Post-Game Talk: Flame Broiled

[Shesterkybomb]

Because most players that are true NHL prospects are like 3x bigger and 5x better than their competition when they're kids. They're almost always going to look like worldbeaters when they're 15 being 5'10 185 lbs going to private lessons playing kids that are 5'6 150 and have never considered professional hockey as a career path.

This is the problem

 

[mike14]

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this has always annoyed me; but are we an outlier, or do most teams do something like this?

Does anyone actually know what their roles are, either? I imagine it's not development from a skills/tactics perspective, because that should be the coaches, so is it more "this is how you approach camp", "this is how you maintain fitness during the season", "this is how you don't blow all your $$ on hookers and coke" etc

 

[Shesterkybomb]

this has always annoyed me; but are we an outlier, or do most teams do something like this?

Does anyone actually know what their roles are, either? I imagine it's not development from a skills/tactics perspective, because that should be the coaches, so is it more "this is how you approach camp", "this is how you maintain fitness during the season", "this is how you don't blow all your $$ on hookers and coke" etc

We just love giving "good guys" jobs whether they are qualified or not. It's sad because there's no cap on these types of additions that can make huge differences in how successful the franchise is and the Rangers are flush with cash, it's a no brainer to have the best scouts, development staff, nhl coaches, ahl coaches, fitness personnel, trainers etc. Marc Staal stepped out of his shoulder pads and into that job, he has 0 experience.

 

[Overcast]

this has always annoyed me; but are we an outlier, or do most teams do something like this?

Does anyone actually know what their roles are, either? I imagine it's not development from a skills/tactics perspective, because that should be the coaches, so is it more "this is how you approach camp", "this is how you maintain fitness during the season", "this is how you don't blow all your $$ on hookers and coke" etc

I don't think the general public really knows what any of these guys' day-to-day duties actually are. By outlier do you mean NYR giving player development positions to a higher number of former players? Because definitely not.

Tampa has Stacy Roest and JP Cote (27 NHL games).

Florida has Bryan McCabe, Patrick Hornqvist, Tomi Maki, and Mike Ryan.

Nashville has Rob Scuderi, Nathan Gerbe, Mark Borowiecki, and Pekka Rinne.

Minnesota has Derek Stepan (hey we know that guy!), Cody McLeod, Brad Bombardir, and Matt Hendricks (who is also the Iowa Wild GM).

Dallas has Rich Peverley.

Carolina has Peter Harrold, Daniel Bochner, Kevin McCarthy, and Jason Muzzatti.

Washington has Steve Richmond.

Of the above guys, SC winners as players are Hornqvist, Bombardir (32 RS games and 1 playoff game with NJD in 1999-2000), Scuderi, and Peverley. Some the other people listed above never played in the NHL, but had lengthy careers in Europe. Some had short overall careers. I wish I had the mental fortitude to go through the rest of the league but I don't think it really matters. 3 actual SC winners (4 if you want to include Bombardir despite him not really playing much in NJD's Cup run) are employed in player development positions across the teams I looked through, and most teams have at least 1 former NHLer of varying calibers in a player development role. Most weren't stellar or remarkable NHLers. f***ing Mark Borowiecki is doing this stuff.

 

[mike14]

I don't think the general public really knows what any of these guys' day-to-day duties actually are. By outlier do you mean giving NYR giving player development positions to a higher number of former players? Because definitely not.

Tampa has Stacy Roest and JP Cote (27 NHL games).

Florida has Bryan McCabe, Patrick Hornqvist, Tomi Maki, and Mike Ryan.

Nashville has Rob Scuderi, Nathan Gerbe, Mark Borowiecki, and Pekka Rinne.

Minnesota has Derek Stepan (hey we know that guy!), Cody McLeod, Brad Bombardir, and Matt Hendricks (who is also the Iowa Wild GM).

Dallas has Rich Peverley.

Carolina has Peter Harrold, Daniel Bochner, Kevin McCarthy, and Jason Muzzatti.

Washington has Steve Richmond.

Of the above guys, SC winners as players are Hornqvist, Bombardir (32 RS games and 1 playoff game with NJD in 1999-2000), Scuderi, and Peverley. I wish I had the mental fortitude to go through the rest of the league but I don't think it really matters. 3 actual SC winners are employed across the 4 teams I looked at. I'm not counting Bombardir here. Most weren't stellar or remarkable NHLers. f***ing Mark Borowiecki is doing this stuff.

Thanks for that.
Yeah, by outlier i was questioning whether other teams were like us in getting in 'random' past players, or are they bringing external experts and we are being left in the dust.
It does look like these roles are mainly for past players, possibly while they work out what they want to do post hockey and whether they are interested in 'up-skilling' before going for management positions in the future

 

[mike14]

We just love giving "good guys" jobs whether they are qualified or not. It's sad because there's no cap on these types of additions that can make huge differences in how successful the franchise is and the Rangers are flush with cash, it's a no brainer to have the best scouts, development staff, nhl coaches, ahl coaches, fitness personnel, trainers etc. Marc Staal stepped out of his shoulder pads and into that job, he has 0 experience.

But what is the qualification for the roles you initially highlighted? I have a feeling that "understand a player's day-to-day requirements and how to navigate NHL life" means that it's a job really only available to ex-players. Whether are better options than the ones we have is up for debate, but based on Overcast's post, I don't think that's really the case.

For scouting, off ice skill development, coaching, fitness etc I 100% agree that we should be leading the field and we don't seem to be

 

[Overcast]

Thanks for that.
Yeah, by outlier i was questioning whether other teams were like us in getting in 'random' past players, or are they bringing external experts and we are being left in the dust.
It does look like these roles are mainly for past players, possibly while they work out what they want to do post hockey and whether they are interested in 'up-skilling' before going for management positions in the future

Basically all of the teams I listed had at least 1 former NHLer in the role and yea like you're saying, pretty much all former players. Some guys were harder to find any info on like Daniel Bochner but he still played up to some like, tier 2/3 leagues in Serbia and France. Something I just thought about after going back to look at a guy like Bochner: Helping these kids navigate playing in a foreign country has to be a huge part. General mentoring and again like you're saying how to navigate the day-to-day responsibilities of being a professional hockey player.

 

[Captain Lindy]

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Part of the country club! They got their jobs because they are friends of management, not because they are qualified.

 

[bobbop]

I’ve been a Ranger fan since 1959 and this is the most disappointed I have ever been in this team. Horseshit effort from a group of badly overpaid players.

Think I struck a chord here…my most liked post ever

 

[Shesterkybomb]

But what is the qualification for the roles you initially highlighted? I have a feeling that "understand a player's day-to-day requirements and how to navigate NHL life" means that it's a job really only available to ex-players. Whether are better options than the ones we have is up for debate, but based on Overcast's post, I don't think that's really the case.

For scouting, off ice skill development, coaching, fitness etc I 100% agree that we should be leading the field and we don't seem to be

Our development is a massive failure and anyone tied to it should be canned. Lafreniere is a can't miss prospects, and between us and Buffalo we are the only teams that could possibly miss on him, Kakko too imo. Lafreniere dominated at every level, and has played well at this level too. This crap always happens here and if he leaves he'll become a 80+ point player. I'm really disappointed with this organization, they can't trade their way to a cup, can't develop players that will get them there, they are the most useless group I've ever seen manage a team

 

[Unpredictable1]

Think I struck a chord here…my most liked post ever

Quite possibly one of the most credible "I've seen some shit" statements around these parts.

Cheers!

 

[Megustaelhockey]

Think I struck a chord here…my most liked post ever

I feel like the Rangers teams that were worse in terms of performance at least seemed like they were trying.

That's what kills me about the 24-25 Rangers... How do you fix dontgiveashit?

 

[Profet]

I feel like the Rangers teams that were worse in terms of performance at least seemed like they were trying.

That's what kills me about the 24-25 Rangers... How do you fix dontgiveashit?

Teams that were worse had clear directions.

This team's direction is perpetual mediocrity.

You can't trade first round picks AND be dog shit.

It's one or the other.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Marc Staal is the only one worth a shit on that list.