Player Discussion Fire Dustin Schwartz

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Hopefully they do both lol. Get rid of Dustin so he can GTFO and go back to teaching and get a goalie.

At this point, ANYBODY they try that has been better statistically is not a bad move. You can't get worse than already being at the bottom. lol. Besides Georgev.

So you think. Schwartz calls the shots.

Fine with me, we know what we're getting in Skinner, and he is one of the worst high danger goalies in the NHL.

No goalie coach is going to make this guy move in net, even if Schwartz was great, Skinner doesn't have the athleticism. You might as well ask Henrique to go skate like McDavid, it ain't happening. You either have agility/mobility or you don't.

Just remember that Jack Campbell was Schwartz's recommendation. Think about that when we trade for someone of that ilk.

 

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So you think. Schwartz calls the shots.


Just remember that Jack Campbell was Schwartz's recommendation. Think about that when we trade for someone of that ilk.

OK so quit. Go in the corner and just forfeit the season cuz Schwartz. Go give Calgary or Utah whatever charity case your playoff spot.

If they're planning to play the rest of this season, well then they have to get another goalie. This isn't going to work as is.

Just bring back Talbot at this point. Detroit will probably sell for a 2nd, fine, well worth it to have someone make a goddamn high danger save and he's old enough at this point and has worked with enough different goaltending coaches that he's not going to give much of a crap what Schwartz says (much like Smith didn't).

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

OK so quit. Go in the corner and just forfeit the season cuz Schwartz. Go give Calgary or Utah whatever charity case your playoff spot.

If they're planning to play the rest of this season, well then they have to get another goalie. This isn't going to work as is.

Just bring back Talbot at this point. Detroit will probably sell for a 2nd, fine, well worth it to have someone make a goddamn high danger save and he's old enough at this point and has worked with enough different goaltending coaches that he's not going to give much of a crap what Schwartz says (much like Smith didn't).

Fine, enjoy Georgiev. Schwartz makes the calls on who to acquire. By the way, Talbot wilted under Schwartz's tutelage.

 

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Fine, enjoy Georgiev. Schwartz makes the calls on who to acquire. By the way, Talbot wilted under Schwartz's tutelage.

We don't have a choice, you're basically saying don't even bother trying, well ok, why even bother playing then.

Give a charity case your playoff spot and move the f*** on.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

We don't have a choice, you're basically saying don't even bother trying, well ok, why even bother playing then.

Give a charity case your playoff spot and move the f*** on.

Read the name of the topic, man. What do you think I'm suggesting?

 

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Read the name of the topic, man. What do you think I'm suggesting?

He's not going to be fired this season. So what do you want the rest of the team to do? Quit now?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

He's not going to be fired this season. So what do you want the rest of the team to do? Quit now?

Why not? He's been a failure for a decade now. Even if it's just for optics he doesn't deserve to keep his job. Think back to the biggest criticisms of Talbot and Koskinen: Bad glove hand, lateral movement, first shot goes in. It doesn't matter who you bring in, Schwartz will ensure that they suck. It would also signal that management is actually awake and paying attention.

 

[Soundwave]

Why not? He's been a failure for a decade now. Even if it's just for optics he doesn't deserve to keep his job. Think back to the biggest criticisms of Talbot and Koskinen: Bad glove hand, lateral movement, first shot goes in. It doesn't matter who you bring in, Schwartz will ensure that they suck.

How many goalie coaches are fired mid-season? Talbot was good 3/4 seasons here and outstanding in the 2017 playoffs, better than McDavid in the playoffs.

Koskinen and Skinner just suck. There's a reason no other team was looking at Koskinen in the KHL, looking to the KHL for goalies was always stupid.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

How many goalie coaches are fired mid-season? Talbot was good 3/4 seasons here.

I don't care, if you suck at your job you don't get to keep it. It could be Christmas Day and that still wouldn't preclude him from getting fired for being a terrible goalie coach. Talbot wilted after his strong first year and he was constantly blamed around here for the very things that we roasted Koskinen and now Skinner for.

 

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I don't care, if you suck at your job you don't get to keep it. It could be Christmas Day and that still wouldn't preclude him from getting fired for being a terrible goalie coach. Talbot wilted after his strong first year and he was constantly blamed around here for the very things that we roasted Koskinen and now Skinner for.

15-16: Talbot .917
16-17: Talbot .919
2017 playoffs: .924
17-18: Talbot .908

Those are 3 good years + 1 great playoffs, not just "1 year". That's with a much shittier defensive core too for the most part, only in 16-17 was Klefbom healthy.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

15-16: Talbot .917
16-17: Talbot .919
2017 playoffs: .924
17-18: Talbot .908

Those are 3 good years + 1 great playoffs, not just "1 year".

You really forget how Talbot got progressively worse after 16-17. Shift your gaze over to his ballooning GAA. 3.02 in 17-18. 3.32 in 18-19.

But again, Koskinen came after Talbot and was ruined by Schwartz. Now we have a young goalie trying to blossom and again Schwartz "the goalie master" stands in the way. There is zero reason to keep this guy around. Period.

And remember, he scouts other goalies. Did you love Jack Campbell?

 

[CanadasTeam99]

OK so quit. Go in the corner and just forfeit the season cuz Schwartz. Go give Calgary or Utah whatever charity case your playoff spot.

If they're planning to play the rest of this season, well then they have to get another goalie. This isn't going to work as is.

Just bring back Talbot at this point. Detroit will probably sell for a 2nd, fine, well worth it to have someone make a goddamn high danger save and he's old enough at this point and has worked with enough different goaltending coaches that he's not going to give much of a crap what Schwartz says (much like Smith didn't).

Talbot won't come back his wife had a lot of spats with Edmontonions on Twitter lol. I wish he came back. He is playing well.

15-16: Talbot .917
16-17: Talbot .919
2017 playoffs: .924
17-18: Talbot .908

Those are 3 good years + 1 great playoffs, not just "1 year". That's with a much shittier defensive core too for the most part, only in 16-17 was Klefbom healthy.

We can win a cup with those #'s up above. But we are settling with Mr. 880 or whatever his % is

 

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Talbot won't come back his wife had a lot of spats with Edmontonions on Twitter lol. I wish he came back. He is playing well.


We can win a cup with those #'s up above. But we are settling with Mr. 880 or whatever his % is

Well one he doesn't have a choice, he has no trade protection, two that was a long time ago and Talbot and his wife still have a lot of friends on the team.

A few morons on social media shouldn't poison the well for everything.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Well one he doesn't have a choice, he has no trade protection, two that was a long time ago and Talbot and his wife still have a lot of friends on the team.

A few morons on social media shouldn't poison the well for everything.

Talbot was literally laughed out of the playoffs last year and there's a reason the Kings moved on from him.

 

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Talbot was literally laughed out of the playoffs last year and there's a reason the Kings moved on from him.

Kings could've had anyone in net, they weren't beating the Oilers. McDavid and Draisiatl know they have their number, once you concede that to them you are dead meat.

Talbot gives you a chance and is a significant upgrade on Skinner without paying a ton and without a big cap hit.

I mean I'd love to live in a perfect world with the best goalie and the best goalie coach, but as that isn't reality, then the pertinent question is only "is this better than what we have now?".

Is Talbot better than what we have now? Yes. It's not even a question, saying you'd rather be set up on a date with the 72nd best looking woman in a room versus the 6th best (Talbot is 6th best in GSAA, Skinner is 72nd) is stupid.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Kings could've had anyone in net, they weren't beating the Oilers. McDavid and Draisiatl know they have their number, once you concede that to them you are dead meat.

Talbot gives you a chance is a significant upgrade on Skinner without paying a ton and without a big cap hit.

I mean I'd love to live in a perfect world with the best goalie and the best goalie coach, but as that isn't reality, then the pertinent question is only "is this better than what we have now?".

Is Talbot better than what we have now? Yes. It's not even a question, saying you'd rather be set up on a date with the 72nd best looking woman in a room versus the 6th best (Talbot is 6th best in GSAA, Skinner is 72nd) is stupid.

Does he, though? Again, Schwartz already got his mitts on him once and he progressively got worse. Also consider this... If Talbot's that good, why does Detroit give him up? They're not out of the running by any stretch of the imagination.

And again, Schwartz scouting. You're more likely to get David Rittich.

 

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Does he, though? Again, Schwartz already got his mitts on him once and he progressively got worse. Also consider this... If Talbot's that good, why does Detroit give him up? They're not out of the running by any stretch of the imagination.

And again, Schwartz scouting. You're more likely to get David Rittich.

David Riitich is probably better than Stuart Skinner, I would take Riitich. Like what about 72ND in GSAA is not sinking in.

72ND. Out of like 74 ranked goalies, lol.

I will take my chances will almost any one else at this point. If it doesn't work so what.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

David Riitich is probably better than Stuart Skinner, I would take Riitich. Like what about 72ND in GSAA is not sinking in.

72ND. Out of like 74 ranked goalies, lol.

I will take my chances will almost any one else at this point. If it doesn't work so what.

Advanced stats aren't the be all end all of everything. I mean there was that GSAA chart that was posted a few weeks ago that had Bobrovsky barely above Skinner. You know, that goalie that beat us in the Cup Final last year?

 

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Advanced stats aren't the be all end all of everything. I mean there was that GSAA chart that was posted a few weeks ago that had Bobrovsky barely above Skinner. You know, that goalie that beat us in the Cup Final last year?

Which stat would you like?

Save percentage? Where is Skinner in saver pecentage?

Goals against average? Where is he there?

We gonna ignore every single stat?

Bobrovsky was 6th best for GSAA last year, he has stretches where he isn't so great, but has elite top end ability so he can always snap back into form from a rough stretch. Don't kid yourself.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Which stat would you like?

Save percentage? Where is Skinner in saver pecentage?

Goals against average? Where is he there?

We gonna ignore every single stat?

Bobrovsky was 6th best for GSAA last year, he has stretches where he isn't so great, but has elite top end ability so he can always snap back into form from a rough stretch. Don't kid yourself.

Wins are generally the most important stat for a goalie.

But you're still making my argument for me. If Skinner sucks so bad then wouldn't that mean by extension the guy who's teaching him also sucks?

 

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Wins are generally the most important stat for a goalie.

But you're still making my argument for me. If Skinner sucks so bad then wouldn't that mean by extension the guy who's teaching him also sucks?

Schwartz sucks, if you want a debate on that you're not going to get one. How many goalie coaches get fired in season? Almost none.

It's not happening. As such, we have two other options. Either quit on the season or find someone who isn't 72nd in GSAA.

Don't tell me Skinner doesn't care about his stats, you can even see from HIM he knows full well he is blowing a rich contract extension that fatty cakes probably thought he had locked up after his playoffs last year. Now he sees it evaporating in front of his eyes, that's why he's snapping at teammates. So predictable.

He knows what his save percentage is, he probably even knows his GSAA. He knows he's not gonna get paid with these kinds of shit numbers.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Schwartz sucks, if you want a debate on that go elsewhere. How many goalie coaches get fired in season? Almost none.

It's not happening. As such, we have two other options. Either quit on the season or find someone who isn't 72nd in GSAA.

Don't tell me Skinner doesn't care about his stats, you can even see from HIM he knows full well he is blowing a rich contract extension that fatty cakes probably thought he had locked up after his playoffs last year. Now he sees it evaporating in front of his eyes, that's why he's snapping at teammates. So predictable.

So basically we're f***ed is what you're saying. So what's the point of spending assets to get a better goalie if Schwartz is going to ruin them anyway?

 

[MoontoScott]

I'm pretty sure that the Oilers will not be extending Skinner's contract after it expires next season so the hunt is probably already on for a replacement in the 2026-27 season.

The question--even if you can land a significantly higher quality goaltender (not necessarily elite), how do you fit him under the cap given the new Mc-David contract that comes into effect that year?

It will be a challenge. It looks like the new salary "norm" for the "better" goaltenders is going to be 8M+ within 2 years.

 

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So basically we're f***ed is what you're saying. So what's the point of spending assets to get a better goalie if Schwartz is going to ruin them anyway?

What you're saying is basically quit on the season if they don't fire the goalie coach. It isn't gonna happen.

Trading for a goalie is at least a possibility and the bar for being better than 72nd worst in the league for GSAA is very low.

 

[VeteranPresence]

I do agree that the quickest and most realistic fix is acquiring another goalie who hasn't been stained by this loser's tutelage, but it still makes a person think: why now, through yet another set of fresh eyes in the GM role, is Schwartz yet again being kept around? Someone in the org has to be protecting him because he's friends/family/etc.

Until we fix that we're probably never winning a Cup, sad to say.