with Gretzky/Mario/Orr/Howe and McDavid eventually. Crosby is also right there knocking on the 5th spot but I don't think his hardware will match up against the others. In a perfect world Crosby doesn't miss so much time from 11-13 , and might have 3 or 4 hart and ross which would help a lot.

That tier 1 with those 5 already exists imo and won't change by the end of McDavids career. Maybe Hasek can go in there too. But for forwards for me it's 1 Gretz 2 Mario 3 McDavid and it's going to remain like that for the rest of McDavids career

 

[crosbyshow]

Did I red that Lemieux was not a fast skater....jeez

He seems not fast because of his 6.4 frame but look at all his breakaeay...and you will see that he had an incredible speed.

Chris Spronger said he couldn't believe how fast Lemieux was.

Just look at the speed he reached between the 2 blue lines on his famous goal vs the North Stars in the final....