I just don't see how this isn't really good for Florida. It's not like anyone expects Jones to come in and be the best defenseman. He's just a top-4 guy.
As a TB fan, I am not thrilled.
As a TB fan, I am not thrilled.
Confirmed Trade: [FLA/CHI] Seth Jones (26.3% retained; $7M AAV) and 2026 4th round pick for Spencer Knight and 2026 1st round pick
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Not to mention when players do this it lowers the cost for the teams are that are acquiring the player, since there is no bidding up. Once you know what the unit other interested party is offering the. You don’t have to keep raising the price.
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Haha i like how other teams now do it because of vegas, what a can of worms.
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We have 17mil coming off the books next year (Rantanen, McCabe,Anthansiou, Kurashev, Martinez, Smith, Donato, Maroon) and an additional 28mil coming off the year after (Dickinson, Foligno, Mikheyev, Murphy, Brodie Brossoit, Mrazek) and 6 mil in open cap now.
Thats 51-80 million to pay Bedard 10-12mil, Knights RFA, and Nazar a bridge contract no other big internal signings just a lot of ELCs. Which is a sad sad thing but cap is zero issue for years to come.
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Will see how Toronto responds. If that was the price for Jones, Treliving should have been in on it. Jones would have put their team over the top.
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I don't recall seeing it mentioned on here, but according to Pat Boyle (the main guy doing the Hawks' intermission shows for CHSN), Jones was only willing to waive for the Panthers and the Stars, with the Stars saying they weren't interested in him. Also, Boyle said that Jones' public comments pissed off a lot of people in the organization, including some teammates. It got so bad that Anders Sorenson (interim coach) had to have a talk with Jones after the comments were made.
It would have been an extremely toxic locker room if he stayed for the remainder of the season considering, yet only one of the two teams he was willing to move to even wanted him. The guy was more or less forcing the Hawks to trade him now, retaining as much as was necessary for one of those teams to bite and getting as little of a return as possible, with only two weeks or so before the trade deadline.
Hawks got lucky that Florida was as interested in him as they were. Only having to retain $2.5m per and getting back Knight and a 1st is doing damn good considering the position we were in.
It would have been an extremely toxic locker room if he stayed for the remainder of the season considering, yet only one of the two teams he was willing to move to even wanted him. The guy was more or less forcing the Hawks to trade him now, retaining as much as was necessary for one of those teams to bite and getting as little of a return as possible, with only two weeks or so before the trade deadline.
Hawks got lucky that Florida was as interested in him as they were. Only having to retain $2.5m per and getting back Knight and a 1st is doing damn good considering the position we were in.
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A) they could have made this trade even without ltir
B) we all saw how injured Tkachuk was at the 4nations
Nobody is questioning whether Tkachuk is injured.
What people have a problem with is the belief that he'd probably be "ready to go" sometime before the season ends, but they hold him out for cap shenanigans.
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Maybe they will hold him out till then
But I doubt Florida will go crazy and add something expensive with that cap hit
It more like gives them some breathing space and move cap around if/when he’s ready to come back
C) they made the trade and limited their cap space to 500k
D) they know their opponents are gonna make moves so they had to figure out a way to make more moves than just adding jones. They need more
E) Tkachuk has plenty of time to get ready and will be despite the panthers exaggerating his injury forecast and everybody eating it up. If you don’t think so…put down a nice bet that Tkachuk won’t be ready for the 1st round
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These players with fathers who were pro athletes themselves really know how to grab the reins of their career with key media comments when needed. Tkachuk leaving Calgary, Jones leaving Chicago...
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Yeah, he injured himself on porpoise
They did make the trade without using LTIR. Trade was completed first
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I don't know - when Tkachuk left, he did his best to make sure Calgary got as much as they could for him: it wasn't his fault that they signed terrible deals afterwards. And from what I can tell, a lot of Calgary fans still like him - he never bad-mouthed the team that I recall. Of course, Calgary was never as awful as Chicago has been the last few years but I can't say that Seth Jones' comments about his team didn't bother me. I'm sure that Jones has been a whipping boy for Chicago's woes for the last few years, and his bad contract was never his fault - but there's probably at least a bit of truth in what Hawk fans say about his character.
On the other hand, Jones doesn't have to be a leader, or even particularly likeable, in Florida - he just has to play to his considerable talents and play hard as a 3rd/4th defenseman and I think he can do that. In a bad market, he was probably the best option we had to win now and over the next few years. And we have been pretty good at rehabilitating "distressed assets", particularly D, so hope he refinds his game and motivation over here.
However, for me, I actually think we really do need to resign both Bennett and Ekblad - as flawed as they both can be. We need that snarl that they both provide to get us through the tough times, like losing three games in a row in the SC finals... And as talented as Jones is, by all accounts, he's not that guy.
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Apparently, Jones was only willing to go to Florida or Dallas, and Dallas couldn't make it work under the salary cap going forward. When the facts chance, likewise I need to change my opinion. You're right @Dread Clawz -- Chicago did well with this trade considering there was only one buyer in the market.
MMC
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Was coming here to echo this same sentiment, he is going into what will be a fantastic role - surrounded by a bunch of vets playing meaningful games down the stretch where he doesn't have to be THE guy - and overall the cost from Florida to acquire him seems reasonable, if not cheap. I was hoping a third party could help potentially drag him to Tampa via retention, but here we are.
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I cannot wait until Seth does something galactically stupid in a not-too-distant future game 7.
Yeah, everyone is doing it now. First Chicago did it a bit, then Tampa blatantly did it and the league let it go. Now Stone has a solid gold LTIR vip pass.
Not a shot at Florida.
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Personally see this as a great trade for both teams. Chicago gets a future goalie, 1st, and out of a old vet contract. Florida gets a top2-4 defenseman who is looking to rebound and compete for a cup. Florida is mortgaging their future to compete in their cup window as their core ages.
Teams have been doing it since LTIR salary was alllowed to not count against the cap . The penguins did it too, the bruins did it too, the Kings did it too, and every other serious contender does it. If you dont do it then you are just not trying to win and play within the rules.
Some of you are such babies. He got you good pieces. Let it go lmao.
Florida won the cup last year with none of this. Simmer down lmao.
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To be fair he is always miserable on our board with nothing positive to say about anything ever.
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