Confirmed Trade: [FLA/CHI] Seth Jones (26.3% retained; $7M AAV) and 2026 4th round pick for Spencer Knight and 2026 1st round pick

[izzy]

Good for Seth Jones

Guy's been on bad teams his whole career

Pretty much, tho that columbus team was kind of good until everyone decided to leave

 

[LokiDog]

Fully anticipating a career revival from Jones now. Not being “the guy”, cap hit of 7.125 instead of 9.5, being asked mostly to be an offensive catalyst now on a strong offensive team. Something to play for. I’m guessing he looks revived.

 

[PBPantherfan]

Pretty much, tho that columbus team was kind of good until everyone decided to leave

Pretty sure they all left because he was a locker room cancer and they couldn’t stand being around him.

 

[PaulD]

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Ekblad Jones swap would be hilarious

Ekblad , Forsling , Jones as a top 3 sounds pretty good if you're a Panthers fan.

Has to be Ekblad going if Jones is coming in

Subban for Weber? Not this time.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Fully anticipating a career revival from Jones now. Not being “the guy”, cap hit of 7.125 instead of 9.5, being asked mostly to be an offensive catalyst now on a strong offensive team. Something to play for. I’m guessing he looks revived.

 

[LokiDog]

Bitter exes are the worst kinds. Blackhawks fans have every right to say good riddance and think Jones is cooked. But acting like this isn’t the perfect scenario for a player in Jones’ shoes to have a career revival is silly. There’s practically a script to these kinds of things. Look at OEL after having to be bought out. Been solid, revived his career in Florida.

 

[ole ole]

Woof! At least we won last year and have a team worth talking about. I'll leave you the counting details to you.

Glad yo got to celebrate your ONE cup. Woof How's that for counting.

 

[67 others]

Glad yo got to celebrate your ONE cup. Woof How's that for counting.

Unless the cup happened in the last decade, it's not really relevant to the team that's on the ice these days.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Well, tell me why I’m wrong. It’s one thing to call somebody’s opinion stupid, it’s another thing to actually dispute my points.

You’ve already been told how and why you are wrong by multiple people. Why on earth should I waste the energy when you can’t even put any energy into reading people’s responses to your intellectually damaged posts.

Glad yo got to celebrate your ONE cup. Woof How's that for counting.

Tell us more about all the cups you saw in the 1950s grandpa.

 

[PBPantherfan]

Glad yo got to celebrate your ONE cup. Woof How's that for counting.

More than the Habs have done in the last 30 years.

 

[Catscountry40]

Tkachuk doing the Kucherov special.

Knight was making 4.5 million and they were like 2 under already.

Any money spent now would be LTIR freed money.

 

[StreetHawk]

Personally, I'd rather Jones than Ekblad. Not to knock the guy as he brings things to the table, but I wouldn't re-sign Ekblad to his current average. His shot isn't what it used to be, everyone knows he's slow, he loses board battles regularly, and takes too many penalties because of that. Not saying I dislike him, but he needs a babysitter like Forsling.

Agree it’s tough to tie up a retention spot for 5 years, but IMO the retention itself is almost completely inconsequential. Hawks are going to struggle to meet the cap floor in the short term. The last year might be iffy, but based on the cap projections the cap could be close to 120M.

The other Club would need to have a bad contract for multiple years like 3 years left to not want retention.
Dumping a $5 mill contract with 1 year left wasn’t going to work.

 

[Voight]

People are praising Chicago for their return on Jones. But, does this make them a better team in the long-run? If not, how was that a good return? They also paid two high first round picks to get Jones in the first place.

Chicago gets potentially nothing. A late first round pick 1-2 years from now and a goalie that might be decent.

Chicago needs goaltending for sure. (They foolishly passed on Trey Augustine in favor of Adam Gajan btw). But, Knight is a wildcard.

They also need depth on defense. Was Jones worth 9.5? No. But who else was going to get that money on Chicago’s roster? The guy is playing 24 hard minutes a night. Chicago has nobody to replace him.


I’d like to hear one good decision he has made. He’s been brutal.

Why was that foolish? Neither have played in the NHL yet. Sure Augustine has looked good in college, but tons of guys have had great stats in college or the CHL and then done nothing in the NHL. Gajan is also in his rookie college year, so lots of time for him to develop.

Regardless both guys are 20 years old, turning 21 this year. It's a little short sighted to say it was foolish of them to pass on Augustine and go for Gajan instead.

 

[MichaelFarrell]

Why was that foolish? Neither have played in the NHL yet. Sure Augustine has looked good in college, but tons of guys have had great stats in college or the CHL and then done nothing in the NHL. Gajan is also in his rookie college year, so lots of time for him to develop.

Regardless both guys are 20 years old, turning 21 this year. It's a little short sighted to say it was foolish of them to pass on Augustine and go for Gajan instead.

I said that somewhat in jest because I was so adamant about Augustine being the best goalie in the draft in his draft year. But, let’s talk about it seriously.

Gajan got drafted singularly for his play in the WJC. He was drafted out of the NAHL and played a tandem role on that team. He’s not big for a goalie either. It made no sense to draft him over Augustine or Hrabal. Those goalies are tearing it up as most people predicted they would.

I don’t want to make this a full blown discussion in this thread. But, I think the Blackhawks overthink a ton of their draft picks.

 

[ColbyChaos]

I said that somewhat in jest because I was so adamant about Augustine being the best goalie in the draft in his draft year. But, let’s talk about it seriously.

Gajan got drafted singularly for his play in the WJC. He was drafted out of the NAHL and played a tandem role on that team. He’s not big for a goalie either. It made no sense to draft him over Augustine or Hrabal. Those goalies are tearing it up as most people predicted they would.

I don’t want to make this a full blown discussion in this thread. But, I think the Blackhawks overthink a ton of their draft picks.

You made a long winded post how they should have kept Seth Jones and trading him was bad yet you want to say someone else is overthinking things? LOL

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Jones will be the #1 defenseman within a year. The Florida system led by the coach is 90% of the success and he will fit right in.

 

[mouser]

This has so much value, not sure it can be justified with any trade. Five years?!?! That should be worth two firsts at least if not more. Knight is legit though and I guess Chicago really wanted to move Jones.

In a vacuum, yes $13m+ retained by a 3rd party team would be worth somewhere around two 1st round picks.

But Chicago isn’t a 3rd party team. And that vacuum additional value for retention assumes the player (Jones) has neutral value at the full $9.5m cap hit. I think most people would agree Jones hasn’t performed to the level of his $9.5m cap hit, and thus had negative value at $9.5m.

Feel free to debate exactly how much negative value Jones had at $9.5m AAV, then deduct that negative value from the value of Chicago’s $2.5m retention.

 

[TotalHomer]

In a vacuum, yes $13m+ retained by a 3rd party team would be worth somewhere around two 1st round picks.

But Chicago isn’t a 3rd party team. And that vacuum additional value for retention assumes the player (Jones) has neutral value at the full $9.5m cap hit. I think most people would agree Jones hasn’t performed to the level of his $9.5m cap hit, and thus had negative value at $9.5m.

Feel free to debate exactly how much negative value Jones had at $9.5m AAV, then deduct that negative value from the value of Chicago’s $2.5m retention.

I don't think he would have negative value even at 9.5M going forward with the cap skyrocketing. I understand he hasn't played up to his contract so far but that's in the past. Maybe the first two years in Florida he would've been overpaid by a million or so until the cap goes to 110M. Not sure if two firsts is the real value of the retention but I definitely think it's worth more than a single first rounder.

But I look at it more from the perspective that Jones controlling his destiny and with how cap constrained contending teams are, Chicago needed to eat a significant sum in any trade involving him just to facilitate a trade.

 

[ole ole]

You’ve already been told how and why you are wrong by multiple people. Why on earth should I waste the energy when you can’t even put any energy into reading people’s responses to your intellectually damaged posts.


Tell us more about all the cups you saw in the 1950s grandpa.

And 60;s 70.s 80.s 90;s Enjoy your 1 cup.

 

[ColbyChaos]

And 60;s 70.s 80.s 90;s Enjoy your 1 cup.

How many of those did you even see lmao.

Also not even a Florida fan just think its funny how you are trying to call another organization bad when they have a cup in the last 30 years the Habs do not. Habs got bent over Tampa and got blown out in their other conference championship appearences (even then they had no shot against Chicago-San Jose and Chicago-LA)

Your team trotted out David Desharnais as its number one center and you want to claim they were a contender making noise? The Habs wasted Price's career with terrible forwards all throughout the 2010s and you are out here trying to say they have been better the last 30 years compared to Florida who has been to the finals 3 times and actually won a cup? Sit down leave the talking to the adults before you embarass yourself again.

 

[Theodore450]

Fantastic trade for Florida tbh

 

[StreetHawk]

This has so much value, not sure it can be justified with any trade. Five years?!?! That should be worth two firsts at least if not more. Knight is legit though and I guess Chicago really wanted to move Jones.

It's 25% of the cap charge. SJ retained like 33% of Burns for 3 seasons. Jones basically checked out of Chi. Had to move him. nmc so he controlled the destination. If Dal was the other option, limited in what you can do. I think phi retained 50% for Hayes for 3 years which is how badly the wanted out from him.

chi needed to move on.

 

[Mogo]

Glad yo got to celebrate your ONE cup. Woof How's that for counting.

You guys have 1 cup since they invented curved sticks

 

[FinlandPanther]

And 60;s 70.s 80.s 90;s Enjoy your 1 cup.

This isnt the brag you think it is lmao. It’s pathetic you have to go back that far when there was like 4 other teams lmao

 

[TheFinalWord]

This isnt the brag you think it is lmao. It’s pathetic you have to go back that far when there was like 4 other teams lmao

It's so sad that every thread, every post you go to the weakest flex possible...."we won a cup...we won a cup". Congrats. What was your contribution? Just a few years ago and Florida was the joke of the league. Enjoy your window...it never lasts very long...and soon you'll be the one at the end of some other idiot's posts about 'not having won since dinosaurs walked around'. Really, so lame.