Flyers Regular Season Discussion Thread V

[Striiker]

Last game Giroux played well enough to have a multi-point game... but no luck.

 

[kudymen]

Last game Giroux played well enough to have a multi-point game... but no luck.

He is not movable

 

[kelmitchell]

Last game Giroux played well enough to have a multi-point game... but no luck.

Time to buyout that worthless bumb

 

[bennysflyers16]

For the Canadians, my sister runs the lounge at biggest hotel in Flin Flon and she had Bobby as a customer last night. Said tsn is doing an interview with him back home, will be pretty cool when it comes out.

 

[Striiker]

Time to buyout that worthless bumb

If only he were a safe player, like Vandevelde...

 

[deadhead]

While I expect Giroux to bounce back, I don't think he's gong to age well, neither will Voracek without changes in attitude.

Guys who age well I suspect are small fast guys and bigger puck control guys. You lose some speed and quickness as you age, but if you start fast, you're still fast enough to make space for yourself.

Bigger guys have to use their bodies as they age, Jagr is the ultimate outlier, he skates like a snail but can still shoot and he's a bear to separate from the puck. Problem with Voracek is he could be this kind of player, but his style is more like a 185 playmaker than a 210 lb power forward. And he's not a great shooter.

Doesn't mean they'll fall off a cliff next year, rather, that as their skills decline Giroux will struggle because of his size, and Voracek because he's has yet to show the toughness required to age well as a big forward.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

While I expect Giroux to bounce back, I don't think he's gong to age well, neither will Voracek without changes in attitude.

Guys who age well I suspect are small fast guys and bigger puck control guys. You lose some speed and quickness as you age, but if you start fast, you're still fast enough to make space for yourself.

Bigger guys have to use their bodies as they age, Jagr is the ultimate outlier, he skates like a snail but can still shoot and he's a bear to separate from the puck. Problem with Voracek is he could be this kind of player, but his style is more like a 185 playmaker than a 210 lb power forward. And he's not a great shooter.

Doesn't mean they'll fall off a cliff next year, rather, that as their skills decline Giroux will struggle because of his size, and Voracek because he's has yet to show the toughness required to age well as a big forward.

I don't even know what half of this means.

However, the bolded is shockingly stupid.

 

[Curufinwe]

Voracek uses his size all the time to protect the puck which is why his possession numbers are so good.

This is another one of those Simmonds-is-slow opinions that have no basis in reality.

 

[Striiker]

I don't even know what half of this means.

However, the bolded is shockingly stupid.

Neither does he.

 

[Magua]

Voracek is one of the strongest puck protectors and more difficult guys to defend 1 v 1 along the boards in the league. 185 lbs finesse player my rear end.

 

[Curufinwe]

I dunno, is that Voracek or Sam Gagner from last year? Their play styles are so similar I can't tell them apart.

 

[Striiker]

Will he admit he's wrong? No, of course not.

He'll just wait a few days, hope that people forgot, and then try to say it again and hope nobody calls him out.

Being correct or incorrect doesn't matter to him, it's all about trying to spin a narrative.

The only problem is that some of the people on this board actually watch hockey and can point out the ******** as soon as it's posted.

 

[mja]

While I expect Giroux to bounce back, I don't think he's gong to age well, neither will Voracek without changes in attitude.

Guys who age well I suspect are small fast guys and bigger puck control guys. You lose some speed and quickness as you age, but if you start fast, you're still fast enough to make space for yourself.

Bigger guys have to use their bodies as they age, Jagr is the ultimate outlier, he skates like a snail but can still shoot and he's a bear to separate from the puck. Problem with Voracek is he could be this kind of player, but his style is more like a 185 playmaker than a 210 lb power forward. And he's not a great shooter.

Doesn't mean they'll fall off a cliff next year, rather, that as their skills decline Giroux will struggle because of his size, and Voracek because he's has yet to show the toughness required to age well as a big forward.

You clearly don't have any idea what you are watching. Simmonds is not in any way slow. And Jake's game is predicated on him using his size and strength to shield the puck, something he's one of the best in the whole league at.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I honestly didn't know Skip Bayless was a Flyers fan.

 

[FLYERSFAN18]

I honestly didn't know Skip Bayless was a Flyers fan.

Me either. Where did you see that?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Me either. Where did you see that?

I'm sure he meant the "hot take" nature of some of the recent hallucinations on this page.

 

[deadhead]

Do you watch Voracek?

His favorite play is to cycle around the net, yes, he protects the puck when he's skating the cycle, but how often do you see him get off good shots in crowds like Schenn or make plays in the crease like Simmonds.

Voracek plays a small man's game at both ends, he rarely hits people, doesn't dig pucks out of the corner on a regular basis, isn't a good shooter, he's a very good passer but why he's become a bad fit with G, you shoot it, no, You shoot it!

It's frustrating because he's a big strong forward who can skate and puck handle, you like him to be more aggressive and it would be nice if he was a better shooter.

He's had one elite season, 2014-15, when he was a dominant player and looked like he arrived, but a subpar following season and now a decent, but not great year. The last two seasons combined, 44 takeaways, 87 giveaways. He's been making too many mistakes.

He's starting to look like at age 27 that he'll be a 35-40 ES/60 point forward (if he stays on the 1st PP). Which is good, except that he's not that much of a two way forward. In other words, a better skating and puck handling but worse shooting version of Schenn. A second line kind of guy. It's just that he should be more, 2014-15 shouldn't be a fluke.

 

[mja]

Do you watch Voracek?

That's what we're asking you. Oh, hell, why am I even bothering.

 

[Rebels57]

Do you watch Voracek?

His favorite play is to cycle around the net, yes, he protects the puck when he's skating the cycle, but how often do you see him get off good shots in crowds like Schenn or make plays in the crease like Simmonds.

Voracek plays a small man's game at both ends, he rarely hits people, doesn't dig pucks out of the corner on a regular basis, isn't a good shooter, he's a very good passer but why he's become a bad fit with G, you shoot it, no, You shoot it!

It's frustrating because he's a big strong forward who can skate and puck handle, you like him to be more aggressive and it would be nice if he was a better shooter.

He's had one elite season, 2014-15, when he was a dominant player and looked like he arrived, but a subpar following season and now a decent, but not great year. The last two seasons combined, 44 takeaways, 87 giveaways. He's been making too many mistakes.

He's starting to look like at age 27 that he'll be a 35-40 ES/60 point forward (if he stays on the 1st PP). Which is good, except that he's not that much of a two way forward. In other words, a better skating and puck handling but worse shooting version of Schenn. A second line kind of guy. It's just that he should be more, 2014-15 shouldn't be a fluke.

You are so ****ing exhausting.

 

[Striiker]

He used a whole lot of words to say very, very little.

And the little that he did say basically translates to "I don't watch Voracek".

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Me either. Where did you see that?

This:

I'm sure he meant the "hot take" nature of some of the recent hallucinations on this page.

 

[Beef Invictus]

While I expect Giroux to bounce back, I don't think he's gong to age well, neither will Voracek without changes in attitude.

Guys who age well I suspect are small fast guys and bigger puck control guys. You lose some speed and quickness as you age, but if you start fast, you're still fast enough to make space for yourself.

Bigger guys have to use their bodies as they age, Jagr is the ultimate outlier, he skates like a snail but can still shoot and he's a bear to separate from the puck. Problem with Voracek is he could be this kind of player, but his style is more like a 185 playmaker than a 210 lb power forward. And he's not a great shooter.

Doesn't mean they'll fall off a cliff next year, rather, that as their skills decline Giroux will struggle because of his size, and Voracek because he's has yet to show the toughness required to age well as a big forward.

Do you watch Voracek?

His favorite play is to cycle around the net, yes, he protects the puck when he's skating the cycle, but how often do you see him get off good shots in crowds like Schenn or make plays in the crease like Simmonds.

Voracek plays a small man's game at both ends, he rarely hits people, doesn't dig pucks out of the corner on a regular basis, isn't a good shooter, he's a very good passer but why he's become a bad fit with G, you shoot it, no, You shoot it!

It's frustrating because he's a big strong forward who can skate and puck handle, you like him to be more aggressive and it would be nice if he was a better shooter.

He's had one elite season, 2014-15, when he was a dominant player and looked like he arrived, but a subpar following season and now a decent, but not great year. The last two seasons combined, 44 takeaways, 87 giveaways. He's been making too many mistakes.

He's starting to look like at age 27 that he'll be a 35-40 ES/60 point forward (if he stays on the 1st PP). Which is good, except that he's not that much of a two way forward. In other words, a better skating and puck handling but worse shooting version of Schenn. A second line kind of guy. It's just that he should be more, 2014-15 shouldn't be a fluke.

 

[Tripod]

Deadhead, you are awful at player evaluation. The more you speak, the more it shows.

 

[deadhead]

So, you think the way Voracek has played the last two years he's a top first line forward? An elite player worth $8+M a year?

Yes, he skates well and makes pretty passes, but explain why he hasn't come close to his 2014-15 season since then - WITH THE SAME PLAYERS - it's not like the Flyers have made any changes in their top six. And these same players are in their prime years, so you can't blame age.

It amazing how the excuses mount up for G & V, these aren't 3rd line wingers making $3M a year, these are supposed to be top players paid like top players, but they're not producing like top players. At some point you have to hold the top players accountable.

And it's not just on offense, Giroux had another sloppy penalty, Voracek had a couple bad turnovers - their +/- numbers, while exaggerated, do reflect that they're not two way players anymore. Caps had their third line matched against Giroux, who won?

We simply don't have a 1st line, right now we have two second lines, a questionable third line and a fourth line that can't score to save its life. We not only need depth, we need some solid players that can take the pressure off G & V, because they can't carry the load.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Voracek uses his size all the time to protect the puck which is why his possession numbers are so good.

This is another one of those Simmonds-is-slow opinions that have no basis in reality.

agreed. I don't get how comments can be made like that about Jake. The guy is a beast when he has the puck when someone is trying to knock him off it.