GeeoffBrown
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The clothesline from chel
Flyers fire John Tortorella, name Brad Shaw interim head coach
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1989
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I wonder how Terry Bradshaw feels about his entire last name going off by itself and coaching an NHL team.
I get firing Torts but do they really think replacing him with 4 time world's strongest man is gonna help them?
Winston Wolf
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SomeDude
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I can appreciate this. If only the Pens could put someone above Sully (naturally a Torts disciple himself) who would hold him accountable as well.
ponder719
Foers Majeure
He just got done very publicly implying he didn't want to be the coach anymore. It's hard not to pull the plug under those circumstances.
Also, the Flyers making a move that the Authentics would get mad about on Opening Day, when a lot of people will be distracted by baseball, makes sense to me.
94 Oil Drops
Preparing for the worst.
thekernel
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- Apr 11, 2011
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Can't say I'm surprised. This guy's identity is built around mailing it in for a paycheque. He took a job in a rebuild knowing it was going to be a rebuild and still found a way to complain about it
Rich Nixon
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HockeyVirus
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I can't believe so many in the other thread were trying to excuse or downplay those comments. Justifiably fired.
Where to begin with John Tortorella?
If he had never won a cup in Tampa, he would not have gotten these many chances. I am a Ranger fan, saw his act up close and I think he's trash. He doesn't do the X/O work and when any media person calls him out, he just acts like a douche and never is held accountable.
That said, I am terrified that the Rangers are going to fire Laviolette and give the keys to Torts again.
The problem lies in the fact that the Torts model is short sighted and unsustainable.
He values hustle and hard work more than skill or creativity. Everyone can name players who are or would be great "Torts guys" and even more who are not.
So because this is how he is, he attracts guys who are lunch pail guys. Because he winds up with a room full of lunch pail guys, they have to be even more lunch pail to stand out.
A team cannot play 82 games of balls to the wall "Torts Hockey" and not have it take a toll. Torts rides his guys like a getaway car, and everyone wonders why it's not ready to race come the post season. Maybe its because he's been beating the shit out of it all season and it gets to the line looking like its ready for a demolition derby.
The last few seasons they do the same thing, they come out of the gate well, then the injuries add up and they hit March/April with the wheels falling off.
The prototype Torts team would have:
A Superstar Goalie with a backup who doesn't mind sitting for a month at a time.
A Bonafide #1 dman and 5 interchangeable guys who would be 3s-4s on a decent team. Grizzly veteran guys. NO room for developing talent on the back end.
A real first line that has 2 skill guys and one who "brings alot of jam"
9 interchangeable guys who are in reality third liners but can play up on a second line or down on a fourth, depending on who is in the doghouse this week.
A team psychologist who can keep this group from killing that weasel.
I am now even more scared he's coming back to NY. What do you guys think we can get for Lafreniere?
If he had never won a cup in Tampa, he would not have gotten these many chances. I am a Ranger fan, saw his act up close and I think he's trash. He doesn't do the X/O work and when any media person calls him out, he just acts like a douche and never is held accountable.
That said, I am terrified that the Rangers are going to fire Laviolette and give the keys to Torts again.
The problem lies in the fact that the Torts model is short sighted and unsustainable.
He values hustle and hard work more than skill or creativity. Everyone can name players who are or would be great "Torts guys" and even more who are not.
So because this is how he is, he attracts guys who are lunch pail guys. Because he winds up with a room full of lunch pail guys, they have to be even more lunch pail to stand out.
A team cannot play 82 games of balls to the wall "Torts Hockey" and not have it take a toll. Torts rides his guys like a getaway car, and everyone wonders why it's not ready to race come the post season. Maybe its because he's been beating the shit out of it all season and it gets to the line looking like its ready for a demolition derby.
The last few seasons they do the same thing, they come out of the gate well, then the injuries add up and they hit March/April with the wheels falling off.
The prototype Torts team would have:
A Superstar Goalie with a backup who doesn't mind sitting for a month at a time.
A Bonafide #1 dman and 5 interchangeable guys who would be 3s-4s on a decent team. Grizzly veteran guys. NO room for developing talent on the back end.
A real first line that has 2 skill guys and one who "brings alot of jam"
9 interchangeable guys who are in reality third liners but can play up on a second line or down on a fourth, depending on who is in the doghouse this week.
A team psychologist who can keep this group from killing that weasel.
I am now even more scared he's coming back to NY. What do you guys think we can get for Lafreniere?
Gjman2019
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He can still coach..............Underlying stats and metrics are quite serviceable....Horrible goaltending numbers and a middling roster is what did them in....
Fortunately for them they're bottoming out now and they need a few years of that so they can stop middling.....
Fortunately for them they're bottoming out now and they need a few years of that so they can stop middling.....
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Gregor Samsa
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He pretty much asked for it with what he said in his last interveiw. He is pretty much done coaching. He basically quit. I never thought he would do that.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
My French is terrible (I haven't even tried since I was in, like, fourth grade) so I had to resort to some online translation as a guide, but I suspect he'd just memorize one phrase and repeat it every time someone asks him to answer en Francais: "C'est de la merde; citez-moi la-dessus."
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Most successful so far, to be sure. That said, it's still too soon to tell on Evason but so far he's looking very good.
PDX Flyer
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Right? Torts single handily cost MM the Calder. His treatment/ usage was criminal. MM excelled in spite of Torts.
He just told publicly that he's given up. No shit you're going to get fired after that.
Ugene Magic
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I’d take Torts over Cronin in a heartbeat. I think he’d gel well with some of the Ducks players like Carlsson, Terry, and Gauthier who are actually good defensively.
Romang67
BitterSwede
On the one hand, he was never going to keep being the coach after those comments. On the other hand:
It's like the Flyers decided to just lean into their reputation as a goaltending graveyard, and show everyone how bad it could be.
Show me a Jack Adams winning coach, and I'll show you a great goaltending season. This is the inverse of that.
Yeah. No other team has had a season-long team save percentage of <.880 since the expansion teams in the late 90s. It's staggeringly bad, and the worst thing is that with a goaltending trio of Ersson (which is a stupid name, cause no one is named Er), Fedotov (who is literally JUST large), and Kolosov (who is somehow even worse than Ersson and Fedotov), it's not even surprising.
It's like the Flyers decided to just lean into their reputation as a goaltending graveyard, and show everyone how bad it could be.
Show me a Jack Adams winning coach, and I'll show you a great goaltending season. This is the inverse of that.
