Friedman: Flames looking for a scoring forward from the Blues (Tarasenko or Barbashev)

[Unbiased Fan]

The point is he costs 10x more.
Read it again, maybe slower


The last thing the Flames need is to give up yet more futures for another post apex expensive forward.

Taresanko only has about a 2 million dollar cap hit at 75% retained

 

[Yepthatsme]

The point is he costs 10x more.
Read it again, maybe slower


The last thing the Flames need is to give up yet more futures for another post apex expensive forward.

How much money your paying a player means absolutely nothing to the quality of product they are putting on the ice for a single season. I want a call up as much as any Flames fan, but Tarasenko helps the team infinitely more than any of our prospects for this season only.

How would blues fans feel about a young roster player, then either a high pick and a good prospect, or a good pick and a great prospect for whatever retention to make it work?

1st, Dube, Phillips/Schwindt/Poirier or
2nd, Dube, Pelletier/Zary?

Afterwards Calgary’s lineup:

Huberdeau-Kadri-Tarasenko
Ruzicka-Lindholm-Toffoli
Mangiapane-Backlund-Coleman
Lucic-Lewis-Ritchie

 

[Falco Lombardi]

How much money your paying a player means absolutely nothing to the quality of product they are putting on the ice for a single season. I want a call up as much as any Flames fan, but Tarasenko helps the team infinitely more than any of our prospects for this season only.

How would blues fans feel about a young roster player, then either a high pick and a good prospect, or a good pick and a great prospect for whatever retention to make it work?

1st, Dube, Phillips/Schwindt/Poirier or
2nd, Dube, Pelletier/Zary?

Afterwards Calgary’s lineup:

Huberdeau-Kadri-Tarasenko
Ruzicka-Lindholm-Toffoli
Mangiapane-Backlund-Coleman
Lucic-Lewis-Ritchie

Not familiar enough with Calgary’s prospects but yeah a 1st + a good prospect would be of real interest, especially if that prospect is a d-man

 

[Yepthatsme]

Not familiar enough with Calgary’s prospects but yeah a 1st + a good prospect would be of real interest, especially if that prospect is a d-man

Jeremie Poirier is the definition of the word project, but his offense is absolutely dynamic. Was one of the best offensive defenseman in the Q in his time there, and has had no problems with his jump to the AHL with 8 points in first 12 games to start his career. His defensive abilities is what makes him a project, buts he’s progressed every year so far. After him, Flame’s fans don’t like talking about our defense prospects…

 

[PuckG]

Great idea. Give up more futures to make a mediocre team a tad less mediocre.

 

[Bounces R Way]

How much money your paying a player means absolutely nothing to the quality of product they are putting on the ice for a single season.

Uhh yes it absolutely does. Especially since the Flames are within 1 million of the cap as it is. Unless you figure somehow Lucic's cap hit is immaterial there's simply no way this logic makes sense.

Trading 3 good young cheap futures assets for a 30 year old UFA who has played more than 30 games exactly once in the last three seasons == How to close a contention window as quickly as possible

 

[Yepthatsme]

Uhh yes it absolutely does. Especially since the Flames are within 1 million of the cap as it is. Unless you figure somehow Lucic's cap hit is immaterial there's simply no way this logic makes sense.

Trading 3 good young cheap futures assets for a 30 year old UFA who has played more than 30 games exactly once in the last three seasons == How to close a contention window as quickly as possible

Us being within 1 million of the cap is a misnomer. The Flames aren’t a capped out team, so we aren’t getting any salary relief from IR. Stone coming off IR will actually save us give us more cap space as well since a more expensive player will get sent down. Depending on Kylington’s situation, Calgary actually has just over 4 million in cap space currently from unused LTIR, and if we send back Dube in any trade that allows us to pick up a player in roughly the 6.5M cap value. All this as per capfriendly by the way, seemingly nobody but them noticed Kylington was placed on IR.

A 1st round pick reasonably won’t help this team for 3ish season if they hit their full potential, then multiple years after that before being a true impact player. A prospect is never a guarantee to be an impact player even to begin with. How to close a contention window is by never fully opening it in the first place. Our team isn’t set up for long term success as is, it would be asinine to not try and maximize our current teams potential for players who MAY help 3 years down the line when our core is 30-33. If we can send of 1sts/ less refined prospects while keeping our almost ready prospects who are knocking on the door (Coronato, Zary, Pelletier, Wolf), we should jump on the opportunity. That’s how you set-up a solid 3-4 year window, and after that the roster will have changed by 70-80% regardless.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Us being within 1 million of the cap is a misnomer. The Flames aren’t a capped out team, so we aren’t getting any salary relief from IR. Stone coming off IR will actually save us give us more cap space as well since a more expensive player will get sent down. Depending on Kylington’s situation, Calgary actually has just over 4 million in cap space currently from unused LTIR, and if we send back Dube in any trade that allows us to pick up a player in roughly the 6.5M cap value. All this as per capfriendly by the way, seemingly nobody but them noticed Kylington was placed on IR.

A 1st round pick reasonably won’t help this team for 3ish season if they hit their full potential, then multiple years after that before being a true impact player. A prospect is never a guarantee to be an impact player even to begin with. How to close a contention window is by never fully opening it in the first place. Our team isn’t set up for long term success as is, it would be asinine to not try and maximize our current teams potential for players who MAY help 3 years down the line when our core is 30-33. If we can send of 1sts/ less refined prospects while keeping our almost ready prospects who are knocking on the door (Coronato, Zary, Pelletier, Wolf), we should jump on the opportunity. That’s how you set-up a solid 3-4 year window, and after that the roster will have changed by 70-80% regardless.

Well again, Tarasenko is a UFA after this season, so really not sure how acquiring him now is setting up a 3-4 year window. Plus I guess that supposes the Kylington isn't coming back this season.

The Flames are locked into a lot of older players on big money deals, and will be further locked in if they decide to extend Lindholm and Hanifin next year. More reason to hang on to these futures to extend their chances of being competitive with these older expensive players. They are going to need cheap ELCs to fill out roster positions, and they are going to need them sooner rather than later.

If it is clear the team needs more offense later in the year then sure go out and spend at the deadline. Look at Tarasenko or whoever. But it's the middle of November, what could be the harm in trying some prospects in the top 9. If they work out well great you've solved your problem without spending a ton of assets and cap space. If they don't whatever, send em down and try something else.

 

[roman star]

vrana for the 2023 1st + a prospect

 

[HuGort]

Makes sense. Flames desperately need offense. Dube could be going the other way.

Blues & Flames Emerging as Trade Partners

According to Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet, the Calgary Flames are trying to add a scoring forward and the St Louis Blues have been linked ...

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Be minimum first pick in return. Likely more. Tarasenko consistent 35 goal scorer. He'd be in high demand trade deadline. Hard to get that kind of scoring, especially 50%retained.

 

[CF84]

Great idea. Give up more futures to make a mediocre team a tad less mediocre.

Yeah, you'd obviously be an expert in that area.

 

[Dirby Kach]

Zary + 1st + Lucic cap dump for Tarasenko?

 

[Mez]

Flames def need more aging wingers!

 

[Semoner403]

Great idea. Give up more futures to make a mediocre team a tad less mediocre.

One of the rare times the oilers are above the flames. I’ll let you have this. You need it more than we do. It’s Sad really.

And no. Winning one playoff series doesn’t erase a loooooong history of being the joke of professional sports and despite having the best player since 99, your team is still a massive failure.

So ya. You can have this. Your welcome

 

[TheNumber4]

Talentless hack Flames need some scoring talent, that's obvious and not unexpected. But don't the Blues need exactly that as well? Trading Tank or Barbashev has to signal the end of an era, if letting Perron walk didn't already.

 

[rocketdan9]

Better get in line for Barbashev. He'll probably get a 1st with 50% retention if they sell him at the TDL, regardless of how bad his numbers are.

Unless a new extension is in place.... I doubt it

Without an extension 2nd and 5th