Confirmed Trade: [FLA/MTL] Ben Chiarot (50%) for 2023 1st round pick, 2022 4th round pick, and Ty Smilanic

[thadd]

I'm here to apologize to Habs fans for mocking them and insisting they wouldn't get a 1st rounder for Chairot. They did very well here.

 

[lamp9post]

I see Florida is taking the "Columbus 2019" approach.


How often has a team gone "all in" and came close to winning the Cup when they've basically had zero recent playoff success?

But didn't Columbus come in at the 8th seed? And to their credit they did upset Tampa in the first round. Florida is a legit top-5 team. No reason for them not to go for it.

 

[periferal]

But didn't Columbus come in at the 8th seed? And to their credit they did upset Tampa in the first round. Florida is a legit top-5 team. No reason for them not to go for it.

It's very rare for a team that didn't have recent playoff success to win the Cup out of nowhere. The playoffs are different and it takes experience in them to learn how to win playoff series. The odds are the Panthers won't win the Cup this year and then going forward they've made it harder to trade for what they need in the future.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

The takeaway from this trade is a reminder that while many organizations can view a price point as an overpay, all it takes is one GM to break the market on the player.

 

[Mogo]

It's very rare for a team that didn't have recent playoff success to win the Cup out of nowhere. The playoffs are different and it takes experience in them to learn how to win playoff series. The odds are the Panthers won't win the Cup this year and then going forward they've made it harder to trade for what they need in the future.

Blues

 

[Habs Halifax]

Overplayed in the sens of i would like to see a better defenseman at 23 minutes. I looked at the games, I just desagree

You just don't like him but he's earned that 20-23 min per game by actually playing. You need to look a little more without some pre determined outcome. I'm assuming you think top 4D should be more offensive which is the real flaw that many fans have.

Go target guys like Macdonagh and Muzzin who you probably feel are more "popular" and you probably ignore the stuff you are trying to push onto Chiarot. Reality

 

[lamp9post]

Blues

Also Kings (prior to 2012 cup).

 

[lamp9post]

It's very rare for a team that didn't have recent playoff success to win the Cup out of nowhere. The playoffs are different and it takes experience in them to learn how to win playoff series. The odds are the Panthers won't win the Cup this year and then going forward they've made it harder to trade for what they need in the future.

It is rare for any team to with the cup. Chances are the best teams this season happen to include a lot of the best teams last season. That doesn't mean that a top-5 team that wasn't among top contenders last year doesn't have a shot at it this year.

These types of statistics are only true until they are not. Washington were playoff chokers...until they won the cup.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Blues

Went to the Conference Finals a few years prior.

The Kings are the counterexample you're looking for. 2 1st round exists and then a Cup.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Vatrano returned a 2022 4th. So no, its not Vatrano + 2022 4th in addition to Smilanic and 1st. Vatrano is a healthy scratch when the Panthers have a full lineup.

I didnt do the research if they moved the exact 4th they acquired but either way they traded a 4th.
I don't know why your so defensive over it.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

extreme long shot for sure but any team is a few injuries away from having a season go south. Lottery maybe not but late teens or early 20s instead of late 1st rounder is for sure possible.

anything is possible but I wouldnt expect much. even with key injuries FLA is good enough to get by

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm here to apologize to Habs fans for mocking them and insisting they wouldn't get a 1st rounder for Chairot. They did very well here.

Thank you for stepping up. Your a good man. Everyone one of us are wrong at times and I do value character when people admit it.

 

[Captain Mountain]

It's very rare for a team that didn't have recent playoff success to win the Cup out of nowhere. The playoffs are different and it takes experience in them to learn how to win playoff series. The odds are the Panthers won't win the Cup this year and then going forward they've made it harder to trade for what they need in the future.

This probably why they went after a player that logged heavy minutes en route to a cup final last year and why they're heavily pursuing Giroux, who has a ton of playoff experience.

 

[HuGo Sham]

there's obviously an emotional component to this for Zito. he said as much during presser; they did their due diligence, they paid attention to habs winning 4 rounds in the last two years with him and he moved forward on the leadership intangibles and eye-test. panthers haven't won a round in 26 years. I know chiarot said he'd welcome going back to habs as a UFA, but i don't think it happens. Habs have 2 players like him in savard and Edmundson already signed to term with guhle and possibly harris coming.
Maybe he resigns with Fla, but i don't know their cap situation

 

[biblihockey]

You just don't like him but he's earned that 20-23 min per game by actually playing. You need to look a little more without some pre determined outcome. I'm assuming you think top 4D should be more offensive which is the real flaw that many fans have.

Go target guys like Macdonagh and Muzzin who you probably feel are more "popular" and you probably ignore the stuff you are trying to push onto Chiarot. Reality

No sorry, i do not want either Muzzin or McDonagh. Not all the 4d, but at least one offensive D in the top 4 would be nice. We'll see what happen

 

[SatanicToedrag]

Maybe he resigns with Fla, but i don't know their cap situation

It's pretty rough going forward. Any hope of resigning Chiarot starts with getting Hörnqvist off the books. If that doesn't work out, there's no way we can fit him in.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No sorry, i do not want either Muzzin or McDonagh. Not all the 4d, but at least one offensive D in the top 4 would be nice. We'll see what happen

What team do you cheer for? Panthers? You talking about none of your guys are offensive? I think Ekblad is doing fine if you are talking about the Panthers.

Compare your strategy to Tampa's D (which is the best in the NHL). You may think that Sergachev put up points but he really didn't in the playoffs. Ekblad is not Hedman but when he's on his game, he's effective at both ends. Panthers D might not be like Tampa but by adding Chiarot, it's competitive.

What do you want? Avs D style or Tampa's?

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Florida traded for Chiarot but paid Weber's price.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's pretty rough going forward. Any hope of resigning Chiarot starts with getting Hörnqvist off the books. If that doesn't work out, there's no way we can fit him in.

15 players signed with about $4M in cap space (if the cap is $82M). I'm thinking Chiarot gets around what Risto just got ($5M +/-) and Hornqvist is at $5.3M. Lets say you can move Hornqvist but who's going to take that on without sending a contract back? Everybody is saying the Coyotes but you are not the only team looking to dump a contract to save cap space.

For example purpose, lets say you move Hornqvist but take back someone around $2.5M. Saving about $2.8M. 15 players signed with $6.8M. Lets say Chiarot signs for $4.5M. That's 16 players signed with $2M in cap space. Still 6 or 7 guys to sign. It's not possible cause there is a min contract in the NHL.

From what I see, you can't afford Chiarot and you have to try to move Hornqvist and take little cap hit back as possible (somehow). You are basically going to have to find 7 or 8 guys with about $6M - $7M in cap space after you move Hornqvist.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Florida traded for Chiarot but paid Weber's price.

Chiarot was more effective than Weber in recent seasons. Weber over the last two years was smart enough to survive but his foot speed was horrible and he caused a lot of turnovers when he was smothered by the other teams forecheck. Chiarot was the mobile one on that pairing believe it or not. Disagree? You are basically saying you don't watch the games and trying to play expert but it's more like being ignorant (lack of knowledge)

 

[Pantherfan12]

It's very rare for a team that didn't have recent playoff success to win the Cup out of nowhere. The playoffs are different and it takes experience in them to learn how to win playoff series. The odds are the Panthers won't win the Cup this year and then going forward they've made it harder to trade for what they need in the future.

Where are you getting your odds, and what are the exact odds? Since Zito took over, this isn’t the Panthers everyone knows and hates. This team is legit. Every single commentator for the NHL said the Panthers/Tampa series was the best last season, and we were the toughest team for Tampa. We then added Montour,Reinhart, Bennett, lindbolm (he looks good so far) and now Chairot (possibly Giroux) We’ve gotten even tougher, more scoring ability, better D, and our goaltenders have improved. You’re correct about our playoff past, but I think you’re totally wrong about our Cup chances. I can see a Panthers/Avs Cup final.

 

[FerrisRox]

Getting Petry for a 2nd must count, but that was in 2015 as I recall.

Bergevein's two biggest deadline pick ups were Thomas Vanek and Jeff Petry. Both players I fully expected to be dealt for a 1st rounder and in both cases the top pick going back was a 2nd rounder.

It was particularly surprising in the case of Vanek, because the Islanders, earlier that year, had dealt Matt Moulson along with a 1st and a 2nd to get him, and then they ended up swapping him to the Habs for a 2nd rounder and Sebastian Collberg.

Unfortunately, Michel Therriern was coaching the Canadiens at the time and had no clue what do with Vanek and made all kinds of idiotic decisions in terms of ice time and line mates for him in the playoffs, so the good fortune of getting him at such a nice price was largely squandered.

 

[FerrisRox]

41 pages for a legendary Eklund trade is disappointing. Should be 82 pages by now.

Many of the people that were regular posters in the Chiarot trade threads the last few months are strangely absent from this one.

So odd that they were so eager and so opinionated about Chiarot when there were threads about him being traded and now they have nothing to say at all after he's been dealt.

It's a real mystery.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

Well the Panthers better win the cup now. There is no other options with the maneuvers they are making. I hate being put in the spot, because the likelihood of that happening for any team in any given year, is low.

 

[Panthaz89]

Seems like a big overpay.