The more I watch the Jets/Avs, the more angry I get watching Vilardi tearing up by putting points on the board and we are stuck with POS Debois. Blake should be fired right now and Luc can follow Blake out the door too.
Speculation: Fire Rob Blake Blow it Up Offseason Thread (update: Robitaille, Blake and Hiller stay)
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AbsentMojo
F-ing get up and hunt! Cmon Todd!
- Apr 18, 2018
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I got it. I just think Todd lacked that gene that would allow hiim to follow his instincts in the moment.. Otherwise a great coach by all standards and by getting hired 4 times... also a nice guy. But he really could not adjust for shit.
Agreed, he made minor slight adjustments, he wasn't adept at on the fly coaching by any stretch of the imagination
KingsOfCali25
Start up the Tank!
This organization thought they had everything as soon as the drafted Clarke. Everything after that went down hill. The traded for Arvidsson, then bought in on Danault, traded for Fiala then Gavrikov then PLD. They lost out on...
2nd round pick (Arvidsson)
3rd round pick (Arvidsson)
Faber
1st round pick (Fiala)
Vilardi
Iafallo
Kupari
2nd (Durzi)
Grans
Walker
Petersen
1st (Gavrikov)
2nd (Petersen)
Quick
3rd (Korpisalo)
And most importantly Cap space. Yes, Petersen's cap was a problem but nothing if you don't have Danault, Arvidsson, Fiala and Gavrikov.
You have plenty of people to move if you need too...Walker, Roy, Iafallo, Carter, Brown, Kopitar, Doughty, Quick.
You stick with the kids and wait on moving too quickly and don't pass up the 2-3 deep drafts especially one with franchise players in Bedard and company. Like knowing a prospect this good is coming along and you are a bad team, why move away from a chance at that kind of prospect?
2nd round pick (Arvidsson)
3rd round pick (Arvidsson)
Faber
1st round pick (Fiala)
Vilardi
Iafallo
Kupari
2nd (Durzi)
Grans
Walker
Petersen
1st (Gavrikov)
2nd (Petersen)
Quick
3rd (Korpisalo)
And most importantly Cap space. Yes, Petersen's cap was a problem but nothing if you don't have Danault, Arvidsson, Fiala and Gavrikov.
You have plenty of people to move if you need too...Walker, Roy, Iafallo, Carter, Brown, Kopitar, Doughty, Quick.
You stick with the kids and wait on moving too quickly and don't pass up the 2-3 deep drafts especially one with franchise players in Bedard and company. Like knowing a prospect this good is coming along and you are a bad team, why move away from a chance at that kind of prospect?
King'sPawn
Enjoy the chaos
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Always wary of the term "scorched earth." I think they should keep what they were doing from 2019-2021.
- Identify vets who are on board with a rebuild and pulling their weight. Trade those who aren't on board or want to go to a contender.
- Put youth in roles they are slotted to be in.
- Reevaluate development plans and procedures
- Establish a clear vision of the team you want and communicate that to the scouting staff (amateur and pro). I don't care if you want to grind out 1-0 or 9-8 wins. Just make sure the pieces fit so they can play a cohesive game. That includes the coaching staff.
This may come across scorched earth, but I just see it as righting the ship, regardless of who's running it.
- Identify vets who are on board with a rebuild and pulling their weight. Trade those who aren't on board or want to go to a contender.
- Put youth in roles they are slotted to be in.
- Reevaluate development plans and procedures
- Establish a clear vision of the team you want and communicate that to the scouting staff (amateur and pro). I don't care if you want to grind out 1-0 or 9-8 wins. Just make sure the pieces fit so they can play a cohesive game. That includes the coaching staff.
This may come across scorched earth, but I just see it as righting the ship, regardless of who's running it.
AbsentMojo
F-ing get up and hunt! Cmon Todd!
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Can we get this guy back at least as an advisor? What a beauty
Kingspiracy
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Dont send him here, wtf did we do to deserve him. Send him to Aussie, he can go and skate in the outback.
johnjm22
Pseudo Intellectual
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Me too. Going that route gives you the best shot at getting a McDavid/Mackinnon type player, but it can also destroy your franchise for more than a decade.
You have to land like 2 or 3 superstar players within only a few drafts.
Mackinnon 2013
Rantanen 2015
Makar 2017
Kopitar 2005
Quick 2005
Doughty 2008
Stamkos 2008
Hedman 2009
Kucherov 2011
MAF 2003
Malkin 2004
Crosby 2005
Toews 2006
Kane 2007
If you don't land some superstars within quick succession of one another, it's hard to get out of the cycle of suck.
Mattias
The friendly cat.
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I think it was the espn broadcast that twisted the knife into LA last night. During the intermission of the Vancouver game, highlights of the jets/Avs game were played.
The assist on Vilardi was shown and someone said “boy, couldn’t LA use someone like that right now?”
Then, he said it again.
kovacro
Uvijek Vjerni
Spot on. Had heard similar from someone who had played for him. Fantastic x's and o's guy and his game preparation was top notch, but the in game adjustments were lacking.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I am confused, you said you don't want to bottom out and be picking near the top for multiple years, but then listed 5 teams that did that and those teams have accounted for 11 of the last 15 Stanley Cups.
GBH loves to bring up the Buffalo's of the world as the reason not to do it, but never wants to answer the question as to which way leads to more Stanley Cup's, that way or the alternatives.
The next rebuild should not end until you have two legit franchise caliber young players at the NHL level who are capable of being the types of players you listed, because the numbers don't lie, that is what you need to win most years, and especially if you want sustained multi-year cup success.
Of the 14 players listed, 10 were taken with Top 4 picks. There sure seems to be a clear path to obtaining those types of players.
Sure in an ideal world you suck for a few years and end up with two superstars, that is possible, but what if you suck for 2-3 years and end up with Byfield, Turcotte and Clark as your high picks. That is where the Kings were in the summer of 2021, and instead of waiting it out for a couple of more years trying to find a crown jewel they just pulled the plug on trying to pick high, and it's worked out terribly.
There definitely is a high risk high reward type element in going full tank rebuild. And the risk IS high, no doubt about it.
I just don't see how this team gets to the top without it, unfortunately. I think a hybrid rebuild, like they did last time, could have worked had they executed better and had a bit more patience. However with Kopi and Drew being older I don't see that as something you try again.
I just don't see how this team gets to the top without it, unfortunately. I think a hybrid rebuild, like they did last time, could have worked had they executed better and had a bit more patience. However with Kopi and Drew being older I don't see that as something you try again.
Schrute farms
LA Kings: new GM wanted -- inquire within
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Seeing this all in one combined summary -- yikes/ouch. Hurts to see.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
King'sPawn
Enjoy the chaos
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Johnjm can speak for himself, but I was referring to going the scorched earth approach.
Colorado didn't trade away all the vets away to make a bad team. They just became bad organically. The biggest piece they traded away during their bad years was ROR, who just didn't want to be there. They kept old guard players like Foote.
Pittsburgh was poorly managed and operated on a lousy budget for years before winning the 2005 lottery.
Tampa Bay still had Lecavalier, St. Louis, Richards, and Prospal at the start of their 2007-08 season when they won the Stamkos lottery. And even at the trade deadline, only traded Richards and Prospal.
Chicago was also on a budget with Wirtz and just wouldn't spend money. They would have gone that route without the emergence of Kane and Toews to help elevate them. They didn't go scorched earth as much as just wanted to save money/generate as much of their own revenue as possible.
I don't think any of these teams qualify for the "scorched earth" approach. They either got rewarded for being cheap with their finances or they kept core players from the old guard even into the lottery.
Omni Owl
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Damn you have to respect a GM driving 6 hours just to go watch a prospect goalie, that's putting in work. Also DL looks extremely young here, shows how long ago that whole era was. You could definitely tell he was a scout for awhile.
johnjm22
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I didn't say that Herby.
I'm insinuating that it's high risk / high reward, and that you need land 2 or 3 superstars within about 4 drafts or else you can be setting yourself up for a decade long malaise.
That doesn't mean I'm opposed, just pointing out the risk.
And nowadays with the draft lottery it's more difficult. It increases the dependency on luck.
johnjm22
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Tampa Bay was also purchased by an incompetent movie producer who hired an ESPN analyst to be their head coach. This lead the team to being so bad that they got the 2OA pick (Victor Hedmen). Another example of a franchise being rewarded for incompetence.
All The Kings Men
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I would like to hear about this risk.
So why is it risky to full rebuild and have a chance of a better future vs a well know solution that isn't winning the cup as well?
Someone?
KINGS17
Smartest in the Room
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If BLuc has any honor they would self-immolate at the feet of Luc's statue. Now I would buy tickets for that one.
CowMix
Go Kings Go!
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So many fans in here that just love negativity so they can happily say I told you so if they are right or be happily surprised if they are wrong. Same people I was arguing with saying Byfield is bust last year are saying blow up the team. Also the same people I was arguing with of Kopitar is good enough to be a #1 center, Brown isn't a good enough caption before the team went on a cup run in 2012. You guys can continue to wallow here in your misery or we can actually let the playoffs play themselves before we talk about the off-season.
CowMix
Go Kings Go!
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What the same people that we were predicting we would get swept? Oh look we won in game 2
Nah they need some tough love. The media that surrounds them is very soft. A narrative that the world thinks they suck and have no chance is something to rally around.
Doughty was bad game 1. Like a step behind.
He came out with something to prove tonight. He was a rock in his own zone and was willing his way to keep pucks alive in the offensive zone. There were a couple plays he was the first guy in on the forecheck haha. Kopitars best playoff game in 3 years.
Danault was perfect in his own zone.
They did what they had to do after a couple days of feeling some heat.
DryIslandBartender
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