I disagree. I see players lined up along the faceoff line and don't even prepare themselves to win a +/- battle. Or even pregame skates! Brodie doesn't even stretch his +/- muscles for gods sakes!?!
We need to have an assistant coach just for the +/- aspect of the game. Even our scouts are terrible for drafting kids with poor +/- stats. That basically says everything you need to know about a player - even allowing you to go without watching him play.
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It is very surprising because his play has gone downhill in the last month+ and I see him being the direct cause for a considerable number of GA.
I watch a lot of Flames games
I watch a lot of Flames games
amjay13
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So yeah...
You should compare him to Kevan Miller at +18 instead.
Brodie actually contributes on the scoreboard having 8 goals and 24 assists in 54 games
He is comparing him to schultz due to the fact that he was a plus 50 once. It just goes to show how flawed +/- is.
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kanucks25
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Anglesmith
Setting up the play?
Tanev isn't +26. That's what's wrong.
In all seriousness, as much as Tanev has been impressive and their respective careers have followed similar trajectories, I don't know if there is a single argument you could make in favour of Tanev which doesn't apply more strongly to Brodie. Brodie plays the toughest minutes on the team (with Giordano, of course), has great possession numbers relative to his team, and chips in above .5 ppg.
kanucks25
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Tanev isn't +26. That's what's wrong.
In all seriousness, as much as Tanev has been impressive and their respective careers have followed similar trajectories, I don't know if there is a single argument you could make in favour of Tanev which doesn't apply more strongly to Brodie. Brodie plays the toughest minutes on the team (with Giordano, of course), has great possession numbers relative to his team, and chips in above .5 ppg.
I'm just saying you can make an argument. I know Calgary fans think Brodie is better and Canucks fans think Tanev is better. I don't think it's laughable like the guy I quoted suggests.
Brodie is obviously better offensively, no doubt, but Tanev can't really put up numbers when he doesn't play the power-play.
Tanev plays the same tough minutes Brodie does. IMO, Tanev is better defensively.
Anglesmith
Setting up the play?
For sure, both teams should be proud of these guys either way. I would say that both players are at a point in their games where defensive mistakes are really rare, so it's hard to say one guy is better than the other defensively. Brodie used to have issues in his own end, but now he's as solid and reliable as they come. A lot of guys try to walk him for whatever reason, but he rarely ever gets beat even on a 2-on-1.
I know and I'm pointing out how Brodie's +/- has a lot to do with his own contributions rather than a 124 point offensive-powerhouse team completely inflating his +/-
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Why was he drafted so low? He's average sized, great skater, good IQ- was it a case of him just being a not so great that got amazing development?
Is Kevan Miller's plus minus due to his own contributions then? I honestly don't know. Never watched the guy
Anglesmith
Setting up the play?
He was very light in his draft year and projected to be more of an offensive specialist. Him having an NHL career at all relied entirely on a) putting on mass and b) learning to play defence. Luckily he has hit both out of the ballpark.
Well being +18 as a 3rd D pairing with 2 goals and 4 assists absolutely not.
Caged Great
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He was basically a forward on defense. He had very little defensive awareness at all when he was selected. He's been working hard to improve his defensive game, which is why his offensive numbers have been poor the last few years. He is finally showing his true offensive game this year.
Him and Giordano are doing great for me and my hockey pool.
I have to admit, as much as I don't like the Flames, I'm pretty happy they're doing well. They've always tried to ice a competitive team, compared to another team to the north of them....
I have to admit, as much as I don't like the Flames, I'm pretty happy they're doing well. They've always tried to ice a competitive team, compared to another team to the north of them....
That's really over exaggerated. He had a poor game against the Pens (the whole team did) but otherwise he's been playing well consistently. His point totals have cooled a bit, but his positional and defensive play has not gone downhill.
Anglesmith
Setting up the play?
He has been turning the puck over a lot in the defensive and neutral zones lately. The San Jose game had a half dozen of them.
I'd also say 'a lot' is an exaggeration, especially when talking about a month as a sample size (as was said above).
Not to mention, in the San Jose game he had several instances of breaking up plays in the defensive end, winning foot races to do so etc.
His play has not dropped off as a whole, he's been extremely solid as of late just as he's been all year.
