GDT: Finland vs. USA | 13 February 2025 | 8:00

USA makes no sense to me. on paper they have a top 2 roster in the entire 2000's (today I'd argue the best paper roster) and not one senior medal anywhere. The fact the Czechs have more senior golds in this span is crazy to me because we've been trash for most of the 2000's.

The bronze argument is true.. Czechs and Finns go like hell in those Bronze games while Canada/US tend to let off the gas a little.

Swedes in elimination games at the World Jrs is another mystery to me as I love those teams and rosters yet they always come up short.

We've actually only ever won a single bronze medal at the Olympics (1936), and that was in a format where the medal table was determined by a group stage instead of knockout games. We came 3rd in the final group, hence the bronze medal. I looked around briefly to see if there was a compilation of bronze medal game results at the World Championships, but gave up after about 30 seconds, admittedly. :laugh:
 
We've actually only ever won a single bronze medal at the Olympics (1936), and that was in a format where the medal table was determined by a group stage instead of knockout games. We came 3rd in the final group, hence the bronze medal. I looked around briefly to see if there was a compilation of bronze medal game results at the World Championships, but gave up after about 30 seconds, admittedly. :laugh:
I think the US have 2 Silvers in the best on best Olympics from 1998 to 2014?
 
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USA makes no sense to me. on paper they have a top 2 roster in the entire 2000's (today I'd argue the best paper roster) and not one senior medal anywhere. The fact the Czechs have more senior golds in this span is crazy to me because we've been trash for most of the 2000's.

The bronze argument is true.. Czechs and Finns go like hell in those Bronze games while Canada/US tend to let off the gas a little.

Swedes in elimination games at the World Jrs is another mystery to me as I love those teams and rosters yet they always come up short.
We were just way too weak at center in the 2000s. Up until Eichel, Matthews, and Hughes, we really didn't have any truly of elite talent down the middle.

Between 1990 and 2010, there were a grand total of 2 American centers drafted in the top 5 of their drafts - Legwand (2nd) and Connolly (5th). That's almost unbelievable.

Canadians had 23 in that same span, with 6 1st overall and 4 2nd overall centers picked.
 
USA makes no sense to me. on paper they have a top 2 roster in the entire 2000's (today I'd argue the best paper roster) and not one senior medal anywhere. The fact the Czechs have more senior golds in this span is crazy to me because we've been trash for most of the 2000's.

The bronze argument is true.. Czechs and Finns go like hell in those Bronze games while Canada/US tend to let off the gas a little.
Well this iteration of players have never gotten a chance at best on best. I think the 2016 team even was only for like players born before 1990 or earlier? That entire generation of players has almost entirely passed through now (exceptions like Crosby and Ovechkin going strong). The last two Best on Best Olympics back in 2010 and 2014, they went to OT with Canada in the Final on their home ice, and then won their group and got drawn with Canada in the Semi and lost a close one at 1-0, and Canada certainly had clearly better rosters on paper. I think even the most critical would say the gap in terms of overall player quality (and certainly quantifiable metrics like proportion of NHLers) is less now than it was then.

So we'll have to see this year and next if this is the group that can change the tide. Based on their ages, it certainly was the ones to do at the Junior level whereas the previous groups looked much like the senior results. So if that can carryover with hopefully more recurring Senior-level best on best, or at least close to it, competition that would be good.

Now the World Championships, can say what you will about lack of buy-in and such which is all true. You'd still expect them to fluke out one or two by now. But for whatever reason, the semifinals in particular is some big mental roadblock regardless of the team they bring.
 
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Definitely have the potential to challenge the 1996 iteration.
Wish we had a crease-clearing D and a Kesler type C, but that’s just being nitpicky. Regardless of the talent, US will need to play with structure and tenacity to have a chance. Lot of the skill guys aren’t known for their physicality and defensive play. Cant just be the Tkachuks playing the body and 10 other Fs playing pond hockey
 
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a Kesler type C
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Well this iteration of players have never gotten a chance at best on best. I think the 2016 team even was only for like players born before 1990 or earlier? That entire generation of players has almost entirely passed through now (exceptions like Crosby and Ovechkin going strong). The last two Best on Best Olympics back in 2010 and 2014, they went to OT with Canada in the Final on their home ice, and then won their group and got drawn with Canada in the Semi and lost a close one at 1-0, and Canada certainly had clearly better rosters on paper. I think even the most critical would say the gap in terms of overall player quality (and certainly quantifiable metrics like proportion of NHLers) is less now than it was then.

So we'll have to see this year and next if this is the group that can change the tide. Based on their ages, it certainly was the ones to do at the Junior level whereas the previous groups looked much like the senior results. So if that can carryover with hopefully more recurring Senior-level best on best, or at least close to it, competition that would be good.

Now the World Championships, can say what you will about lack of buy-in and such which is all true. You'd still expect them to fluke out one or two by now. But for whatever reason, the semifinals in particular is some big mental roadblock regardless of the team they bring.
On paper, the US have sent some exceptional rosters to the World's. The covid years were low (and they sitll went far) but the pre covid and most recent rosters were deep (for the World's standards).

You'd think 1 gold in the next 2 tourneys is reasonable.
 
I think the 2016 team even was only for like players born before 1990 or earlier?

The 2016 World Cup crippled the US roster, which was a surprising decision for the NHL. (It's also why I don't give the tournament a lot of time as far as historical significance)

Canada had enough depth at that time to weather losing guys to the TNA Young Guns team, but the US didn't.

Among the US players on that team:
-Jack Eichel
-Auston Matthews
-Dylan Larkin
-Johnny Gaudreau
-Connor Hellebuyck
-Seth Jones
-JT Miller

Meanwhile, the top guys on Team USA were guys like:
-Ryan Kesler
-Joe Pavelski
-Derek Stepan
-John Carlson
-Zach Parise
-James van Riemsdyk

Obviously some of the young guys still had more maturing to do, but as far as pure skill, my God is that a lot being left off the roster.

They may not have been in their ideal competitive window at that time (which they appear to be now), but they might have made a better showing of it.
 
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