Post-Game Talk: FLA 3 - VAN 1 | Oh we're bad again.

[IntangiBo]

The defense on this team is a joke.


Sbisa is a trainwreck, and should not be only on any team looking to make the playoffs and do damage there.

Weber is passable as a bottom pairing puck mover, but gets overpowered easily.

Stanton is passable as a bottom pairing stay at home dman.

Bieksa unfortunately is no longer a top 4 dman, too.

Our highest scoring dman Edler has a grand total of 13 pts. vomit, he even hogs all the pp time in the world. Thats disgusting.


Edler-Tanev
Hamhuis - x
Stanton - Bieksa

Get a top 4 dman.

or in an ideal world.

x- Tanev
Hamhuis- x
Stanton - x

Edler is not a true #1.

Not many teams have a true #1, whatever that is.

I'd like to see Sanguinetti get a shot if we aren't making a move. In January rather than April.

 

[ahmon]

Not many teams have a true #1, whatever that is.

I'd like to see Sanguinetti get a shot if we aren't making a move. In January rather than April.

True but thats why its so hard to win the cup.

It depends what your expectation is, if you are satisfy just to watch hockey and cheer then its fine.

If you are happy if the canucks just make the playoffs and lose early then yeah we dont need that #1 dman.

If you want the canucks to have a good chance to go deep in the playoffs. The team is not built correctly. And the defense is a mess.

Same as the forwards. Its all depending on two declining SEdins.

 

[TheWanderer]

I guess it's Corrado we have up, now. Sbisa needs to ride the pine for at least one game after that horrible performance.

 

[IntangiBo]

True but thats why its so hard to win the cup.

It's hard to win the Cup for several reasons. It usually starts with goaltending.

 

[Ryp37]

Can Willie man up and bench taters boy Sbisa

 

[biturbo19]

True but thats why its so hard to win the cup.

It depends what your expectation is, if you are satisfy just to watch hockey and cheer then its fine.

If you are happy if the canucks just make the playoffs and lose early then yeah we dont need that #1 dman.

If you want the canucks to have a good chance to go deep in the playoffs. The team is not built correctly. And the defense is a mess.

Same as the forwards. Its all depending on two declining SEdins.

So what do you do about it? Where do you find that great and legendary "true #1 defenceman" to take the team to the promised land?

They're ****ing hard to find.

 

[TheWanderer]

I hope so. Getting sick of watching Sbisa out there. He has one passable game for every four bad ones.

No better than AHLberts.

 

[thepuckmonster]

So what do you do about it? Where do you find that great and legendary "true #1 defenceman" to take the team to the promised land?

They're ****ing hard to find.

There's a lot of luck in winning a Stanley Cup too. There's no true "winning formula", having certain pieces can get you far but it's hard to deal with luck. Luck of injuries (either your team or the opponent), luck of a goaltender getting hot, a scorer getting hot.

Systems get you damn close but its luck that takes you the rest of the way.

 

[polarbearcub]

I gave Sbisa rope but I'm at the end of it. The guy is An utter train wreck in his own end.

What I noticed the most is his decision making is terrible. He throws pucks back to players who are already covered and in trouble.

 

[ahmon]

So what do you do about it? Where do you find that great and legendary "true #1 defenceman" to take the team to the promised land?

They're ****ing hard to find.

yes they are, but looking at the defense corps of previous cup winners and its clear thats a key component.

1. Either tank and draft one:

2015 draft:

Jeremy Roy
Zach Werenski
Noah Hanifin
Kylington

I think Roy has that Drew Doughty potential.

2. Trade for a young one with potential.
3. When we get close to be a contender, we can use 1st rounds picks to trade for a star. Unfortunately we have too many holes on the team.

This team simply needs to tank and stock picks. Its the fastest and most efficient way to build the next core.

 

[thepuckmonster]

yes they are, but looking at the defense corps of previous cup winners and its clear thats a key component.

1. Either tank and draft one:

2015 draft:

Jeremy Roy
Zach Werenski
Noah Hanifin
Kylington

I think Roy has that Drew Doughty potential.

2. Trade for a young one with potential.
3. When we get close to be a contender, we can use 1st rounds picks to trade for a star. Unfortunately we have too many holes on the team.

This team simply needs to tank and stock picks. Its the fastest and most efficient way to build the next core.

Benning has said that he's not trading any picks and is actively looking to acquire more. At this point in the season there's no way we're tanking. It's one thing to be a bad *either in coaching or in roster* and just suck to a good pick (see last year), but actively losing leaves a stench on a team that's hard to shake. That's why the recent Oilers' players have talked about the attitudes in the room, or in Toronto about how the team only has players that play the way they want.

There's gems to be had in every round. Early on we seem to have found one in Forsling but time will tell.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

I gave Sbisa rope but I'm at the end of it. The guy is An utter train wreck in his own end.

What I noticed the most is his decision making is terrible. He throws pucks back to players who are already covered and in trouble.

It amuses me.

 

[Canucks LB]

Sbisa is maddening. The guy has the tools to be a damn good NHL defenseman, but his hockey IQ is some of the worst I have seen in nearly a decade.

 

[ahmon]

There's a lot of luck in winning a Stanley Cup too. There's no true "winning formula", having certain pieces can get you far but it's hard to deal with luck. Luck of injuries (either your team or the opponent), luck of a goaltender getting hot, a scorer getting hot.

Systems get you damn close but its luck that takes you the rest of the way.

There is a bit of luck in everything. But its crazy to say its all about luck.

The winning formula is to have the best team, best coach, and your chance to win will be highest. It is never 100%.

Looking at the past cup winners, and their defense:

2014 -LA

Muzzin- Doughty
Mitchell- Voynov
Regehr - Greene

2013 - Chi

Keith - Seabrook
Hammer- Oduya
Leddy

2012 - LA

Regehr - Doughty
Mitchell - Voynov


2011 - BOS

Chara - Seidenberg
Ference - Boychuk

2010 - Chi

Keith - Seabrook
Hammer - Campbell

Its not JUST luck. Its mainly talent (personnel), coaching. And then its a bit luck, matchups.

 

[TheWanderer]

Well when you look at a team like the Nashville predators, you see how Shea Weber has carried that team since he started playing on it in spite of a complete lack of forwards.

When you look at it that way, you really start to wonder just how valuable these types of players are.

What would make more sense is if you look at which teams may be in a position to trade one of these players. 9/10 times, it's because they are no longer a contender and they need to move this player to facilitate an OVERHAUL. Then you dump futures down their throat until they give them to you, and some roster players to cover the cap. Other times, you're gambling on a youngster - like if we had have successfully traded up for Ekblad. The price is lower, but **** can hit the fan. To draft your own usually means tanking. Once in a while, it means getting luck. I don't think any of our current D-prospects are going to make sudden progress that puts them anywhere near that kind of level.

Think of what it would cost this team to trade for one of these guys:

Horvat/Virtanen + a 1st + Jensen/Shinkaruk/etc + Higgins/Burrows + either one of our goalie prospects or one of our better D prospects.

Then you have to think... how many of these players are replaceable throughout the organization. Well, you might be able to entice FA's to sign if you have Sedins, Vrbata, [DMAN], Edler - Tanev kind of thing going... you know...


If this is a player you are securing for hopefully the remainder of his career, then you really have to look at this hefty price and think - it's probably worth it.

 

[Zombotron]

yes they are, but looking at the defense corps of previous cup winners and its clear thats a key component.

1. Either tank and draft one:

2015 draft:

Jeremy Roy
Zach Werenski
Noah Hanifin
Kylington

I think Roy has that Drew Doughty potential.

2. Trade for a young one with potential.
3. When we get close to be a contender, we can use 1st rounds picks to trade for a star. Unfortunately we have too many holes on the team.

This team simply needs to tank and stock picks. Its the fastest and most efficient way to build the next core.

Ivan Provorov.

 

[TheWanderer]

Florida is going to be a very good team soon. I think Ekblad is what draws that team together. He's an 18yo ffs, and look at how he played out there. We couldn't get anything by him, and he drove Florida's offence.

Im jelly.

 

[thepuckmonster]

Well when you look at a team like the Nashville predators, you see how Shea Weber has carried that team since he started playing on it in spite of a complete lack of forwards.

When you look at it that way, you really start to wonder just how valuable these types of players are.

What would make more sense is if you look at which teams may be in a position to trade one of these players. 9/10 times, it's because they are no longer a contender and they need to move this player to facilitate an OVERHAUL. Then you dump futures down their throat until they give them to you, and some roster players to cover the cap. Other times, you're gambling on a youngster - like if we had have successfully traded up for Ekblad. The price is lower, but **** can hit the fan. To draft your own usually means tanking. Once in a while, it means getting luck. I don't think any of our current D-prospects are going to make sudden progress that puts them anywhere near that kind of level.

Think of what it would cost this team to trade for one of these guys:

Horvat/Virtanen + a 1st + Jensen/Shinkaruk/etc + Higgins/Burrows + either one of our goalie prospects or one of our better D prospects.

Then you have to think... how many of these players are replaceable throughout the organization. Well, you might be able to entice FA's to sign if you have Sedins, Vrbata, [DMAN], Edler - Tanev kind of thing going... you know...


If this is a player you are securing for hopefully the remainder of his career, then you really have to look at this hefty price and think - it's probably worth it.

Weber was drafted in the second round, Nashville didn't tank to get him.

 

[TheWanderer]

Weber was drafted in the second round, Nashville didn't tank to get him.

Did I say they tanked?

 

[KeninsFan]

Really happy with how the fans treated Lu. The 2 points don't really matter this season.

 

[thepuckmonster]

Did I say they tanked?

No, I should have expanded on that, sorry. I agree with your standpoint, I just wanted to touch on the fact that a team doesn't have to tank to find that kind of talent.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

The only thing I really hated in this game was the absolute lack of ****ing urgency by the Sedins once more at times. That and trying to one time it for the high defender is just asked for a SHG. This isn't exactly a recent thing either...



Another huge chance to come back if we go cross-crease on those ones, however pinball it may seem. It's hard to score on the high one time play and more likely for shorthanded chance the over way.

It's like going for the 2 point conversion when kicking a field goal would do just as much good.

 

[TheWanderer]

No, I should have expanded on that, sorry. I agree with your standpoint, I just wanted to touch on the fact that a team doesn't have to tank to find that kind of talent.

Well, in fairness I did say there's tanking, or just getting lucky. Weber, Chara, that's what I'm referring to. (Or there is being handed the draft lottery like Chicago)

 

[ahmon]

Benning has said that he's not trading any picks and is actively looking to acquire more. At this point in the season there's no way we're tanking. It's one thing to be a bad *either in coaching or in roster* and just suck to a good pick (see last year), but actively losing leaves a stench on a team that's hard to shake. That's why the recent Oilers' players have talked about the attitudes in the room, or in Toronto about how the team only has players that play the way they want.

There's gems to be had in every round. Early on we seem to have found one in Forsling but time will tell.

Yes I like the Forsling pick. And I like how Benning is smart enough not to trade our 1st. This team is simply not good enough to trade 1st rounders for a cup push.

Edmonton and Toronto failed to rebuild does not mean its the rule. Pittsburg, Chicago and to a certain extent LA are mostly riding their sucesses on top 5 picks.

If we can find elite players in the later rounds, sure. But our scouting is barely average.

When the sedins hang it up, we are done. If we tank and trade the vets at the deadline, at least we can stock pile more picks.

Vrbata for a 1st hopefully, higgins, bieksa, all need to go.

Ideally, the twins too.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

That was a vomit-worthy performance...

Sedin line was only good in the first period, and were terrible on D the whole game.
Second line was useless, no matter its iteration, in large part because of how wretched Bonino was this game.
Third line was probably our best overall, but some individual stupidity on a few plays by any 3rd liner not named Richardson...
Fourth line was a non-factor. Dorsett was too little too late to start mixing things up. He seems to have extended his holidays, as he has largely been a non-factor since the new year. Horvat may need to sit a game - but he's the only guy on this team who can reliably take face-offs.

Edler - Tanev were good overall; thrown entirely under the bus by the forwards.
Bieksa was playing Kasual, once again, and Stanton was way over his head trying to cover for him.
Weber was good, Sbisa was absolute hot garbage. Corrado, please.

Miller was decent. Our team defence was appalling.


Main criticism of the team's play in this game - in either zone - was their inability to make a successful stick-to-stick pass. Nothing but one-timing everything off the boards; in the d zone, the neutral zone, and on the attack. Credit here goes to Vey and Kassian, as they are the only players who could put some passes together tonight.

This team needs a center who can win face-offs. Bonino needs to rest or something; he can barely move out there, and his skill with the puck is completely AWAL.


Oh well... on to the next game.................

Bolded: Hell yes. It's so frustrating to watch. I dunno, I'm hoping the flu or the mumps or something is going through the team to explain this.

Also getting sick of playing 4 guys on the backend who are at best bottom-pairing guys at this point.

And I just don't get how everyone on this team can forget how to win faceoffs.