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Proposal: Fix Detroit’s depth!

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nbwingsfan said:
Sure, but he’s struggled to stay healthy and just doesn’t really have great offensive skills.

He’ll likely be an invaluable part of the Wings as a grinder who tries harder than anyone else on the ice, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he never hits 40pts, never mind in his rookie season
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Probably depends on his positioning. If they throw him on the Top 6 to be a disturber and create space for linemates, he probably could. But if they use him as a bottom 6 grinder, not likely.
 
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I never felt like the pieces were fully there for some of the UFA singings they made to compliment the team. It seems like all it did was slightly bump them from having a better lotto chance, but not enough to be viewed as contenders.
 
Run the Jewels said:
Been a 94 point team since hiring McLellan (1.14 points per game). A 94 point season would mean 6 straight years of improved point totals/percentage of available points. That would also be the best point total since Jeff Blashhill's first season, after which the bottom fell out.

Core players:

Forwards:
Larkin (28) - DeBrincat (27)
Raymond (22) - Kasper (20)


Defense:
Edvinsson (22) -Seider (23)
ASP (20)

I agree with the OP that some scoring depth would be nice as would a top 4 LHD. With that being said, Detroit has the cap space to take a run at Marner. Not saying it's gonna happen, but if you can sign him and plug him into that second line with Raymond and Kasper scoring suddenly becomes less of a concern. You also have Danielson (20) and MBN (19) who could make the roster within the next 2 seasons.

Detroit has boatloads of cheap bottom six wingers:

Lombardi
Soderblom
Berggren
Ras
Mazur
Hanas

A top 4 LHD would be nice, but again they have prospects who will need to be given a shot or will need to go through waivers, guys like Wallinder, Buium (1 more year in GR is likely), and Albert Johansson. Then there's the fact I would not want to count on Detroit's NA amateur or pro scouts attempting to fill an important role like a top 4 D given their track record to date.

Fix your NA scouting first, see what you've got from your largely productive drafts, then fill openings through trades or free agency. Mitch Marner should be at the top of the list if he makes it to free agency.
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People keep calling Soderblom a bottom 6 forward. But he’s got 10 points in 23 games all 5v5, highest G60 in 5v5 and one of few forwards with >2 points per 60.
 
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They should hire a new GM who isn't the worst pro-scouter in the league ...

In all seriousness, they need probably a 3, 4, and 5D plus a 2w, 3w, 4w, and 4c? They should OS or trade for K'andre Miller. Could try to get Nick Roy or Nick Hague out of Vegas. I like Taylor Raddysh or Alex Iafallo as 3/4w options. Would've been helpful if a Matt Roy/Marcus Pettersson type was available in UFA but I think Provorov and Gavrikov will both price themselves out of that range
 
JohanFranzenstein said:
Forward depth can be solved in house. Buy out Tank and have Mazur and Shine start with the big club. Mazur can be that aggressive 40pt 3rd line guy, and Shine can be a 10-15 4th line grit guy.

Throw 5-7 at either Gavrikov or Provorov and have ASP start on the 3rd pair. Issues solved.
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If Gavrikov would sign for 5-7 the Kings would have already signed him. Guessing it will be north of 7 for sure.
 
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I hope OP got it off his chest, wiped the tears and moved on.

Nobody is going to trade us "depth" for "hot garbage".

Actually guys like Compher/Copp/Tarasenko *are* depth. These are not "replacement level" players, but rather middle-6 guys. I would say at least at forward Detroit in fact does have the proverbial depth, but lacks in gamebreaking talent. Still, F is at the level sufficient for 1st/2nd round playoffs forays, and Kasper/Soderblom and hopefully soon Danielsson will bump it further.

D and G is another story, but we simply do not have the assets to be trading for talent. It will have to be done through development and UFA market.
 
Run the Jewels said:
So did Jiří Hudler. Both players found a home on the third line.
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If only Soderblom was 5’10” so you actually had a point. Oh well guess you are wrong. Rookie big guy already scoring at a 0.5 ppg pace in his rookie season with limited ice time, sucks he won’t get worse with another preseason training adding more muscle to his big 6’8” frame but actually better.
 
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Ozakar said:
If only Soderblom was 5’10” so you actually had a point. Oh well guess you are wrong. Rookie big guy already scoring at a 0.5 ppg pace in his rookie season with limited ice time, sucks he won’t get worse with another preseason training adding more muscle to his big 6’8” frame but actually better.
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LOL, I wasn't comparing their size. It's truly funny you thought I was comparing their stature.

No Ozakar, I was comparing their TOI, position in the lineup, and point production up to this point in their careers, which actually favors Hudler. But sure, you know more than Steve Yzerman and Todd McLellan.

Have a nice day!
 
Run the Jewels said:
LOL, I wasn't comparing their size. It's truly funny you thought I was comparing their stature.

No Ozakar, I was comparing their TOI, position in the lineup, and point production up to this point in their careers, which actually favors Hudler. But sure, you know more than Steve Yzerman and Todd McLellan.

Have a nice day!
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Well looking at quanthockey Hudler had 8 points in his first 44 games. Soderblom has 18? Soderblom also get much more ice time. How can Hudler be ahead of Soderblom looking at ”TOI, position in the lineup, and point production up to this point in their careers”? Looks like two very different trajectories.

Are you in the head of Steve Yzerman and Todd McLellan? Are you talking to them right now?
 
Ozakar said:
Well looking at quanthockey Hudler had 8 points in his first 44 games. Soderblom has 18? Soderblom also get much more ice time. How can Hudler be ahead of Soderblom looking at ”TOI, position in the lineup, and point production up to this point in their careers”? Looks like two very different trajectories.

Are you in the head of Steve Yzerman and Todd McLellan? Are you talking to them right now?
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Nice pedantry. Super impressive.

Hudler's first full year was when he was 23.
Played 76 games
Generated 15g, 10a
Averages out to 0.2 goals per game and 0.13 assist per game
Played 10:02 minutes on a really good Red Wings team

Soderblom is 23 and has played the following amount
Played 44 games across 2 seasons
Generated 9g, 9a
Averages out to 0.2 goals per game and 0.2 assists per game
Plays 12:40 on a bad hockey team

This is a giant waste of my time. If it helps you save a bit of pride, you have proven that to this point Elmer generates 0.07 more assists per game than Jiří. Congratulations?

For the record, I am inferring that Todd McLellan plays Elmer Soberblom bottom 6 minutes based on the fact that Soberblom...wait for it...plays bottom 6 minutes. True sorcery, that.
 
Run the Jewels said:
Nice pedantry. Super impressive.

Hudler's first full year was when he was 23.
Played 76 games
Generated 15g, 10a
Averages out to 0.2 goals per game and 0.13 assist per game
Played 10:02 minutes on a really good Red Wings team

Soderblom is 23 and has played the following amount
Played 44 games across 2 seasons
Generated 9g, 9a
Averages out to 0.2 goals per game and 0.2 assists per game
Plays 12:40 on a bad hockey team

This is a giant waste of my time. If it helps you save a bit of pride, you have proven that to this point Elmer generates 0.07 more assists per game than Jiří. Congratulations?

For the record, I am inferring that Todd McLellan plays Elmer Soberblom bottom 6 minutes based on the fact that Soberblom...wait for it...plays bottom 6 minutes. True sorcery, that.
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So,the recap: Soderblom has a slightly better start to his career than Hudler. Hudler's career peaks as a 1st line player in Calgary.

What's the point you were trying to make again when you compared Soderblom and Hudler?
 
Run the Jewels said:
Nice pedantry. Super impressive.

Hudler's first full year was when he was 23.
Played 76 games
Generated 15g, 10a
Averages out to 0.2 goals per game and 0.13 assist per game
Played 10:02 minutes on a really good Red Wings team

Soderblom is 23 and has played the following amount
Played 44 games across 2 seasons
Generated 9g, 9a
Averages out to 0.2 goals per game and 0.2 assists per game
Plays 12:40 on a bad hockey team

This is a giant waste of my time. If it helps you save a bit of pride, you have proven that to this point Elmer generates 0.07 more assists per game than Jiří. Congratulations?

For the record, I am inferring that Todd McLellan plays Elmer Soberblom bottom 6 minutes based on the fact that Soberblom...wait for it...plays bottom 6 minutes. True sorcery, that.
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My pride is independent of what happens in this discussion. But I am uncertain if you have the humility to admit defeat when it’s almost embarrassingly obvious you are wrong.

The fair comparison is indeed Soderblom’s first 44 games which in fact is 18 points and Hudler’s first 44 games which in fact was 8 points.

Essentially by comparing ppg after 76 games with ppg after 44 games, you’re indirectly projecting Soderblom will only score 7 points in the remaining 76-44=32 games (pace 7/32=0.219. Because that’s the pace Soderblom needs to score at to equal Hudler’s trajectory otherwise the validity of your statement is false.

Since Soderblom had a ppg rate of 8/21=0,381 in 2022/2023 and 10/23=0,435 in 2024/2025, I think that’s unlikely. He is a rookie still learning the game and will improve even further, especially after a summer of training. Most likely he will outscore Hudler by 76 games played.
 
Ozakar said:
My pride is independent of what happens in this discussion. But I am uncertain if you have the humility to admit defeat when it’s almost embarrassingly obvious you are wrong.

The fair comparison is indeed Soderblom’s first 44 games which in fact is 18 points and Hudler’s first 44 games which in fact was 8 points.

Essentially by comparing ppg after 76 games with ppg after 44 games, you’re indirectly projecting Soderblom will only score 7 points in the remaining 76-44=32 games (pace 7/32=0.219. Because that’s the pace Soderblom needs to score at to equal Hudler’s trajectory otherwise the validity of your statement is false.

Since Soderblom had a ppg rate of 8/21=0,381 in 2022/2023 and 10/23=0,435 in 2024/2025, I think that’s unlikely. He is a rookie still learning the game and will improve even further, especially after a summer of training. Most likely he will outscore Hudler by 76 games played.
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Your pedantry is only surpassed by your desperate need to feel like you have an important point to make here. Sorry it didn’t work for you. There’s always next time!!
 
Run the Jewels said:
Your pedantry is only surpassed by your desperate need to feel like you have an important point to make here. Sorry it didn’t work for you. There’s always next time!!
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Well you were wrong and it’s been proven without a doubt that you were.

I’m sorry this hurt your pride and that you need to resort to childish name calling. Maybe next time you can act like an adult. Let’s hope you can!
 
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