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He is getting better. This summer he wasn't even in my top 15 I don't think.Obviously ... I feel like he is getting better every year, he deserves the 1-way for next year.
He is getting better. This summer he wasn't even in my top 15 I don't think.Obviously ... I feel like he is getting better every year, he deserves the 1-way for next year.
How is Ortio easily ahead? McDonald was just the 1st goaltender selected in his draft year, ahead of Demko who many predict to be a stud and it wasn't an out of nowhere pick either. Ortio is just starting to look like he has an NHL future just before his waiver eligibility expires.
And no Poirier is not ahead of Klimchuk "for sure", it is very much debatable.
Can you elabourate more on that last part though? You did have Klimchuk ahead of Poirier in your rankings. I did watch both in action in a few games this season and you probably watched more of them, but all I'm saying is that stat-wise, Poirier is the top dog for his team as a first-year pro while Klimchuk is still just a little better than a PPG player in junior. Not that Klimchuk is not progressing by any means, but a player of his type in his second post-draft season might be expected to be much better than a PPG player. I know stats don't tell the whole story, but at the moment, wouldn't Poirier be in a more advanced position than Klimchuk?
I think AF really likes Klimchuk because of his defensive abilities. The day in hockey, two way forwards are so key, so I am hoping Morgan turns out to be a solid 2nd/3rd liner LW for us in the future (especially if Baertschi doesn't really pan out the way we want him to).
Poirer is a two way player.
I think Poirer is the better player right now. No slight to Klimchuk, just my opinion.
Elaborate on the fact it is debatable which is better between Poirier and Klimchuk?Can you elabourate more on that last part though? You did have Klimchuk ahead of Poirier in your rankings. I did watch both in action in a few games this season and you probably watched more of them, but all I'm saying is that stat-wise, Poirier is the top dog for his team as a first-year pro while Klimchuk is still just a little better than a PPG player in junior. Not that Klimchuk is not progressing by any means, but a player of his type in his second post-draft season might be expected to be much better than a PPG player. I know stats don't tell the whole story, but at the moment, wouldn't Poirier be in a more advanced position than Klimchuk?
What makes Poirier ahead though? Because he is scoring some in the in the AHL? If Klimchuk was allowed in the AHL he would be doing just as well. Last season they had similar numbers while Klimchuk played in the tougher league.I am not saying easily ahead, but Poirer is ahead of Klimchuk right now. In 5 years...who knows?
Based solely off statistics (because I haven't had the benefit of seeing Poirier play more than once or twice but I have seen Klimchuk half a dozen times or more) I'd almost call them equal. Each is involved in about 21% of their team's offense, each have progressed over the last two years (Klimchuk took a much bigger step than Poirier last season, but Poirier is putting up similar numbers in a pro league this year - which I would call a bigger step) and both are still highly valued in my opinion.
What I like about Klimchuk is his hockey sense. He knows where the puck is going to be, and puts himself there. I mentioned this before; he reminds me of Luc Robitaille in that sense (clearly with a much lower scoring ability).
Because my math is garbage and I was comparing the wrong seasons...How do you figure that Klimchuk made a much bigger step last year than Poirier?
Gaudreau and Jooris are not prospects anymore in my opinion. They have shown the ability to play and stick at the NHL level already.
1. Sam Bennett
2. Emile Poirier
3. Sven Baertschi
4. Jon Gillies
5. Morgan Klimchuk
6. Drew Shore
7. Markus Granlund
8. Tyler Wotherspoon
9. Michael Ferland
10. Mark Jankowski
11. Joni Ortio
12. Bill Arnold
13. Ryan Culkin
14. Mason McDonald
15. Brandon Hickey
On a side note I still have high hopes for Brett Kulak. He has the talent level to become an NHL player, but I am not sure if he has the character or maturity level to get there.
Because my math is garbage and I was comparing the wrong seasons...
What you astutely point out is just adding more evidence to support my opinion that they were basically the same. Making similar progression until this season.
This season is comparing a bit more apples to oranges but I still maintain they remain at the same level. The only point I will concede is that Poirier has shown that he's more capable at the pro level than Klimchuk, because he's been able to prove he is.
I like these, but I feel like Janko should be a little higher.
My top 10 is so different......
1. Gaudreau
2. Bennett
3. Baertschi
4. Gillies
5. Klimchuk
6. Poirier
7. Jankowski
8. Wotherspoon
9. McDonald
10. Shore
11. Granlund
13. Arnold
14. Ortio
15. Sieloff
I am not saying easily ahead, but Poirer is ahead of Klimchuk right now. In 5 years...who knows?
to me Poirier is like Glencross, right down to the bad penalties speed and great shot. Where Klimchuk is more like Backlund with good two way play and great hockey sense.I think there are two things going in Poirier's favour: 1) as mentioned, he's ripping up a pro league right now. I understand Klimchuk has been injured, but he's not showing particularly good progression statistically; 2) Poirier has a clearly better set of physical tools - he's faster, bigger, stronger, and seems to have better shooting capability. Klimchuk is the smarter of the two, but it's not like Poirier is a dumb player, either. I don't think Klimchuk's smarts are enough to make up for the edge Poirier has over him physically.
I think there are two things going in Poirier's favour: 1) as mentioned, he's ripping up a pro league right now. I understand Klimchuk has been injured, but he's not showing particularly good progression statistically; 2) Poirier has a clearly better set of physical tools - he's faster, bigger, stronger, and seems to have better shooting capability. Klimchuk is the smarter of the two, but it's not like Poirier is a dumb player, either. I don't think Klimchuk's smarts are enough to make up for the edge Poirier has over him physically.