The problem with the Nash trade is it only made sense if he was being added to Gaborik, not instead of. Exchanging one for another left the Rangers' offense in the same place it was during the 11-12 season. Sather either got the cap math wrong or more likely thought that Nash is a major upgrade over the 11-12 version of Gaborik. Capable of carrying this team to a Cup as its sole huge offensive weapon. Wrong as usual.
Fire AV, Fire Sather. This is a bad hockey team.
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The problem with the Nash trade is it only made sense if he was being added to Gaborik, not instead of. Exchanging one for another left the Rangers' offense in the same place it was during the 11-12 season. Sather either got the cap math wrong or more likely thought that Nash is a major upgrade over the 11-12 version of Gaborik. Capable of carrying this team to a Cup as its sole huge offensive weapon. Wrong as usual.
Fanned On It
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Woof... glad I didn't watch this one last night boys.. things are not pretty right now.
That said, I don't really think it's fair to get on AV's case yet. My belief is as it has been that the onus is on the players to show that they know how to play hockey. I don't care what kind of system the coach wants you to play... it's still on the players to either implement that system or do their own thing cohesively as a unit. It's hockey. It's a sport they've been playing since they were in the single-digits age-wise. Hockey is hockey and when it comes to pros they know what they should be doing to win. Our line-up just isn't that skilled and this is what happens when our "great" defense and (proven) world-class goal-tender falter.
That said, I don't really think it's fair to get on AV's case yet. My belief is as it has been that the onus is on the players to show that they know how to play hockey. I don't care what kind of system the coach wants you to play... it's still on the players to either implement that system or do their own thing cohesively as a unit. It's hockey. It's a sport they've been playing since they were in the single-digits age-wise. Hockey is hockey and when it comes to pros they know what they should be doing to win. Our line-up just isn't that skilled and this is what happens when our "great" defense and (proven) world-class goal-tender falter.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
Look I'm not calling for anyone's head (yet - other than Sather who should have been fired 5 years ago) but losing the way they have and looking as bad as they have is "that bad". Absolute disgrace. Mental just as much if not more so than physical.
Blue Blooded
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There is very little that makes sense in how that drop has occurred, but it is definitely the cause of these lopsided scores.
When your 5v5 close FF% is below 45% you're going to get your ass handed to you on a nightly basis, ours is below 40%.
silverfish
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This board is too funny.
When things are going well in the off-season:
"You can really see Jeff Gorton starting to take the reigns in the front office!"
When thins are going poorly during the season:
"Fire Sather! rabble, rabble, rabble"
Can't have it both ways, fellas.
Still not extremely worried yet. New system. New coach. A lot of new faces. Nine game road trip to start the season not including how long we were on the road during the preseason. Haven't had a full top-6 in the lineup yet.
If they're still this bad in late November, I'm down for the fail train. But I'm gonna give it a little more time.
When things are going well in the off-season:
"You can really see Jeff Gorton starting to take the reigns in the front office!"
When thins are going poorly during the season:
"Fire Sather! rabble, rabble, rabble"
Can't have it both ways, fellas.
Still not extremely worried yet. New system. New coach. A lot of new faces. Nine game road trip to start the season not including how long we were on the road during the preseason. Haven't had a full top-6 in the lineup yet.
If they're still this bad in late November, I'm down for the fail train. But I'm gonna give it a little more time.
hpNYR
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People realize that '11-'12 was like a perfect storm for this team right? They overachieved big time and only made it to the ECF.
Everyone acts like they actually ****ing won something.
You can have it whatever way you want when your head is firmly planted in your ass. Which as we know is pretty common around here.
Everyone acts like they actually ****ing won something.
You can have it whatever way you want when your head is firmly planted in your ass. Which as we know is pretty common around here.
I'm looking at it like this.. We thought a strength would be the top 6 D... And ALL of them have been brutal so far.. Its been a long preseason and road trip so far so HOPEFULLY they are just home sick. Not going to judge this team until they get a few home games under their belt.
Ail
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silverfish
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There's a lot more truth to this than I'd like to admit. A small part of me was disgusted when we traded away a lot of our own homegrown depth for guys like Nash, Brassard, Dorsett, etc. To be honest, I don't see any of those guys as major upgrades over the guys they replaced. It was a marginal upgrade at best.
What upsets me most is that Sather spent YEARS rebuilding this team and now most of it was traded away. Mark my words. It will take years for this team to get back to where it was.
agreed. maybe he took Cally's heart because he has been brutal... yea he is coming back from an injury, but this captain isnt really setting a good example if this team comes out 2 games flat
does he even talk in the locker room?Wait....is it true Asham took the other guys helmet off and his as well?
This team has reached a whole new level of stupidity.
My dad woke up to see me off before I go to work this morning just to say he finally agrees that they are the New York Pejorative Slurs.
This team has reached a whole new level of stupidity.
My dad woke up to see me off before I go to work this morning just to say he finally agrees that they are the New York Pejorative Slurs.
No, just that the guys we replaced them with are basically lateral moves, IMO. And all things being equal, I'd rather have the homegrown player 9 times out of 10.
What we have now is Sather throwing random ingredients in a pot hoping it becomes soup.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
No. They're not extraordinary players. They are, however, pieces the GM never bothered to replace.
Two ****ing players were traded. Everyone is still here.
Gaborik was a free agent signing. He didn't get along with Tortorella. Gaborik could have rejected the trade to Columbus. He wanted to get away from Tortorella and accepted the trade.
Paulie Walnutz
HFNYR JUST AS SOFT AS NYR
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What pieces? This team offensively is a joke, filled with 3rd and 4th liners. And it's sad our great prospects couldn't even beat them out for a roster spot. Now that the style of play is less conservative you see our overrated defense getting exposed. I've seen things that if it was a pee wee game I'd be upset. Don't worry it's only pre season!
Everyone knows it is good to have homegrown talent, but you can't have a monkey doing the drafting.
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