GDT: Flyers @ Canes
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Joe McGrath
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Couple of thoughts. The double Staal double ole on the Flyers goal was hilarious. Almost as hilarious as Brad Malone scoring. Murphy was horrible. Like, back to the AHL tomorrow horrible.
Hope Giroux is OK.
Hope Giroux is OK.
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Well it was quite nice to leave PNC Arena after a takeover and not have to hear obnoxious opposing fans on the way out for once. Wonderful start to what could be a fantastic weekend of sports...!
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Apparently they think it would have been a pretty serious injury if Giroux hadn't been wearing a kevlar sock. Good argument for wearing a pair, I'd say.
Was in 101 tonight. Great view of Malone's goal!
If the Staals are a potential long-term thing, then BP and co. should give Lindholm a shot in the middle on the 2nd line. Despite all this McEichel talk, I’d be quite surprised if they finished poorly enough and got lucky enough come lottery time to get either one. (My realistic, albeit optimistic, draft scenario now involves Carolina passing up the Sabres and Coyotes by the end of the season and getting Hanifin with Arizona drafting for need.) I think of Rask as more of a long-term 3C. That may be a premature determination considering he's only a rookie, but I haven’t been overly impressed with his offensive skill, beyond some slick stickhandling. On the flip side, Rask's two-way play has been surprisingly good for a player his age.
Speaking of Lindholm, he was passing the puck like a madman last night. It feels like he’s approached the game with more of a shooter’s mentality thus far this season. Maybe it was a function of his linemates, but it felt like Lindholm was looking to pass first, second and third against the Flyers. He’s not going to make your jaw drop like Semin does from time to time, but the simplicity and smartness of his passing will make him a very effective playmaker in time.
Speaking of Lindholm, he was passing the puck like a madman last night. It feels like he’s approached the game with more of a shooter’s mentality thus far this season. Maybe it was a function of his linemates, but it felt like Lindholm was looking to pass first, second and third against the Flyers. He’s not going to make your jaw drop like Semin does from time to time, but the simplicity and smartness of his passing will make him a very effective playmaker in time.
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Sounds like the team is getting healthy. Only person not a practice today is Liles (flu). RF will need to reduce the roster by 1 player (2 when Liles comes off IR). Send Rask (waiver exempt) to Charlotte and try these lines:
12-11-22
19-16-28
53-20-15
14-18-39
24 25
4-27
65-73
6-7
47 (26 IR)
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My hope is that we keep Lindholm on the first line while they're hot and have Rask center the second line. Then draft one of McEichel or Strome, whom all of which are pass first guys.
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Victor Rask, with his 3 even strength points in 38 games, and hasn't scored a point at all in 14 games?
He's the 2nd worst in points at even strength ahead of only Brad Malone. That includes the defense. (Bellemore has 3 points in 19 games).
I think it's a bit premature to pencil Rask into anything other than 4th liner/AHL callup on a mediocre hockey team.
What the Faulk
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I don't know about that, I mean pointing out that player X is not scoring this year is kind of redundant. No one is scoring at the moment. The progression of Riley Nash is kinda interesting though.
ES in 2014-15:
The problem is, this team is still short one center if the Staals play together. If they somehow could land McEichel, that kinda solves that, but what happen to Rask? Maybe a Lindholm thing where he plays the wing but takes draws and plays on the PP?
Staal // Staal // Semin
Skinner // X // Lindholm
Gerbe // Nash // X
X // Rask // X
That's not a bad starting point.
ES in 2014-15:
The problem is, this team is still short one center if the Staals play together. If they somehow could land McEichel, that kinda solves that, but what happen to Rask? Maybe a Lindholm thing where he plays the wing but takes draws and plays on the PP?
Staal // Staal // Semin
Skinner // X // Lindholm
Gerbe // Nash // X
X // Rask // X
That's not a bad starting point.
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I don't know about that, I mean pointing out that player X is not scoring this year is kind of redundant. No one is scoring at the moment. The progression of Riley Nash is kinda interesting though.
ES in 2014-15:
Hey, a request. When you guys post charts like these, can you dumb it down for those of us on the wrong side of 40 who don't want to have to think about crap anymore?
So for this one, I think we're looking for bigger, bluer, right-er and toward the bottom for the guys doing well, and smaller, redder, left-er and toward the top for those struggling (with Sekera/Faulk getting a pass because they're defensemen, generally matched up against the other team's top forward line?). Right?
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Near as I can tell:
The shooting percentages for everyone but Terry and Tlusty absolutely sucks (which might explain all the low-scoring games)
Skinner and Staal are generating the most scoring chances for themselves, with Gerbe and Lindholm a close second, but the team has the most scoring chances when Semin, Gerbe and Jay Harrison (?) are on the ice.
Most concerning is that somehow, Tlusty and Boychuk are just a step above Malone when it comes to generating scoring chances. That's not good.
The shooting percentages for everyone but Terry and Tlusty absolutely sucks (which might explain all the low-scoring games)
Skinner and Staal are generating the most scoring chances for themselves, with Gerbe and Lindholm a close second, but the team has the most scoring chances when Semin, Gerbe and Jay Harrison (?) are on the ice.
Most concerning is that somehow, Tlusty and Boychuk are just a step above Malone when it comes to generating scoring chances. That's not good.
DaveG
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Very favorable zone starts and matchups? (just speculating on this one, I haven't looked for any kind of idea). That and he's actually not terribad as a 3rd pairing defenseman, decent at moving the puck at the very least. He's just not paid like a 3rd pairing guy sadly, and he has the cap hit of a #2/3 guy.
What the Faulk
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Yep, you got it. Mainly I was looking at scoring chances for/against per 60 (per 60 just normalizes for ice-time) but just decided to throw the other two variables in there because of room. I probably should have separated the forwards and defensemen because they're not really made the same at all. Most of the time I just look at these for fun and don't try to draw too much of a conclusion from them, but it is interesting.
Yeah, Tlusty was the one that jumped out at me most. If we expand it back to the lockout, things don't get all that much more favorable for him. He definitely seems like a prime "sell high" candidate because he's going to want money that his numbers just don't support. He scores a lot on this team because of who he plays with and that he's one of the few players who actually go to the net. If they can get other players to do that, he won't be missed.
Liles also seemed odd to me. He's getting the third highest O-zone starts for defensemen behind Murphy and Jordan and faces the easiest matchups of anyone except Jordan, but that's only part of the picture. You still have to take advantage or adequately fill the role. It's a shame he makes what he does, because he's played fairly well and his CF% relative is the best on the team.
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It's not really that concerning if you look behind this 1 chart a little (at least for Boychuk). Boychuk is playing 4th line minutes. Why would you expect that his scoring chances would be much different than Malone, or Dwyer, or McClement given how he's been used most of the season? He's not strong enough to carry a bunch of offensively inept players on his own. To back this up:
1) Boychuk is 13th on the team in ES TOI/GP so he's getting 4th line minutes (his toi/gp falls between Dwyer and McClement).
2) His is 4th on the team in terms of defensive zone starts with only McClement, Malone, and Dwyer, ie..he's being used in a 4th line role consistent with those guys.
3) His most common linemates are Patrick Dwyer and Jay McClement.
Given that, it's not surprising to me at all that his scoring chances for are where they are.
Tlusty is a bit more of a question mark/concern though as he is getting time with better players and more offensive zone starts. He is, and always has been a product of his line-mates. He's the definition of a complimentary player where he does a lot of the little things that compliment stronger players (when they are playing well), but as far as generating chances on his own, or being the driver of chances, not so much. Maybe that's why? (just speculating). He's also faced the toughest competition (Corsi-rel) of any Hurricane forward as well for the season so that probably comes into play as well.
Joe McGrath
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The Tlusty info really isn't all the surprising to me. I've said many times how completely invisible he's been many times this season and last. I was really hoping they'd be able to get a first from stupid JR for him when he started the year off scoring as much as he did, but now that's dried up and JR got his top 6 winger? Maybe a 3rd and a B prospect is what he's probably worth.
Navin R Slavin
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Wonder how true the bolded is. It's an attractive answer, but I don't know if it's actually right. If it is, that means we can get any decent forward and pound "willingness to go to the net" into his head/game. If that were really that easy, wouldn't we be having more success?
He was also, don't forget, a first round draft pick.
Agree with everything else. Good time to sell.
What the Faulk
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Move him to forward and you have a poor man's Chad LaRose.
I think Nash is showing signs of it too. Lately, at least. Skinner somewhat as well, and though Eric's distance is down (up?), historically he's been that guy. Jordan too. I think it comes down to talent. Better players will be able to find soft spots or create separation to get better quality chances. The guy who immediately jumps out to me who doesn't is Rask. He seems to take a lot of longer range shots that have little chance of going in or creating a rebound. Tlusty is a useful player on the 3rd line, but he's probably going to be looking for too much for him to be an option there.
What the Faulk
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I'm not saying replace him with Patrick Dwyer or anything, I just think a guy like Nathan Gerbe for half the price makes more sense than Tlusty if he's going to play on the 3rd line. It's what kinda gets this team in trouble. They overpay their own players to stick around and often they don't take any kind of next step to make themselves worth the contract. If, say, Brock McGinn can come in on an ELC and fill that role towards the end of it, then gets re-signed for 1.5-2 X whatever, that's a whole lot of money saved. What can we realistically expect from Tlusty in a 3rd line role? He's probably not going to score 20 from that spot and he isn't good enough defensively to justify what he's probably looking for. If 3x3 was an option, I think Francis would have offered it last offseason.
