Fire Knoblauch

[Bumblebee Man]

Yes, I'm actually agreed. Because regular season is much of nothng. You want your star players to have an opportunity to produce have some fun, To me its a bit off to play your top players with Arvid or Pods in regular season and If you've been following me I would not even have Arvid on the team period. Keep your stars happy in regular season making some noise.

Its only in playoffs that I default to specific line arrangements like having a shutdown line makes sense. Playofs is about winning it all, the ultimate everything. Regular season is only about punching ticket.

So what you see as double standard isn't necessarily the case. Its just that throug an 82 game slog give the paying fans and TV audience what they want, production, seeing stars shine etc. The season seems like forever. In the playoffs draw up lines through Strategy.

I've had no complaint about the Pods and Kap wingers for Drai in playoffs. Provided people understand Drai offense is being sacrificed to the greater good of the club winning it all.

Podz and Kap played with Drai this year and weren't considered a shutdown line.

Podz was expected yo win Drai pucks and Kap for speed.

However, today the narrative changed?

What am I missing here? Same players, different description

 

[Drivesaitl]

Podz and Kap played with Drai this year and weren't considered a shutdown line.

Podz was expected yo win Drai pucks and Kap for speed.

However, today the narrative changed?

What am I missing here? Same players, different description

Arvid has NEVER been a shutdown player. He ain't anything at this point.

What your missing essentially is regular season is entertainment. May as well let the stars shine and produce and give them good players further to that.

In playoffs all that matters is winning and putting together lines and schemes to do that.

I'd never have Arvid even on the team. ever. How much more clear can I be?

 

[Stoneman89]

Dont agree. we really loaded up the year we had Pronger. Our defense and goaltending was much better then. Even in early 90s we were pretty good all around in Ranford, Cujo era. Mario\Jagr and co stopped us in early 90s.

This lineup is hardly an improvement over the earlier days with McDrai. (Hall, Ebs, Yak, Klefbom, Talbot , Sekera, Jultz)

It wasn't Mario and Jagr that stopped us in the 90's. We couldn't get past some talented and big-monied Chicago/Dallas etc teams in our own conference.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

Arvid has NEVER been a shutdown player. He ain't anything at this point.

What your missing essentially is regular season is entertainment. May as well let the stars shine and produce and give them good players further to that.

In playoffs all that matters is winning and putting together lines and schemes to do that.

I'd never have Arvid even on the team. ever. How much more clear can I be?

Oh. Can you please show me some pre game 3 posts where you or anybody else was praising not only the Kapanen decision, but also saying he is a great physical player who shuts down teams defensively.

The pregame narrative was he was being brought in for SPEED to BOLSTER the offense. And cuz he has experience ove J Skins.

The by product was a combination of truths. Kappy was way more phydical than anyone expected. The line was good defensively. Eichel line didn't score b/c of some bad luck. They didn't score cuz of some good goaltending.

The line WAS NOT put together to shutdown Vegas That simply became the narrative after it happened, and somehow Knobby is being praised as the master mind

 

[Stoneman89]

Things that are true.

1. Drai has been good defensively all year
2. When Drai is not with McD, Podz has been on his line most of the time
3. Drai plays the best players ALWAYS. When he's on McD's or when not

Now it's hilarious to see fans and media suddenly act like none of this happened before the last few games. Even more so, it's hilarious to see ppl saying this is brilliant coaching by Knob

2 months ago when Drai was saddled to these 4th line wingers it was "what did Drai do to piss Knobby off?"

As of today...it's "what amazing adjustments by Knobby"

Newsflash. It's the playoffs now, not regular season where you can try a dozen different things out and the stakes are not nearly as high.

 

[Stoneman89]

Wrong. When you make changes and win...it's called "adjustments"

When you do and lose...it's called " moronic and desperate "

Let's be real here. It's nothing more than hindsight arguments.

This can be proven by, and i won't name names, a poster on here defended Knob early when he was line juggling and I pointed out it was just that....line juggling. The EXACT same thing ppl on here complained about.
The reply was" but he does it more strategically"

Then during the 2 months of suck, you see the same person blasting Knob for the EXACT same decisions.

It's nothing more than goal post shuffling.

Just like the narrative that Woodcroft didn't make adjustments lolol. Sure he did. We just lost so it became that notion

Not sure why you're so pissy and defensive, with pretty much everyone disagreeing with you. Of course hindsight is the great equalizer, and we have it for both Woodcroft and Knob, and the results clearly show Knob has made many shrewd moves and implemented a system that is working to a T in the playoffs. Woodcroft's decision to keep Skinner in the net 2 years ago, instead of plugging in Pickard to get a reset was a huge reason that series went against us.

 

[Oilhawks]

What an idiotic kneejerk thread.

Thanks, oh wise one.

If context matters to someone like you (never seemed to before, when you personally attack posters at will), this was made after the Oilers limped into the playoffs with the coach going on about a “fragile team”, seemingly out of answers and had two absolutely embarrassing games to start to playoffs, looking like sweep fodder

But spout off!

 

[Drivesaitl]

Oh. Can you please show me some pre game 3 posts where you or anybody else was praising not only the Kapanen decision, but also saying he is a great physical player who shuts down teams defensively.

The pregame narrative was he was being brought in for SPEED to BOLSTER the offense. And cuz he has experience ove J Skins.

The by product was a combination of truths. Kappy was way more phydical than anyone expected. The line was good defensively. Eichel line didn't score b/c of some bad luck. They didn't score cuz of some good goaltending.

The line WAS NOT put together to shutdown Vegas That simply became the narrative after it happened, and somehow Knobby is being praised as the master mind

I actually was. people were posting "Drive will hate this" and Yet I've been a Kapanen supporter all along and I know he can play D and bring speed. For a shutdown line its the right mix of a Selke Center, a very physical board battling winger and a speed out winger. It works. I expected it would. I liked the line. In playoffs I want something that works forward to winning. In regular season I just want entertainment.

KK even says the line was put together and Drai agreed to it further to shutting down Vegas topline. He even says that.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Thanks, oh wise one.

If context matters to someone like you (never seemed to before, when you personally attack posters at will), this was made after the Oilers limped into the playoffs with the coach going on about a “fragile team”, seemingly out of answers and had two absolutely embarrassing games to start to playoffs, looking like sweep fodder

But spout off!

one look at the injuries would tell you all you need to know about the situation.

There was a legit question surrounding the team entering the playoffs because of rust and not playing together for 3 months ,but to suggest firing the coach is just stupid. It makes all oiler fans look like overly dramatic prima donnas. We have no reason to have such a negative outlook on the team.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Thanks, oh wise one.

If context matters to someone like you (never seemed to before, when you personally attack posters at will), this was made after the Oilers limped into the playoffs with the coach going on about a “fragile team”, seemingly out of answers and had two absolutely embarrassing games to start to playoffs, looking like sweep fodder

But spout off!

This is the guy that 25X is saying he's leaving the board its so "toxic" in here.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Not sure why you're so pissy and defensive, with pretty much everyone disagreeing with you. Of course hindsight is the great equalizer, and we have it for both Woodcroft and Knob, and the results clearly show Knob has made many shrewd moves and implemented a system that is working to a T in the playoffs. Woodcroft's decision to keep Skinner in the net 2 years ago, instead of plugging in Pickard to get a reset was a huge reason that series went against us.

Not hindsight either. Woodcroft was never a solid coach to me. Charlatan. Almost to the degree of Eakins. Manson very unfortunately was suffering through his wifes illness and fatality. Good wishes to him but that had to be too much for him to be able to focus. I wouldn't be capable. As many state a good wife is a rock. Mine is.

Woodcroft favored Skinner and VD because they were "his guys" from the AHL. Decisions shouldn't be made on basis of just familiarity.

 

[bellagiobob]

one look at the injuries would tell you all you need to know about the situation.

There was a legit question surrounding the team entering the playoffs because of rust and not playing together for 3 months ,but to suggest firing the coach is just stupid. It makes all oiler fans look like overly dramatic prima donnas. We have no reason to have such a negative outlook on the team.

I am among the biggest KK fans here, but I understand the context of why the OP made the post, he's an extremely passionate fan and it came from a place of frustration, where we've all been at one point or another. We all express things differently, and that's what makes the board interesting. I cut any poster slack that admits they were wrong about something, that's high on my list of what makes a good poster.

 

[Draiskull]

You probably need to break, you're sort of losing it. If you just want the team to lose to satisfy your outrage, then just say that. It makes things simpler.

But seriously, take a break.

Good Knight BB man

 

[Oilhawks]

This is the guy that 25X is saying he's leaving the board its so "toxic" in here.

Yup, also a poster that’s never willing to admit they’re wrong.

I’m gladly eating crow here right now, and admitted as much. I want this to be a bad thread, never hope for the team to fail (unless it’s a tank season I guess)

 

[Oilhawks]

I think some posters are just trolling here.
Not sure why this thread even exists now that we are in final 4 yet again.

Yeah, just trolling, like your bashing of a Rocket, Hart and Art Ross winner for years

 

[Stoneman89]

Yup, also a poster that’s never willing to admit they’re wrong.

I’m gladly eating crow here right now, and admitted as much. I want this to be a bad thread, never hope for the team to fail (unless it’s a tank season I guess)

I'm not getting on your case bud, I've been where you are before.
As Conner McJeezus once said " he who has never made a hasty, or incorrect statement on Hockey Futures Board about a player, GM, coach, or team,, let him cast the first barb!"

 

[Mez]

Knobs mid series adjustments are second to none. Big part of our games 3-7 success.

 

[Satoru Gojo]

It’s odd that no team has taken a shot at Todd Nelson always felt like he was a great coach in waiting

 

[LTIR]

Yeah, just trolling, like your bashing of a Rocket, Hart and Art Ross winner for years

As if the man hasn't improved over the years.
I don't recall starting a thread to bash him. It was mostly in GDTs as he was being lazy for moat of the night only to come out with a point or 2.

 

[Oilhawks]

I'm not getting on your case bud, I've been where you are before.
As Conner McJeezus once said " he who has never made a hasty, or incorrect statement on Hockey Futures Board about a player, GM, coach, or team,, let him cast the first barb!"

It wasn’t directed at you

 

[Oilhawks]

As if the man hasn't improved over the years.
I don't recall starting a thread to bash him. It was mostly in GDTs as he was being lazy for moat of the night only to come out with a point or 2.

It was pretty much every other post, but okay

I’d guess that piling on one of the best players in the league (IIRC you were on this shtick after his Ross & Hart season), is a bit more embarrassing than starting a fire the coach thread for a sophomore coach that had a mediocre season with the roster on paper

Like I said, I’m owning up to it, and even giving Skinner credit for an excellent two games, a lot of posters don’t care to admit they’re wrong

 

[HockeyGuy1964]

Not taking away any of the credit I just gave, but every coach looks a lot better when their goalies start to make some damn saves.

What?
That's quite the theory you got there.

 

[JustNapamIt]

As if the man hasn't improved over the years.
I don't recall starting a thread to bash him. It was mostly in GDTs as he was being lazy for moat of the night only to come out with a point or 2.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

Better than Knoblauch? How do you figure that? Tocchet rode an unsustainable coaching bump to a fluke season, promptly stood by and watched his entire team implode in an embarrassingly spectacular fashion, and immediately took his ball and went home to avoid any fallout before people realized how much he was at fault.

Oilers would be out to lunch to even consider replacing Knob with Tocchet.

I like his authenticity. Knob just put up a clinic against Cassidy, and I still prefer Tocchet because he likely fixes the stuff that drives us crazy. I see Tocchet as a friendly/modern version of torts, he uses the media to achieve the same things, and it raises compete

IMO Vancouver had luck because they competed so hard. Soon the Blues will have "unsustainable luck" under Monty (106 PDO). You make your own luck in hockey imo. PDO is poor attempt to mimic baseball stats like babip.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I like his authenticity. Knob just put up a clinic against Cassidy, and I still prefer Tocchet because he likely fixes the stuff that drives us crazy. I see Tocchet as a friendly/modern version of torts, he uses the media to achieve the same things, and it raises compete

IMO Vancouver had luck because they competed so hard. Soon the Blues will have "unsustainable luck" under Monty (106 PDO). You make your own luck in hockey imo. PDO is poor attempt to mimic baseball stats like babip.

Knob is 10x the coach that Tocchet is.