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patnyrnyg said:
One of the arguments many people made was that the soccer leagues will shut down for FIFA events and other international stuff and/or base their schedules around FIFA's calendar.

So much for that.
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Let's see:

NHL:
Would fit their schedule outside of WCh time: Nope
Would take a break for Olympics: Maybe
Would adapt to anything else international: Nope

Top european soccer leagues:
Would fit their schedule outside of WC time: Yes
Would fit their schedule outside of Euro championship time: Yes
Would take a break for Worlds qualifiers: Yes
Would take a break for Euro qualifiers: Yes
Would take a break for international friendlies: Yes
Would let their teams play in Champions League and other international tournaments: Yes
Would take a long break mid-season when FIFA moves the World Cup: Yeah, but only after letting a court check whether FIFA really has the right to make that move.
 
bordshockeypampen said:
Let's see:

NHL:
Would fit their schedule outside of WCh time: Nope
Would take a break for Olympics: Maybe
Would adapt to anything else international: Nope

Top european soccer leagues:
Would fit their schedule outside of WC time: Yes
Would fit their schedule outside of Euro championship time: Yes
Would take a break for Worlds qualifiers: Yes
Would take a break for Euro qualifiers: Yes
Would take a break for international friendlies: Yes
Would let their teams play in Champions League and other international tournaments: Yes
Would take a long break mid-season when FIFA moves the World Cup: Yeah, but only after letting a court check whether FIFA really has the right to make that move.
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Most people in North America don't understand that pro leagues need to accommodate international tournaments. Since Baseball, Basketball and American Football don't have much of an international presence, they don't take international tournaments seriously. That mentality works it way down to fans. If fans also don't take it seriously, there is no motivation for owners to stop play and send their players for these tournaments. In Europe fans and players take it seriously, so owners are forced to send their players.
 
patnyrnyg said:
When was it announced that the tourney would be in the winter? What took so long for the leagues to speak up. I heard about this months ago. But, that us exactly my point. Pro-olympic people used the soccer leagues willingness to shut down for world cup to support the idea the NHL should shut down. Said leagues cooperate with FIFA. Guess it is not the case. They "shut down" because it was done in their off-seasons.
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A recommendation from FIFA came late of february 2015 to reschedule the World Cup. And as I said the football leagues in Europe are already giving room for the qaulifiers (and friendlies as pointed out by others) 5-6 weeks a year spread across the season. As for the "shut-down". Leagues playing autumn/spring doesn't need to shut down of course, since, as you said, it's their off-season. Even though they schedule with respect for preperations and so forth. But for leauges playing spring/autumn (Norway, Sweden, Ireland [prior to 2012 also Russia]) a shut-down is needed since it is in the middle of their season.
 
Let's dispel a few of the myths that some posters are using to suggesting the footballs in Europe are magnanimous when it comes to letter players play in internationals.

Top european soccer leagues:
Would fit their schedule outside of WC time:
Would fit their schedule outside of Euro championship time:
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Euro and the World Cup finals are normally played in June with the last matches in early July. The European League schedules normally run from September to May. June and July is the off-season with training camps starting in August. The summer months are generally considered too hot to play soccer, so the leagues are not fitting their schedule outside of the WC & Euro time to accomadate the tournaments.

Top european soccer leagues:
Would take a break for Worlds qualifiers:
Would take a break for Euro qualifiers:
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The leagues do not take a break for the qualifiers. Rather, players are released to the national teams with the league schedules continuing as normal. Since nations play qualifiers maybe once a month, players are only absent for maybe 1 game a month.

Top european soccer leagues:
Would let their teams play in Champions League and other international tournaments:
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Teams that play in the Champions League and UEFA Cup receive direct revenues for participating.
 
Guardian452 said:
Let's dispel a few of the myths that some posters are using to suggesting the footballs in Europe are magnanimous when it comes to letter players play in internationals.
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Please, dispel away my friend...

Guardian452 said:
Euro and the World Cup finals are normally played in June with the last matches in early July. The European League schedules normally run from September to May. June and July is the off-season with training camps starting in August. The summer months are generally considered too hot to play soccer, so the leagues are not fitting their schedule outside of the WC & Euro time to accomadate the tournaments.
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This isn't true. Just amongst the larger European leagues...

The Russian league starts next weekend.
The English, French and Dutch leagues start the weekend of August 8
The German league the weekend of August 15
The Spanish and Italian leagues the weekend of August 22
Plenty of clubs are already playing in the early rounds of European competition qualifying.
Give or take a week these schedules are the norm.
Most clubs, if they haven't already, will be opening training camps shortly. In WC/EC years, if the club doesn't push back pre-season training, players who participated in the WC often join their club's training camp after it has already started. Leagues and cup competitions at times have also ended the season a week or two earlier than normal during WC/EC years.

Guardian452 said:
The leagues do not take a break for the qualifiers. Rather, players are released to the national teams with the league schedules continuing as normal. Since nations play qualifiers maybe once a month, players are only absent for maybe 1 game a month.
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This simply isn't true. The leagues rarely, if ever, schedule games during the 3 or 4 in season week long international breaks. For example an international break is scheduled for September 1-8 and non of the above mentioned leagues have games scheduled during this period.

Guardian452 said:
Teams that play in the Champions League and UEFA Cup receive direct revenues for participating.
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Correct... Ya got one! ;) Playing in European competition can be very lucrative.

I'm not saying the NHL should/needs be as accommodating to international play as soccer leagues but the argument that the NHL is currently no less accommodating is false.
 
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Guardian452 said:
The leagues do not take a break for the qualifiers. Rather, players are released to the national teams with the league schedules continuing as normal. Since nations play qualifiers maybe once a month, players are only absent for maybe 1 game a month.
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:laugh: What?
 
Euro and the World Cup finals are normally played in June with the last matches in early July. The European League schedules normally run from September to May. June and July is the off-season with training camps starting in August. The summer months are generally considered too hot to play soccer, so the leagues are not fitting their schedule outside of the WC & Euro time to accomadate the tournaments.
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Yes, they are. In years when there is a Euro or World Cup, some of the biggest leagues, like Primera Liga and Serie A end up a few weeks earlier than in other seasons. In 2014 Serie A ended on May 18th, this year it ended on May 31st. In 2012 it finished as early as May 13th.

Soccer teams release their players for international duty every year, at least 4 or 5 times for at least a week every time, in the case of the World Cup and similar continental event for a month or more. I'm sure many clubs hate doing it and quite a few soccer fans dislike the constant championship breaks for qualification matches for international tournaments but soccer seems to be thriving despite that.

The outrage about the Qatar World Cup has very little to do with messing up domestic leagues calendars and everything to do with what a profoundly stupid idea it is to have such an enormous event in a country that is so tiny and with such terrible climate. If the NHL decided to arrange an outdoor game in Phoenix in August do you think the teams would go along with it without protest? :)
 
Yeah uh... regarding European soccer leagues "not taking a break" for qualifiers... for the European nations at least it's very often the case that the qualifier is a midweek fixture and the league fixture is played on Saturday/Sunday. For the South American teams though, having many European-based players, will typically schedule their qualifying fixtures with a midweek and then weekend qualifier within 3-4 days of each other to minimize their players' need to travel across the Atlantic. The South American players miss 2-3 league fixtures per season because of this, but it's practically unheard of for a major European league to have league fixtures scheduled on the same date as a dedicated international window (FIFA declares international match dates well in advance so club competition schedulers can plan accordingly).
 
Icarium said:
If the NHL decided to arrange an outdoor game in Phoenix in August do you think the teams would go along with it without protest? :)
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Especially if said arena was build using modern day slaves as labor force and a rigged "election" to a place everybody said beforehand it was a terrible idea.

Regarding qualifiers in Europe, there are also two games in a row, and there's a short training camp before these games. It's organized in the same manner all over the world, for obvious reasons:
It wouldn't work any other way, the biggest teams couldn't even field 11 players if they had to play a game during these qualifiers. Or play without 2-3 superstars because South America has a different schedule than Europe.
 
its funny now the europeans are crying about it. Every single world cup ever was during the shouth american's seasons. FIFA just broke us in every imaginable way and that one is one of the softer ones...
 
Canuckistani said:
The NHL only need to shut down the league for a few weeks every four years. As the top league in the world they should be willing to do that for the sake of the international game, best-on-best competition, and fans all over the world.

Their reluctance to do so is one of the reason why I never watch a single second of NHL hockey anymore. Bunch of greedy ********.
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Uhm...if you think the NHL owners are more greedy than the IOC, you are in for a rude awakening one of these days....
 
Jussi said:
Not sure you understand that this board isn't meant for conspiracy theories or if you understand how the IOC revenue sharing works.
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To be fair, that IOC chart doesn't tell the whole story either. God only knows what happens to all that $$$ when it disappears into the hands of those NOCs, IFs and OCOGs. 'You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours'.;)

Saying that, it would be cool if we had a chart depicting NHL's revenue distribution.
 
Zine said:
To be fair, that IOC chart doesn't tell the whole story either. God only knows what happens to all that $$$ when it disappears into the hands of those NOCs, IFs and OCOGs. 'You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours'.;)

Saying that, it would be cool if we had a chart depicting NHL's revenue distribution.
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That depends on those NOCs. In Finland for example, there's naturally heavy scrutiny for major (sports) institutions so if there's inconsistencies, it would be brought up in public swiftly.
 
The NHL doesn't refuse anything. The only international venue that affects it is the Olympics, which they accommodate for. There's nothing else necessary. It's not like European football where every year they play for everything but the damn Quiddich Cup. The international tournaments for hockey don't need to happen in the midst of an 82 game season. The players already are already playing almost every other day.

I don't marvel when LFC goes 18 days between games because they're busy competing for every known trophy in existence.

If the NHL, KHL, Elitserien and Liga all decided to hold international tournaments year around then that's a different story. Youd have to cut the regular season by at least 30 games.
 
patnyrnyg said:
and their unwillingness to change their schedule to suit the World Championships or their possible unwillingness to shut down for the Olympics:

http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/spa...cup&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

One of the arguments many people made was that the soccer leagues will shut down for FIFA events and other international stuff and/or base their schedules around FIFA's calendar.

So much for that.
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Totally missing the mark here. The issue in the article is exactly about a World Cup supposed to being held not at the usual time of the year, when all the leagues do shut down or live with the fact they lose players to national teams.

The critisizm to the NHL remains very much valid. As well the criticism to the overall stance by the NHL that considers itself above the international hockey.
 
Jussi said:
Do you have any evidence of such happening?
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....And Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test.

You literally have to be living in cave not to be aware of the "allegations" surrounding IOC behavior, but you are free to believe whatever you like...
 
Mr Kanadensisk said:
Do you have any evidence that it is not? The point is that if an organization is corrupt they are hardly going to advertise it.
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That's not how this game works, you made the claim they're doing it, so it's up to you to provide evidence.

TKB said:
....And Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test.

You literally have to be living in cave not to be aware of the "allegations" surrounding IOC behavior, but you are free to believe whatever you like...
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I haven't read of any allegations from recent years of revenue allocated to national Olympic committees being stolen by IOC officials. Of course I haven't followed every federation but I don't recall there being that many storeis to make a case for it being a pattern.
 
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